What happened to entry level jobs? Observations from a lazy, idiot bum.

reply to post by oblvion


Dang it. I starred you to quickly. I was all with you on the immigration rant. Then I read the blanket statement you made about LEO's.

How you can equate the lack of quality jobs to law enforcement is a stretch.

Is there a star removal feature.

reply to post by onequestion


I finally got into art school but now it's mostly computer programs, they are rough when you aren't that liturate in the 1st place I am an epic conceptualist but I have yet to try it as a pro,after I get MY portfolio it's off to the races and I will move to the job. I can also freelance which is where my particular "carreer" choice runs.


It seems to me you should hit the navy with cyberwarfare specialty what ever THEY call it.Education is BEST in the navy.
I wanted to fight so I was combat arms in the Army.Don't do that unless you are a fighter,there isn't a long carreeer to be found and liberals/hippies will always hate you.

I am a ex navy electricians mate.(6years)
I worked for years as a electrician mostly industrial.(non union)

Then the state of calif put in a licensing law requiring all electricians to have a state license.

You had to show you had 6000 hours of on the job training just to take the state test.
all the union guys had to do was get a notarized copy of there hours from the union hall.

The non union guys had to hunt down old employers and notarized copy of there hours.

For me most of my old employers had gone out of business or had put there old employee records in storage and did not want to dig them out..

Also my navy time as a electrician did not count and the state did not accept military training.

During the time i was trying to get this done i became disabled so i now get payed by the taxpayers.

I now do RV electrical work under the table part time plus RV solar and RV generator repair.

now there are few companies that will give on the job training.
they want people to pay for there own training and them that still does not give anyone a job.

jobs to stay away from are any jobs that can be done overseas.

job that you have a chance for are ones they can not export.

mechanic
gun smith
ECT ECT.

onequestion
reply to post by MysticPearl

 

I laughed out loud when i read your response. It was hilarious.

Good thing this thread isnt an application where you hire huh? Its just a thread on a forum on the internet.

It wasn't so much directed at you as much as it was towards the younger, texting generation. I've seen a number of younger people write at work as if they're texting their buds. I see it all over social media, forums, blogs, etc, to the point I wonder if this younger generation even understands proper English.

I think they just don't care how they come across. Well, you can't not care how you come across, then later complain you're unemployable. It's like getting a neck tattoo, then complaining when you can't find a job.

Seems many of the older posters here and posters who are well written, do their best to come across well. They care. So there's a breakdown with this up and coming generation. Either they flat out don't understand proper English and communication, or don't care about proper English and communication, nor how they comes across. Either way, it doesn't help when looking for a job and the next guy does care.

I do my best to use proper English, whether in a text, an email, a note to a colleague or a post on a forum. Many people I know feel the same. If others can't be bothered to do the same, I consider that a negative personality trait and wouldn't hire that individual. If someone doesn't care how they come across and uses internet anonymity as an excuse, why would I assume they care how they comes across at other times? There's absolutely nothing stopping people from using proper English in texts, on forums, wherever, aside from laziness or not being educated enough.

My wife speaks four languages. English is her fourth language and she speaks and writes completely fluently and with proper spelling/grammar. If she can, I have little tolerance for those born and raised in America who can't do the same.

Another thing you may have to be prepared to do in this job market is pay your dues to get your foot in the door into something bigger and better.

I managed to get on with my current position just before the bottom fell out in '08, and I've been stuck working part-time ever since. I just now, today got my break with an offer for a promotion to full-time.

That's five long years of dues.

reply to post by MysticPearl


I will quibble with you somewhat. I spent some time working with kids who had learning disabilities before my current job. There are some things that impact a person's ability to write well, both in terms of spelling and in terms of grammar, that are more or less beyond their control.

However, those things usually leave a fairly distinctive pattern in terms of types of mistakes made, sort of like you can tell when you are dealing with someone who is ESL because of the errors they make.

There are a lot of people who just plain have no excuse because they never learned.

Eh, I excelled at math/sciences, but the first time I felt like an idiot was in a spelling contest. I was one of the first out. The English language always seemed bizarre to me, and it's the only one I know! I always thought the rules were ridiculous, and there were far too many exceptions that made me not really want to learn it. I passed english each year, but would quickly unlearn all the rules. I'd have to relearn them each successive year because... my mind just won't store that which seems illogical.

So I kept to this routine for years, finally learning that certain minds were rather pedantic, and grammer nazis... just cause. So I decided that in order for some of my ideas to be heard, I'd have to learn to type up to some people's standards. I still have a funky way of processing information, especially language. Left-hander here.

What I know for sure is that some of the brightest minds think simliar to me, and see it as silly to be uptight with language. They often write like I do...very, very sloppy, misspell, and don't much care to correct. It's just not an important thing to be spending time with.

I know there are bright minds out there who really care about these kinda things. Just differences in how we process information, it seems. I'm often said to be a bit dyslexic. It's actually even more complicated than that. I have different modes of processing, that seem to have their own temperaments, and each one varies in their skill-sets.

reply to post by MysticPearl


I get what your saying.

I agree and disagree with you.

From my perspective being younger maybe not as young, i'm 28, i can see both sides. Having had grown up on computers and been exposed to them very early i quickly i learned that typing out entire words was useless and time consuming on a network that required messages being sent as fast as possible. Im talking about text based gaming. Its a matter of comfort level.

An older generation may not have had this type of exposure so grammatical errors are more apparent and looked at from a different perspective.

On a resume however a grammatical error should be inexcusable, like you say.

reply to post by webedoomed


I think its a big picture small picture mentality.

You, so far as i can tell a are a big picture thinker so symantics like spelling wouldnt matter to you as long as you understand conceptually the idea being presented.

I am the same way. Being a lefty, we are very non-linear big picture thinking people and tend not to care about symantics.

Do you agree with that?

reply to post by onequestion


Being a gamer, I get it.

However, there are two places for this.

Your short-hand is for gaming. Your long-hand is for professional work. And, you need to keep the two sharply divided.

It's like cussing used to be (well still is honestly). There are some situations where I can cuss and others where I never, ever should. And I need to keep those situations and the language I use in them sharply divided.

reply to post by ketsuko


Right i get that and agree 100%.

It does however come in handy when programming and scripting and macroing, especially when your using aliases and macros/hotkeys to get your job done at work if your working from a computer.

This however would not be something i would want to see in a resume. I feel like reference checking is the most important part, but it seems like thats the last thing employeers really do.

reply to post by onequestion


Oh, never assume they don't.

I got the shock of my life when I was trying for a job some years ago and thought I had it all wrapped up until they called ... one of my references? Yeah, he was deceased. Not that he had been four months previously when I had been checking around before starting to look for work ...

Needless to say, I did not get that job.

TorqueyThePig
reply to post by oblvion

 

Dang it. I starred you to quickly. I was all with you on the immigration rant. Then I read the blanket statement you made about LEO's.

How you can equate the lack of quality jobs to law enforcement is a stretch.

Is there a star removal feature.

edit on 6-2-2014 by TorqueyThePig because: (no reason given)

I was talking about the lack of enforcement of the law in several aspects, yet overdoing it in many others, thought I had made that clear.

If you want to unstar my post you simply click the star again.

This used to be the way on the old system, not sure about the new.

reply to post by onequestion


Yes. It's just very besides the point.

Lauguage is constantly evolving.

Slang becomes definition over time.

It makes no sense to me to speak "properly" as this is but an echo of the past.

On to the next beat.

BTW, hashed 3 ideas out with a programmer tonite. Turns out I can script one of them myself with but a little more homework. Going for it!

If anyone is interested i have a great business idea here in Houston

Money making goldmine

Once i get some capital i will be all over it

Hope i am just not to late by then



If anyone wants to pony up some cash let me know

I need a partners

Looking into all the details now

Onequestion,

I think you mentioned in another thread that you worked with horses. There are a lot of folks with money involved with horses, including women. You also mentioned you had a felony and are a boxer . . . you sound like a edgy dangerous sort. Women like that.

My advice, stay with the horses, build up a "career" in that field with an eye towards marrying wealthy . . . preferably the rebellious daughter of some loud mouthed jerk who runs around saying only lazy people don't have jobs.

Go forth and prostitute thyself young man!

reply to post by TheConspiracyPages


Good point

One of the jobsite guys i knew moved here from Mexico

Worked for a homebuilder that's was the most annoying lady you ever met

Had him doing all kinds of bs

I can still hear her yelling everytime she messed up and need him to fix it

" Geooooorrrrge!"

Well one home owner who's house he was working on kept asking him to come fix little things

Now he is married to a doctor

And told that lady who kept yelling

"I quit!"

Good on him

Now that's the American dream

reply to post by TheConspiracyPages


LOL.

I wish i was that shallow. I am somewhat edgey but not in a violent manner. Its funny how it works with pro fighters, most of the time we aren't violent outside of training. But i hear you... maybe you never know.

reply to post by webedoomed


I got a 13, going on 63 yr. old boy(son), in the living room right now, just as you described! Adults forget they are talking to a child, when he is around. Thankfully, he not only speaks proper English, but he WILL correct you if your wrong! I had to tell the boy to dumb himself down a bit, when around his friends, before entering 5th grade, cause I noticed a rift starting with good friends he has had since pre k...he is in 7th now, & happy as a clam....lol....I think he might be a member here actually. I showed him the thread on Bill Nye & the debate last night, he already watched the entire thing & told me all about it...sorry, off topic again.....The OP makes such good threads, I can't help but jump in. As far as electrical work, I thought electricians were payed really well? Never thought about there not being enough work to go around....Things just keep getting worse, it seems....

reply to post by Another_Nut


Hey if it works out and you need to hire you know who to call!