DNA analysis of Paracas skulls found to be human-like creature.

reply to post by skuly


Interesting find.

I think our true history is much stranger than we yet realize. There is a history before the history that we are aware of. Some will automatically scream 'Aliens' but I suspect we may be dealing with another possibly forgotten ancient hominid line from here on Terra Firma. I for one will maintain an open mind and keep investigating...

Only time will tell eh?


As Always, Stay tuned

reply to post by Blue Shift


Maybe we have a different opinion on what scientific mainstream authorities do, we are not discussing aliens or multidimensional beings from the fringes of our imagination, we are discussing strange artifacts and evidence that challenges the mainstream interpretation of historical records, yes its this argument again.

Many have found artifacts that prove that humanity was here before the suggested periods, and many of those archaeologists, sociologists and historians have been ridiculed or simply filed away by the respectable opinions of "experts" that don't leave the cozy confines of the lab.

I have done my homework, there are many examples of ignored evidence, no one can even know all there is, unless of course you know everything?

TheOneEyedProphet
I have done my homework, there are many examples of ignored evidence, no one can even know all there is, unless of course you know everything?

There are probably a lot more examples, however, of somebody doing their scientific job, discovering something new, having it confirmed by a group of their peers, and the history or chemistry or physics books being changed as a result. It's hard to know exactly how many examples of this there are, because nobody keeps track of the times dog bites man.

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I´m sure there are!, but the same can be applied in the opposite sense, there are always two sides to the same story, I found this very informative, just sharing man! Smithsonian Cover Ups

The day will come, when knowledge will be shared, and instead of dividing it will unite!

cheers!

Something emerge from the fogs of Time. Finally....
Very interesting. S&F.

I love it when something new comes to light! This is a great article!

Unfortunately, if main stream scientists can't make it fit their puzzle, they will do everything they can to discredit it.

S&F

Lloyde Pye and Brien Foerster?

I'd say the Provenance at the very least is questionable.

Thus, we have a zero-find here.
It's a waste of time.

The tests need be re-done, with proper supervision of and observation to Provenance with legitimate accredited names in Science attached to the studies that actually stand to lose something.

When characters with no real academic credibility to lose go maniacally waving around some shiny new "discovery", it really means a whole lot of ZERO until actual, legitimate accredited folks can give it a proper go.

It's shoddy work like this that poisons legitimate interest in these topics for fear of ridicule by association.
If the clown car would stop trolling around the block, then, given some safe distance and time from the circus, some legitimate names might be willing to give it a poke.

These folks, however, poison the whole subject by association.
Once they go away, die, and stop fogging up the air with their spookiness, someone with a name and reputation might be willing to put up a stake in doing some actual research.

reply to post by mindseye1609


I've worked with intel specialists while in the USN & there's no conspiracy there. Pensacola, FL, is where all branches go for their military intel training, electronic warfare, cryptology, etc.

reply to post by AliceBleachWhite


Brian didn't do any (serious) research himself, he only shows stuff and helped collecting some dna samples.

The samples were sent to the late Lloyd Pye, founder of the Starchild Project, who delivered the samples to a geneticist in Texas for DNA testing.

Ok no name of this geneticist but it's not that Brian Or Pye did DNA testing themself.

reply to post by skuly


Anytime the end of an article ends in:

Foester has not yet released the full details of the DNA analysis. We will update when more details emerge.

This guy has been claiming DNA tests are underway on these skulls since 2012. It doesn't take 2 years to complete DNA testing.

He gives no information on the lab performing the tests or who is in charge of them. This typically indicates he probably already has the results, possibly for some time, and is picking and choosing what he wants to disclose. More than likely only information that is in line with his theories. This is what we in the science business like to call a fraud.

I believe man has been here much longer than we currently believe. I believe we very well may have killed ourselves off a few times...but I don't believe this guy at all.

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What exactly came to light in this article? It clearly says he didn't release the DNA analysis. It also doesn't show any provenance. This is the same thing being regurgitated from 2012.

reply to post by SLAYER69


I am with you. However my open mind ends when a source loses credibility.

For example, I was drawn into ancient civilizations by Lloyd Pye. I began researching his sources and found that they were frauds and liars, so now I had to disregard Pye even though I like him and his presentations. Then I started to notice issues with him as well, mainly the secretiveness he held around the starchild projects, never fully releasing DNA analysis. It began to reek of a desperation to prove something even though the evidence wasn't there. So I thank Pye for getting me on this train, but I can't accept anything he said that was based on works by the likes of Sitchin and Von Daniken.

I would say Foester is similar to Pye. And now he is starting to show the tell-tale signs of someone distorting the truth for self preservation.

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Brian didn't do any (serious) research himself, he only shows stuff and helped collecting some dna samples.

The samples were sent to the late Lloyd Pye, founder of the Starchild Project, who delivered the samples to a geneticist in Texas for DNA testing.

Ok no name of this geneticist but it's not that Brian Or Pye did DNA testing themself.

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What part of Integrity of Provenance is difficult to understand?

WHO obtained the samples?
Right.

For all we know they could of stuck a Howler monkey, a chihuahua dog, iguana, and a poison dart frog in a blender, fapped some human DNA into the mix, and sent a sample of THAT.

Questionable Provenance, at the least, as well as procedural methodology.

Samples need be collected under the supervision, of Legitimate Accredited Names, BY Legitimate Accredited Names or their doctoral candidates.
The entire process from DNA extraction, to final interpretation of lab results requires Legitimate Accredited Names attached.

The moment any fringer circus clowns start popping up, especially if there's any opportunity for them to contaminate anything, if only by association, the legitimacy of the whole thing falls to question.

Legitimate Scientists wouldn't knowingly accept money from these fringers due the association such clowns could cause in risking a tarnish on credibility.

These fringers are radioactive, in that respect, and until they get far far far away from whatever they're trying to push, no one is going to give them legitimacy and risk poisoning their career and reputation by association.

I'm reminded of the saying "You know when someone is on to something big by how viciously it is attacked." If so, then this certainly could be grand, but will wait for the results to be released before making any judgements.

As for grand discoveries, often in science it is the so-calked maverick or wacko that makes the truly paradigm-shifting discoveries because there is nothing to lose - no cozy pension or University position or staid and stagnant approach to stifle a truly ground breaking way of thinking, viewing, or doing. There are certainly enough incredible contributions from what the mainstream reputable "authorities" of the day would have readily termed "quacks" that progressed science leaps and bounds over the tenured name callers that to automatically discount something from someone lacking a title or academic credentials is short sighted at best.

It's always good to be wary of snake oil salesman, certainly. But given the way that science is wielded by many - but thankfully not all - as the end all belief system little different from a religion, instead of observable, reproducible data that can be expanded, clarified, or outright overturned with any new revolutionary discovery made by anyone, discounting out of hand for any reason other than what the facts - not yet released in this case - reveal is as faulty as believing something simply because it agrees with your own belief system.

I look forward to the study results! In the meantime, the phenotypic traits are intriguing in their own right!

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Again, there aren't going to be any results published. They started this is 2012 and if there were serious game changing results they would have been fully published by now.

reply to post by TheOneEyedProphet


That is probably one of the most ignorant statements concerning the scientific process I have ever read. Scientists on an individual level aren't part of some big conspiracy. If one can prove, and I mean really prove, something that goes against the main stream you can bet your ass they are going try to get famous proving it.

A good example of this is my field of climate science. There are tons of legitimate scientists trying to prove the various causes of climate change. Their papers get published and are impossible to discredit. The issue comes from the media and government, not from scientists. The media wants to control the thought process and conversation regarding climate change, mainly due to pressure from outside (possibly government) forces.

So you can blame the media and government all you want, but blaming scientists or labs? Really? You have no understanding of the scientific mind.

AliceBleachWhite

if only by association, the legitimacy of the whole thing falls to question.

Legitimate Scientists wouldn't knowingly accept money from these fringers due the association such clowns could cause in risking a tarnish on credibility.

These fringers are radioactive, in that respect, and until they get far far far away from whatever they're trying to push, no one is going to give them legitimacy and risk poisoning their career and reputation by association.

You make valid points, but also pose the greatest question of all, what if something really far out is found, and no "credible" white coats are willing to look into it because of the things you mention?
Who will risk their "reputation" to go beyond whats deemed as appropriate?
Museum vaults in the western world are filled with stuff no one is willing to take seriously because of ridicule, what if?
What if?
who will do it? sadly the "fringers" are willing but then, who takes note, because they don't have any respectable friends in the right places?

reply to post by raymundoko


Believe me I do, and do not speak lightly about it, I never mentioned a widespread conspiracy, but then after all this IS a conspiracy site, but back on topic, science as a profession is a tricky business, unless someone has a lot of money or gives the lecture tours a spin every year and has amassed a bit of wealth can do independent research, unless of course you happen to work on a big research firm or the like, and get paid, but most of the time as a scientist you get paid to do certain research that will be profitable in the long run, sadly most of the time independents cant afford to use expensive lab equipment or go into the field for the lack of funds, and the ones that do and are not associated with big names are labeled "fringers"

Now dont get me wrong, the ideals of scientific advancement indeed hold the key to our future and development as a species, but sometimes, some, not all, just uphold certain ideal , interests and worldviews that are in accord to whomever pays the bills.

reply to post by skuly


In other discussions, they said that head-binding wasn't physically possible. The brain's growth forces the skull to enlarge. If the skull is constrained in any way, then the brain would push down into the brain stem and spinal cord, and kill the individual. Encephalitis is caused by the brain building up more fluid than it should and deforming the shape of the skull.

If any individuals did have heads this shape, it must have been genetic.

reply to post by skuly


OP if you have a FB account I suggest you follow Brien. He posts A LOT on this topic and he posts tons of pics of these skulls. He is getting ready to do an interview about this subject. He just posted about an hour or so ago about it. He said he will keep us all posted.

Besides this topic on his FB account I just love what he posts period.

reply to post by SgtHamsandwich


You know, if these were Martian refugees, their dna might not be so different from earthlings; Mars & earth being in the goldilocks zone.

We may not even be able to tell if they are Martians.

We would just say unknown species.

This would account for certain practices where they marry inside the family only because otherwise they MAY not produce offspring.

Who knows if they even could have brute forced hybridization with inundation.