Edward Snowden exposing the NSA from Germany

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Disloyal. He violated his oath. How can you guys believe 'the truth' of anything such a person would say?

What Oath ? The Oath one takes when Integrated into the Federal Goverment System ? An Oath to LIE on Behalf of the Traitors who reside as 5th Columnists within our Democratic Republic , and who Subvert the Very Freedoms our Constitution and Bill of Rights Gaurantee us ? That is Not an Oath , but a Shackle of Serveatude Dude !

So what has changed since Snowden started running his mouth ?

Not a damn thing.

Yeah that's some 'hero'.

Snarl
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Do you read every thread on ATS? Do you read every post in every thread? Have you read every thread ever posted on ATS?

The NSA doesn't have enough people to read everything you or I write ... nor would they care to ... nor are they allowed to. But Google, now Google has access to ALL of your g-mail traffic ... And they are bound by NO constraints. Is that okay with you?

First, they don't read every thing that everyone can post/text/send, they use programs with filters and it search for relvant informations. In a near future, we don't know how NSA or similar program will be used. Maybe we won't be able to set-up an organisation to protest against government because they will intercept every messages or will arrest everyone before the protest start. It's assumptions yes but nothing surprises me in this world.

Second, when we create an account on G-mail we ACCEPT TERMS and we have to live with it. Gmail only see my emails(and I know about cookies etc.). I've never accepted term with the government in that way and they do worse than google IMO.

Thats what I'm affraid, maybe NSA is doing the right thing now but maybe in a couple of years it will get worse for our protection because of the mad terrorist who wants our money and identity!!!

neo96
So what has changed since Snowden started running his mouth ?

Not a damn thing.

Yeah that's some 'hero'.

Yeah, he just woke up a tons of sheep and it's such a good thing. More awakened population = a stronger population.

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What Has Changed is the NSA's " False Face " of Legitimacy as America's Defenders Against Foreign Terrorism . Since the passage of the Patriot Act , the NSA has become a Power unto itself , Above and Beyond Any Law that would hold it in Check . I doubt very Much that was Harry S. Trumans Idea of what the Agency would become one day when he was Pressured into Signing the National Security Act in 1947 .

neo96
So what has changed since Snowden started running his mouth ?

Not a damn thing.

Yeah that's some 'hero'.

Not much really. About as much as Bradley Manning and Assange... not too damned much but get people all paranoid and riled up like we have never been spied on. I mean just cause they finally are aware of it doesnt make it something new known to anyone who cares to actually know. Its funny, but I sure dont read much on ATS about those 2 anymore.. and they were about as big as the second coming for a while on here. Vivant caecitas

I cant believe how easy it is to get such a large percentage of folks dancing like marionettes... its enough to make an evil genius just cackle for joy. Its all Elvis' fault.. with his gyrating hips on the Dorsey Brothers show... damned TV neato pretty propaganda machine!

reply to post by Keradith

Yeah, he just woke up a tons of sheep and it's such a good thing. More awakened population = a stronger population.

There are lot of people who already knew about 'government spying'.

And just how long they have been doing it, and that was long before the cold war.

Snowden was not a 'revelation'.

Zanti Misfit
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What Has Changed is the NSA's " False Face " of Legitimacy as America's Defenders Against Foreign Terrorism . Since the passage of the Patriot Act , the NSA has become a Power unto itself , Above and Beyond Any Law that would hold it in Check . I doubt very Much that was Harry S. Trumans Idea of what the Agency would become one day when he was Pressured into Signing the National Security Act in 1947 .

edit on 3-2-2014 by Zanti Misfit because: (no reason given)

How about since the passage of the FISA in the 70s, and the passage of the Omnibus counter Terrorism act in the 90s.

Going back even further to the cold war, and Echelon. Going back to even the Government knowing what books people checked out of their libraries. Going back even further to when the telephone was 'invented'.

Nothing new, and nothing changed.

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LOL ... Snowed has certainly let us know where his loyalties lie now, hasn't he? ... With national interests commonly known to be opposed to the USA and her allies. And don't tell me allies don't spy on one another. I've personally caught two German citizens in that act myself ... but America had the grace to ensure that didn't make the papers. I guess the playing field is less level now that the USSR has diminished as a threat. Ahh ... how soon we forget, and how alliances are ever changing.

Clandestine fifth column activities can involve acts of sabotage, disinformation, or espionage executed within defense lines by secret sympathizers with an external force.

Fifth Column
From now on, I'll refer to him as LT Snowden.

-Cheers

reply to post by Snarl


Thanks to Mr. Snowden , the Question the People of the United States now want to ask the NSA is , what need is there for Covert Spying into the Personal Lives of American Citizens who in No Way Pose a Threat to National Security be it by their Thoughts or Actions ? Answer , No NEED .

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Snarl
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[...] Look at his platform for this 'interview': Germany.
Germany surely expressed butt-hurt over the fact the USA spies better'n they do.

Seems like you missed the point entirely.
The reason "Germany is butt-hurt" is that we already know from first-hand experience how great total surveillance states work out for a nation.
Feel free to grab a history book and look it up... *SPOILERS*: it doesn't end well for you.
The US reproved us twice in our history for having the Nazi-Gestapo and the Socialist-Stasi (and rightly so), and now they are doing exactly the same themselves.

But what created the bigger stir here is: we learned that the NSA is by no means just protecting US national security, but are guilty of industrial espionage against German firms.
When kids cheat in school we put them in detention. When adults get caught for plagiarism we force them to resign... but when the US does it to their "allies" it's fair play??
Is that the way you want to be seen in the world? The bully who has to cheat because he's too stupid to work for himself?

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The government violated their oath. Screw the crooked bums. Call every last one out of every minute little thing they do. Clean the house because it sure is dirty. You keep giving them rope to hang themselves but cry when people oust them. Time to take the power back. We the people run this #.

LOSTinAMERICA
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The government violated their oath. Screw the crooked bums. Call every last one out of every minute little thing they do. Clean the house because it sure is dirty. You keep giving them rope to hang themselves but cry when people oust them. Time to take the power back. We the people run this #.

You might want to talk to your fellow citizens.. tell them : YOU the people asked for this #. You all BEGGED for security from them there skeery brown terrorists and foreigners of all kinds who take your jerbs. YOU asked for all you get and more to come because you begged for it, allowed it... and promoted those who were gunning for big federal power. YOU the people are STILL asking.. no, BEGGING.... for it. The people screamed for it to be done and voted in those who could accomplish it every time. You dont just have to take on your government run amok.. you need to take on your neighbors, family, and the majority of our weak kneed population.

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The people complaining loudest in this thread realize not that you are talking to them. That the government is acting as an instrument of their will is being lost in their cacophony of howls for clemency.

"Where's my cake?!? What do you mean, "I can't I eat it?!?""

Keradith

This guy is a God.

It never ceases to amaze me how gullible some of you guys are.

A God? So you are worshipping the people you despise? Snowden is still working for the US; it's all just a charade to distract you; it's a psyop.

Snarl
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Do you read every thread on ATS? Do you read every post in every thread? Have you read every thread ever posted on ATS?

The NSA doesn't have enough people to read everything you or I write ... nor would they care to ... nor are they allowed to. But Google, now Google has access to ALL of your g-mail traffic ... And they are bound by NO constraints. Is that okay with you?

Snowden is a traitor. He's guilty of sedition ... and subversion. The guy's done as an American. What happens to him now ain't none of my concern.

I am concerned that a foreign power is gaining sway over the mindset of a good many Americans. This'll teach the government to degrade their citizens ability to think critically.

You're kind of all over the place here. Is he a traitor or is he a foreign agent? Did he release sensitive information or didn't he? One post you say there were no revelations than he is a traitor to us all. Come again?

The issue isn't about the NSA reading ATS posts. Its about them having full access to everyone's private emails including judges and legislators. Mr I weed out moles, tell me, would our benevolent government never black mail a judge or legislator to get what they want?

The more I see Snowden speak, the more I think that he is an agent FOR the nsa and cia.

Watch the part about his history in the cia very carefully. He has obviously been trained for other skills than IT. From what he says, the way he says it, and his general composure, he doesn't seem anything at all like a computer geek. The interests, knowledge and skills he so professionally applies in this interview are much more related to the profile of a secret agent on a mission.

His mission would be to release the spying information to the public in a controlled way and get them accustomed to the loss of their privacy. That would be why the information came out so gradually, and almost on a daily basis. After a while, people get disinterested and pretty much forget about it. Soon enough something else that is more sensational will get their attention and Snowden becomes old news. Meanwhile, the only thing that changes for the nsa is that they don't have to hide what they are doing anymore.

I started a thread about this idea in december:

IS Snowden for real? Hmmmmm...

I hope I am wrong about this...

soulwaxer

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Although that wouldn't surprise, it would mean Russia and the US are in cahoots. But if everyone wins, why not? I was of the mind he was A Russian spy. Russia has made several moves over the past year and also consider the happenings in Ukraine. Russia is gaining influence.

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Excellent questions!!

You're kind of all over the place here.

Admitted. Nothing formal at all about my responses.

Is he a traitor

Unless there's some extravagant plot ... yep.

or is he a foreign agent?

That's a serious charge. You'd need to determine that in court. Probably safe to say so, considering his flight path.

Did he release sensitive information or didn't he?

Not in my opinion. The 'way' the US was acting up to the raid on the Guardian led me to believe he 'might' have had some sensitive info in his possession. Now it's looking more like he had nothin more damaging to release than, say, Bradley Manning.

One post you say there were no revelations than he is a traitor to us all. Come again?

Everyone's opinion will differ slightly here. Mine is based on the combination of his professional and personal actions. To my knowledge, Snowden hasn't released anything that wasn't already public knowledge. It wasn't 'common knowledge' ... Hence the hero worshipping. It's yet to be seen if he has anything truly damaging in his personal possession. The threats he's making, combined with his access, are disconcerting.

The issue isn't about the NSA reading ATS posts. Its about them having full access to everyone's private emails including judges and legislators.

And right HERE we get down to the jiggy. The government (I assume that's the 'them') can't legally have the lead. The 'lead' has to be "provided." That's where corporate steps in. They give the government the leads that the government acts on. It's a very subtle thing in the way that's defined ... Which is why what goes in front of the FISA Court is kept from the public.

Mr I weed out moles, tell me, would our benevolent government never black mail a judge or legislator to get what they want?

Think about what you've asked technically. The straightest answer I can give that question is: I have no specific knowledge of the government (as a whole) making this a common practice. What corrupt individuals are capable of (think Watergate) and the sky's your limit.

How dare Snowden violate his oath....telling us about others violating theirs.

You can't have it both ways.

Yes, the man violated his oath while exposing something more important.

He exposed the Government knowingly and wittingly lying out their a$$.

Why kill the messenger? It was the government that ripped up the Constitution.

What should Snowden have done, give the information to his boss?

The second biggest liar of the year?