Spirituality, seeking and finding God, is all about internalizing a myth.

Spirituality, seeking and finding God, is all about internalizing a myth.

The Bible is a fantastic book. Even with all the harm that we have done to it, its plagiarized pages have still maintained some of their original message for us.

In that sense, of being able to internalize something, literalism is fantastic and I give credit to you right wing Christians, --- nutty as you are, --- who can take the scriptures literally. The problem is that you have forgotten that they are myths and bring a rude message to the non-Christian public. IMO.

That has always been the Gnostic Christian position and that is why Christians murdered Gnostic Christians and burned our scriptures when Constantine bought Christianity. Christians take the evil in the bible and call it good while Gnostic Christians call those issues the evil that they are.

The original Jesus of the bible was a Universalist and in that day, that made him a Gnostic Christian who are automatically Universalists as we, like the Bible’s Jesus, believe that we all have a connection to God from within us. If we are all connected to God then we have no need of a savior.

Catholic means universal and Protestant Christianity and the Catholic Churches are not Universalists and are not therefore Catholic the way Gnostic Christians are Catholic. Gnostic are the true followers of the real Jesus. If it can be said that Jesus is real at all. To me he is just another in the book, Hero of 1000 faces. As writer Joseph Campbell would say.

Literalists tend to dumb themselves down because they do not seek God as they become idol worshipers of Godinabook. They do not read the other traditions that much and do not see how much of them match what Jesus actually taught. Muslims are just as mentally intolerant, in religious terms. All fundamental and literalist are mentally intolerant in religious terms. That is part of the nuttiness of tribalism which is basically what religions are. That is why they are basically evil. They divide instead of uniting.

Jesus Knew that it was all about the interpretation of myths.

I do not have what it takes to teach you anything. You would have to think you had something to learn in the first place and you do not. If you are the usual closed minded idol worshiper, you will not bother to watch the gentleman in this clip who can teach you something. But not seeking God the way Jesus asked you to do, --- is not enough to stop your idol worship of Godinabook.

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It is a pity that so many souls will not experience their Godliness. Even the poor pathetic nutty right wing want to be saved people could have been saved if they would have remembered that finding God means internalizing a myth and not turning to idol worship the way they have.

The Christian part of my Gnostic Christian label says that my first duty is to Christianity and Catholicism as well as Islam and Jewry.

My friends.

If you seek God, remember that all the Gods are myths till you find the God connection within you.

You will not find God if you continue to read your bible literally.

Read the word of Jesus literally that are given to you here though and you will be saved. Even though you do not need saving.

If you find God give him or her my message.

The greatest evil that we allow to persist is the inequality of women.

Admit that women have a Goddess within the same way you have a God within you and for God’s sake, do your duty to your tribe and religion and demand that women be given their rightful equal rights within society. If you do not, then that is proof that your religion has corrupted your morals.

What will save you is to become a Gnostic Christian.

That is direct from Jesus. The Jesus within me.

Regards
DL

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. . . watch the gentleman in this clip who can teach you something.

He has a video about hidden meanings in the Bible.
I doubt that they were hidden by intention, for the then readers, but inadvertently wrote things that we don't understand today because of the lapse in time where a lot of those sayings would have lost currency.
Over time, with archaeological discoveries, we are gradually understanding those things that were understandable enough back in the time when they were written.

If you relate what Jesus said about himself to your own self, then you will truly understand Jesus' message. Jesus never performed miracles or rose from the dead, those are interpolations and fabrications added in later by the pagans to keep us feeling as if we are inferior and worthless because we could never possibly do those things.

Internalize Jesus' words and you will find God, he is within all of us and in no way separate from us.

S&F

The True meanings in the bible are not hidden. They are spoken by someone who has a very sharp double edged sword proceeding from his mouth. There are some things in the bible that can be taken both literally and metaphorically with both interpretations being true. This is the only secret that the bible holds.

A Christian should be wary of Gnostic teachings. In fact, you should be wary of anybody who ever says "My interpretation is the only right interpretation."

jmdewey60
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. . . watch the gentleman in this clip who can teach you something.

He has a video about hidden meanings in the Bible.
I doubt that they were hidden by intention, for the then readers, but inadvertently wrote things that we don't understand today because of the lapse in time where a lot of those sayings would have lost currency.
Over time, with archaeological discoveries, we are gradually understanding those things that were understandable enough back in the time when they were written.

Not quite the topic.

Where does your God live? Within you as Jesus taught or is it out there somewhere?

Regards
DL

3NL1GHT3N3D1
If you relate what Jesus said about himself to your own self, then you will truly understand Jesus' message. Jesus never performed miracles or rose from the dead, those are interpolations and fabrications added in later by the pagans to keep us feeling as if we are inferior and worthless because we could never possibly do those things.

Internalize Jesus' words and you will find God, he is within all of us and in no way separate from us.

S&F

I see the thinking of a potential Gnostic Christian.

Regards
DL

GodIsRelative
The True meanings in the bible are not hidden. They are spoken by someone who has a very sharp double edged sword proceeding from his mouth. There are some things in the bible that can be taken both literally and metaphorically with both interpretations being true. This is the only secret that the bible holds.

A Christian should be wary of Gnostic teachings. In fact, you should be wary of anybody who ever says "My interpretation is the only right interpretation."

Good advice, --- but knowing that we all have a connection to God within us, --- Gnostic Christians know that every interpretation will be a bit different and we tolerate it in respect of the God within the person.

If you check the history and why Christians tried to kill off all the Gnostics and burnt their scriptures, you will see that it was because Christians had become idol worshipers of their bible, and its 4 only gospels. Christians were the ones who would tolerate no variance of thought within all of the various sects that existed at the time.

You are reading your history backwards my friend. You must be Christian.

Regards
DL

3NL1GHT3N3D1
If you relate what Jesus said about himself to your own self, then you will truly understand Jesus' message. Jesus never performed miracles or rose from the dead, those are interpolations and fabrications added in later by the pagans to keep us feeling as if we are inferior and worthless because we could never possibly do those things.

Internalize Jesus' words and you will find God, he is within all of us and in no way separate from us.

S&F

You have committed a serious sin of blasphemy.

You state Jesus never performed any miracles but what is even worse is when you say, Jesus never rose from the dead. This is a part of the Christian gospel.

You were not there! According to the New Testament many people saw Jesus with his apostles after he resurrected from the dead.

Why would you lie about this?

It may be you who is lying. Strange that you have the apostles as witnesses yet your 4 main gospels are full of discrepancies and contradiction on the resurrection.

You might want to catch up with scholarship.

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You look without for Jesus and he tells you to look within. You should not ignore him.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am
It may be you who is lying. Strange that you have the apostles as witnesses yet your 4 main gospels are full of discrepancies and contradiction on the resurrection.

You might want to catch up with scholarship.

www.youtube.com...

You look without for Jesus and he tells you to look within. You should not ignore him.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Regards
DL

You should know the gospels are written as seen through the eyes of four different men. They did not compare notes. lol Lets also not forget when each letter was written and where it was written. Also at the time when this was written many men had slaves who were known scribes. These scribes wrote down the messages as received from their master. There were no copy machines back then! Everything was hand written and was handed down to the next scribe to copy. So many copies were made throughout the Middle East, Asia minor and Northern Africa. At times there were a few scribes who had mistranslated or added or took away words thinking the meaning was better defined. We can see this in some of the prescript texts and partial scripts found throughout the world BUT the message of the gospel of Christ is clear by the these men. What was important to one man was not important enough for another to record.

BUT do not forget the fourth century Codex Sinaiticus that has the entire Old and New Testament inside it and when compared with today's bible...... it is a very close match. So we know over sixteen hundred years the gospel has changed very little and what changes were found had nothing to do with the gospel.

BTW. I am working on my scholar work with the Divinty School of Harvard. Where did you receive your schooling?

Peace

There is no God , no Jesus, there is only this the now.

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You know if I had encountered more Christians or as you say Gnostic Christians that had a message such as yours I think I might have become one. What you are saying resonates as true and I can't explain why nor will I try. I can tell you that it is the other Christians that made it to where I will not be associated with those names. When they hold up their book or try to spread their message it resonates as negativity to all that do not bow to them.

I believe the message that has been recorded from Jesus is wise and worthy of listening to however I think far to many are hung up on the story of Jesus and are deaf to his words.

Oh well I believe the world will continue to get better as long as survival continues to become easier. That may lead to being the end of religion as we know it though. I certainly hope the form of religion you speak of can survive.

Jesuslives4u

Greatest I am
It may be you who is lying. Strange that you have the apostles as witnesses yet your 4 main gospels are full of discrepancies and contradiction on the resurrection.

You might want to catch up with scholarship.

www.youtube.com...

You look without for Jesus and he tells you to look within. You should not ignore him.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Regards
DL

You should know the gospels are written as seen through the eyes of four different men. They did not compare notes. lol Lets also not forget when each letter was written and where it was written. Also at the time when this was written many men had slaves who were known scribes. These scribes wrote down the messages as received from their master. There were no copy machines back then! Everything was hand written and was handed down to the next scribe to copy. So many copies were made throughout the Middle East, Asia minor and Northern Africa. At times there were a few scribes who had mistranslated or added or took away words thinking the meaning was better defined. We can see this in some of the prescript texts and partial scripts found throughout the world BUT the message of the gospel of Christ is clear by the these men. What was important to one man was not important enough for another to record.

BUT do not forget the fourth century Codex Sinaiticus that has the entire Old and New Testament inside it and when compared with today's bible...... it is a very close match. So we know over sixteen hundred years the gospel has changed very little and what changes were found had nothing to do with the gospel.

BTW. I am working on my scholar work with the Divinty School of Harvard. Where did you receive your schooling?

Peace

I appreciate that it was 4 views but their info is so far from each other that any judge would throw them all out is too far different to believe. I don't really put importance on who wrote what because to me it is all myth. It should be for you as well unless apotheosis pushes you to belief in the invisible. Literal reading is to waste the reading as scriptures are myths with messages and literalist do not get the messages.

I am basically self taught but forced my apotheosis years back and became a Gnostic Christian because of it.

Regards
DL



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Grimpachi
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You know if I had encountered more Christians or as you say Gnostic Christians that had a message such as yours I think I might have become one. What you are saying resonates as true and I can't explain why nor will I try. I can tell you that it is the other Christians that made it to where I will not be associated with those names. When they hold up their book or try to spread their message it resonates as negativity to all that do not bow to them.

I believe the message that has been recorded from Jesus is wise and worthy of listening to however I think far to many are hung up on the story of Jesus and are deaf to his words.

Oh well I believe the world will continue to get better as long as survival continues to become easier. That may lead to being the end of religion as we know it though. I certainly hope the form of religion you speak of can survive.

Thanks much. One such post makes up for the hundred from the religious right and literalists who will cuss me out.

If you have a spiritual itch then I urge you to look into Gnostic Christianity just for the best type of morality that I have found. There is no cost. But if you do not have that itch, no problem. The Godhead I know does not have a hell so from MPOV, I will see all in the Godhead.

Regards
DL

There are many truths...but the absolute truth can always be found in the design of life itself...not just through books and certainly not only through books.

All writings have their faults.

Jesus was a humble man who learned from the spirit within...we all can do this.

God never worked through miracles...expecting man in the future to believe, the unbelievable.

There was no reason for Jesus to rise from the dead as it is written...but his spirit lives on, just as the spirit is eternal. He knew this.

The gnostic texts offer different perspectives, but are not fully truth, just as nothing written by man will ever be. God will never allow man to portray all the truth about Thee through one book because that would defeat the purpose of us all seeking on our own path for Thee, through our heart and humble soul.

There is no reason God would leave us a book...when Thee left us the 'design' of Thee's nature in the design of life itself. Seek and you can find it...without books.

Then go and discern all the books, and Thee will guide you through them all...but only after you have sought Thee through your inner soul, completely, having absolute faith, that Thee is there and is within you.

LeoVirgo
There are many truths...but the absolute truth can always be found in the design of life itself...not just through books and certainly not only through books.

All writings have their faults.

Jesus was a humble man who learned from the spirit within...we all can do this.

God never worked through miracles...expecting man in the future to believe, the unbelievable.

There was no reason for Jesus to rise from the dead as it is written...but his spirit lives on, just as the spirit is eternal. He knew this.

The gnostic texts offer different perspectives, but are not fully truth, just as nothing written by man will ever be. God will never allow man to portray all the truth about Thee through one book because that would defeat the purpose of us all seeking on our own path for Thee, through our heart and humble soul.

There is no reason God would leave us a book...when Thee left us the 'design' of Thee's nature in the design of life itself. Seek and you can find it...without books.

Then go and discern all the books, and Thee will guide you through them all...but only after you have sought Thee through your inner soul, completely, having absolute faith, that Thee is there and is within you.

That is Gnostic thinking.

As to Gnostic scriptures, they were never touted as containing truth. They were written as myth and Gnostics read them that way. That was the main reason for the split away from the then Orthodox church that were putting their God in their unchanging and un challengeable book.

Constantine tried to make sure that the Orthodox Church won as he got them to kill the Gnostics and burn their scriptures right after he bought the Church.

Regards
DL