scientist says noah's ark made up

reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

we know that the historical data in the Bible about ancient civilizations is spot on including kings and armies and even generals.

It is hardly spot on because many places that was named in the bible has yet to be found not to mention a lot of stories in the bible are found only in the bible and not in any other source of history.

We know that the bibles descriptions of buildings and gardens (Babylonia) and wars is all correct.

We know those are correct because of sources that came from that area not the bible.

We know the Jewish community is and has always been very good history keepers

They are very good at copying myths from other cultures like the flood which btw came from a Sumerian myth. Not to mention a whole lot of things they claim cannot be proven and can be traced back to the Sumerians and Egyptians.

THe mountains and valleys that we have all align from north to south like crumpling a piece of paper ... showing very good evidence of a major earth crust shift that a major flood could cause

A flood did not cause this but rather Teutonic plates crashing into each other caused this.

but we try and try to prove the flood and Noah were fake

No one has to prove this a person has to prove it really happened.

DNA evidence states that to go back to a possible common female ancestor, humanity must look back at least 160,000 years. Not 6,000 ... not 10,000 ... not 20,000 .... but 160,000. So the generally accepted bible time frame for the flood being 6,000 years ago and it wiping out everyone except one little family is dead wrong.

And if this supposed world wide flood happened 160,000 years ago when we have the possible female in common ancestor, then that was during a time period that humans lived in caves and grunted at each other ... they couldn't read or write or write down math problems or build boats and they couldn't pass down stories about God or floods or anything else. All they did was grunt.

So either way ... 6,000 years ago or 160,000 years ago (or anything in between) ... the flood myth still doesn't work.

As for how people get Noahs Ark supposedly being 6,000 years ago ....
Generally accepted dates of Noahs Ark Myth

Ussher's chronology, one of the most prominent attempts to date events according to the Bible, calculated that Noah would have lived from 2948 until 1998 BCE, with the deluge occurring in 2349 BCE. Calculations based on figures in the Hebrew Bible place the flood in 1656 AM (Anno Mundi); those based on the Greek LXX Bible in 2262 AM; and those based on the Samaritan Pentateuch, in 1308 AM. The Book of Jubilees, by a different calculation, also yields the date 1308 AM for the flood.

Yeah there's a reason why Noah's Ark is a childrens favorite...

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


So you're saying Abraham lived over 10 million years ago? You're really stretching it here. The flood is impossible, it never happened as the bible describes it, facts are facts. Either it is completely made up or extremely embellished.

Genesis 5 is very specific on how long each of Adam's ancestors up to Noah lived. According to Genesis 5 there were 950 years between the creation of Adam and the birth of Noah, this can be verified by yourself if you care to read Genesis 5 and do the math.

Genesis 7 says that Noah was 600 years old when the flood came. The is VERY specific and doesn't leave much wiggle room much less millions of years as you imply. 950 years plus 600 years means there was only 1,550 years from Adam being created to the flood taking place, so your assumption that millions of years could have passed while humans populated the Earth in Genesis 6 is way off, I mean WAY off.

Their is absolutely no way 8 people could have repopulated the Earth to over 7 billion people in ~4,000 years. It's absolutely impossible, you should really consider what you choose to believe before researching the timeline the bible clearly states.

FlyersFan
DNA evidence states that to go back to a possible common female ancestor, humanity must look back at least 160,000 years. Not 6,000 ... not 10,000 ... not 20,000 .... but 160,000. So the generally accepted bible time frame for the flood being 6,000 years ago and it wiping out everyone except one little family is dead wrong.

And if this supposed world wide flood happened 160,000 years ago when we have the possible female in common ancestor, then that was during a time period that humans lived in caves and grunted at each other ... they couldn't read or write or write down math problems or build boats and they couldn't pass down stories about God or floods or anything else. All they did was grunt.

So either way ... 6,000 years ago or 160,000 years ago (or anything in between) ... the flood myth still doesn't work.

As for how people get Noahs Ark supposedly being 6,000 years ago ....
Generally accepted dates of Noahs Ark Myth

Ussher's chronology, one of the most prominent attempts to date events according to the Bible, calculated that Noah would have lived from 2948 until 1998 BCE, with the deluge occurring in 2349 BCE. Calculations based on figures in the Hebrew Bible place the flood in 1656 AM (Anno Mundi); those based on the Greek LXX Bible in 2262 AM; and those based on the Samaritan Pentateuch, in 1308 AM. The Book of Jubilees, by a different calculation, also yields the date 1308 AM for the flood.

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if each kid started having kids between 16 yrs old and 20 (which is highly likely) and each kid only had five kids (which is probably very low) and if each kid lost 1/2 of all his kids to whatever (which is possible but doubtful) then you would be into the billions of people within just 300 years. Do the math. It would only take 13 generations.

UxoriousMagnus
Do the math. It would only take 13 generations.

Dead wrong. I posted the DNA evidence. You have to go back to 160,000 BC to get the correct DNA variety to support the genetic diversity that is on the planet now. YOU do the math ... and read up ... then get back to us.

I was watching an animated kids religious programme the other day (yes i was really bored), and they told the kids that Noah was 500years old when he started making the ark, and it took him 120 years to make it.

So kids....any questions?

CX.

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you're forgetting about war.

FlyersFan

UxoriousMagnus
Do the math. It would only take 13 generations.

Dead wrong. I posted the DNA evidence. You have to go back to 160,000 BC to get the correct DNA variety to support the genetic diversity that is on the planet now. YOU do the math ... and read up ... then get back to us.

not if God influenced it at the tower of Babel as he said he did.....
but in shear numbers.....it doesn't take but 300 years.....you weren't talking about DNA diversity but that there was no way to populate the world with the amount of people we have in that short of time.

I thought all you evolutionists said that all our DNA is so close anyway.....even to our monkeycousins and pignephews

taoistguy
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you're forgetting about war.

not forgetting.....just eliminating war and disease for sake of argument about population growth.

UxoriousMagnus
not if God influenced it at the tower of Babel as he said he did.....

The tower of babel .. really? That's another creation myth invented by primitive man to try to explain why people speak different languages. Basic sociology. Different groups evolved different languages due to social isolation and geographical territorial limits.

All languages change over time. "England" English is different from 'American English'. And even in America, People in New York speak very differently than people in New Orleans. Over thousands of years and with more cultural isolation happening 'way back then', the differences would have evolved faster than they do even to this day.

BTW .. the ol' 'God stops people from uniting against him so he changed languages and scattered them' .... that doesn't fly from a spiritual/theological point of view. All the people of that time supposedly did was build a stink'n tower, which would have been much smaller than any of the sky scrappers we have today. And having people of different languages and different cultures has created MORE violence and sin ... not less. It causes divisions and misunderstandings. So if "God" supposedly was trying to keep people from sinning by scattering them and scrambling their language .. He failed.

but in shear numbers.....it doesn't take but 300 years....

In sheer numbers it takes WAY MORE than 300 years for a population to reach 7 billion. But that aside, the DNA proves Noahs Ark didn't happen. DNA doesn't lie. It's just that simple.

I thought all you evolutionists said that all our DNA is so close anyway.....even to our monkeycousins and pignephews

1 - You assume someone is an evolutionist because they are smart enough to reject the Noahs Ark nonsense?
2 - I have no idea what you are talking about 'monkeycousins' and 'pignephews', but I have a feeling it doesn't have anything to do with the topic of Noahs Ark being disproven.
3 - DNA DOES NOT LIE . Facts are facts. To get the gene-diversity we have in the human population today, you MUST go back at least 160,000 years to find the 'in common' female. There is NO WAY that humans in that time period could have used math and built a ship. They were all living in caves grunting at each other.

I gave tons of information showing that Noahs Ark was impossible. DNA distribution. Human population. Animal population. 80,000 year old trees. 100,000 year old coral reefs. Not to mention the biggest of all .. if the world was covered in water all the way to cover Mt. Everest .. where'd it all go? It can't evaporate into space. Obviously it wasn't here to begin with.