Who Was Really Behind the 9/11 Attacks?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWLis-TVB2w#t=49

The line of inquiry and investigative reporting utilized by Corbett in the posted video presents a rather damning indictment of the movements and actions and decisions of the various players on September 11th, 2001, including, in particular, those of Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and of course George Bush Jr. also (re: pet goat), among others.

Personally i am not concerned as much about whether the individuals involved, end up in the dock of the courtroom, although i suppose they probably should (understatement of the ages) but only that true historical learning can take place which serves a cause and course of historical truth and justice, although he has a point that arguments over and an endless conversation regarding the means and mechanism of the destruction of the twin towers and building 7, isn't going to get the 9/11 truth movement anywhere..

- because as with JFK, unending speculation and "conspiracy theory" in talking ABOUT the event, doesn't cut to the very heart of the matter, which involves people, real people even people who are still with us, and as scary for them as that might be (that it's coming 'round full circle after 12+ years in the court of public opinion and overall awareness and understanding and recognition). That aspect (vengeance) cannot be our concern nor inform us when seeking truth and justice for the sake of all involved where to a degree we're all involved when it comes to this issue, in so far as we were all effected by it deeply and because, as they would have us believe.. it "changed the world".. even though it needn't and ought not to have, particularly if the event itself represents an anticipated, by intentional design, false flag, black op, global psy-op of grand proportion, or in short nothing but a murderous hoax.

It still comes down to people, and their decisions, choices and actions, or lack thereof..

Thus, if there was a premeditated and conscious decision on the part of Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, and others, to remain entirely unavailable to the chain of command, for about an hour, the critical hour, or in Cheney's case actively ordering, not a shootdown order but it's very opposite, a no-shoot down order, for the Pentagon plane, then at the very least it represents willful criminal negligence causing death, and that's a very very serious crime, which if it is not prosecuted eventually, has terrible implications and repercussion for the cause of Justice in what might be considered, by certain individuals, groups, organizations or institutions, to be "permissible" - provided it can be done in such a way that there are no negative repercussions or implications for the perpetrators of the crime itself. That's not a good thing. It's neither represents truth and justice, or security, or liberty, while at the same time demanding, in no uncertain terms, to be addressed whereby there was never a real and truly independent 9/11 "investigation" to begin with, but only an obvious cover up.

Will a case ever be brought against them? It's doubtful but not impossible or inconceivable. Things do change in more ways than one.

The real question we ought to be asking ourselves however, is why are certain members of the 9/11 truth movement, like Corbett, are not being sued, for libel?

As with Kevin Ryan and his latest book "Another Nineteen: Investigating Legitimate 9/11 Suspects:"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-OUY5UHxPU


www.amazon.com...

For more info, please see the link in my signature, to the part one (of 3) Documentary "September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor" available for free, on Youtube.

Or go here
www.luogocomune.net...

See Part One Air Defense
0.33:08 - The chain of command
0.38:10 - Promotions, not punishments
0.39:50 - The Mineta case

reply to post by NewAgeMan


The interesting thing about that question is that it is one which both "truthers" and those who believe in the official narrative can both ask honestly and without argument. Even if we assume that the hijackers did indeed carry out the attacks the way the U.S government would have us believe, do we not owe it to the victims of the attacks to question the culpability of that same government, if only for gross negligence? Given all the intelligence that was gathered leading up to the attack, it would appear obvious to even the staunchest 9/11 skeptic that at bare minimum the U.S government had some foreknowledge of an impending terrorist attack of an unprecedented scale and failed to act. Whether that failure was intentional or not will forever be the subject of debate between "OS'ers" and "Truthers", but that such incompetence occurred within the highest echelons of the U.S government, does not seem open for debate.

So who was ultimately responsible? The hijackers, or those who failed (willingly or not) to stop them? Given that I have my doubts about the official story, I know whose feet I lay the blame at.

As south park says " A bunch of pissed of Muslims"


Sure the US goverment may has "let" it happen, through incompetence and possibly due to the administrations intentions.

But im pretty sure it was carried out and planned by Al Queda.

Following a death threat, David Wilcock released information about the truth regarding the abundance of gold and the building 7 cover up.. the storage of gold underneath that "mysteriously disappeared". Was actually a transfer to an Asian group. The economy has been deliberately brought to its knees and gold taken off planet to keep it as such.

There are many players involved..

Visit the youtube video Project Camelot David Wilcock for a truly enlightening time.

crazyewok
As south park says " A bunch of pissed of Muslims"


Sure the US goverment may has "let" it happen, through incompetence and possibly due to the administrations intentions.

But im pretty sure it was carried out and planned by Al Queda.

So if the US knew about it and let it happened then they are in bed with them and that should not be overlooked. NSA was doing just as much spying then as they are now.... They damn near escorted them to the planes...

If you guys haven't watched the new pearl harbor vid, take a gander. They bring up the asbestos, never even heard that side and it makes so much sense. They either had to SPEND billions to accommodate or get PAID billions in insurance.... Crazy that ONE guy owned ALL three towers that fell. And he just bought it 2 months ago with the knowledge that he would have to pay BILLIONS, to get the building up to code.

reply to post by vivid1975


the gold story doesn't come up a lot it seems to most out for the truth. I have seen the numbers of what was supposedly was under there, and then the amount of trucks and what not to take that gold out... I am open to the idea, just not sold on it yet
Do you have anything besides that vid i can read up on? ( I have sat internet and no more "peak" internet time, so no vids till after 11)

DeadSeraph

it would appear obvious to even the staunchest 9/11 skeptic that at bare minimum the U.S government had some foreknowledge of an impending terrorist attack of an unprecedented scale and failed to act. Whether that failure was intentional or not will forever be the subject of debate between "OS'ers" and "Truthers", but that such incompetence occurred within the highest echelons of the U.S government, does not seem open for debate.

The information presented, doesn't appear to reveal mere incompetence, but instead willful criminal negligence, the key issue being that of awareness, not only in terms of foreknowledge, prior to, but even as the event was unfolding in terms of critical decision making and actions, if those decisions and actions represent both aforethought and intent, which they clearly appear to do.

So it's a line of inquiry that's entirely legitimate, as you've pointed out, but not necessarily the subject of another endless debate, as with the physicality of the events, if it can be shown that theirs was a conscious decision not to act, or take any action or even to remain within the chain of command (except in Cheney's case who was in it and connected to it, from the underground bunker at the White House or the Presidential Emergency Operations Center or PEOC), so by the OP, the reference isn't to beforehand in terms of having the ability to prevent it, before it happened, but during, while it happened and was happening in regards to movements, actions and decision making, for that hour or so.

It appears to represent very damning evidence which could very well be used in an indictment if there were say, a dramatic shift in what might constitute the "relevant political community" to coin a phrase once used by Philip D. Zelikow, re: the "public myth", prior to the 9/11 event in reference to it as a future possibility, even as type of policy position adopted in geostrategic and military terms by the Cheney led September 2000 PNAC document, "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategies, Forces, and Resources For a New Century.".

Regards,

NAM

crazyewok

Sure the US goverment may have "let" it happen, through incompetence and possibly due to the administrations intentions.

Um, and that's ok and not to be considered willful criminal negligence how precisely..?, i don't get it..

Please watch the vid when you have a chance. What you'll discover is that intention and conscious awareness cannot be ignored or left in the domain of a mere possibility, because it's very apparent that there were conscious choices being made to dilly dally for that hour, until all the planes had done their thing, or until it was over.

If they let it happen, with intent, and consciously choose to remain inactive and unavailable with the knowledge of what was taking place and as the only people with command authority, that's not "incompetence" but willful criminal negligence causing unnecessary death.

It's a pretty straightforward legal distinction.

reply to post by DeadSeraph

As always I will take the word of the Firefighters who entered the building risking their lives
over politicians who have a LONG track record of lying and selling out to whoever will pad
their campaign chest.

As there has been several other prior government clandestine black ops such as Iran-Contra,
drug dealing in Mena Arkansas via Barry Seal and others, Project Northwoods, Operation Gladdio,
ad naseum....the murder of michael hastings, terrence yeakey, pat tillman, etc etc...

In lieu of a track record of deceit, the logical outcome is "more of the same".

Even 6 of the 10 of the 9-11 commissioners say there is a cover up.

Ex_MislTech
reply to post by DeadSeraph

 

As always I will take the word of the Firefighters who entered the building risking their lives
over politicians who have a LONG track record of lying and selling out to whoever will pad
their campaign chest.

As there has been several other prior government clandestine black ops such as Iran-Contra,
drug dealing in Mena Arkansas via Barry Seal and others, Project Northwoods, Operation Gladdio,
ad naseum....the murder of michael hastings, terrence yeakey, pat tillman, etc etc...

In lieu of a track record of deceit, the logical outcome is "more of the same".

Even 6 of the 10 of the 9-11 commissioners say there is a cover up.

edit on 21-1-2014 by Ex_MislTech because: grammar

The same politicians that gave mexican cartels massive amounts of guns and have the same guns used on american citizens.
People bashing "truthers" always want to turn to "eyewitness" accounts as to what happened that day but the massive amount of firefighters that tell the story of explosions get discredited.

NewAgeMan
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Um, and that's ok and not to be considered willful criminal negligence how precisely..?, i don't get it..

Please watch the vid when you have a chance. What you'll discover is that intention and conscious awareness cannot be i

Never said it wasnt.

Doing some research on the aftermath, it becomes obvious that the US government was involved.

First of all. The magic passport that was found on the same day, is the only link to Al-queda.
Why wasn't OBL never wanted by the CIA for the attacks?

President delaying the commission report, which ended up as the farce "Omission" report. Was a real sloppy job, and was never intended to shed more light on the criminal side of the case.
When someone asked FEMA if they found explosives in the rubble, they answered "No". The next question was "but did you look for explosives?". The answer from FEMA was "No".. seriously? It was utterly impossible and a waste of time looking for explosives? Why not? It's not the first time "terrorists" have tried to destroy the building(s), so why not check up upon explosives as well?

And of course no need to investigate the weird put options. Why not?

Bush & Cheney meets the 9/11 panel, behind closed doors, and no transcripts is allowed, why not?

The amount of lies and deception in the MSM from high officials, in the months afterwards, was completely ridicules. It was obvious that they were lying, and covering up.

And lastly; what on earth did Iraq have todo with 9/11?

Chec out the 911 timeline here, and research it yourself.
www.historycommons.org...
Its soo obvious!

You beat me to it. I read Another 19 a few weeks ago and thought it would make an excellent thread but got hung up researching other subjects. Ryan does a phenomenal job of revealing the connections between certain key people in the events of 9/11 and their role in either creating conditions that made the attacks possible or in covering up the trail of those responsible. I can't recommend the book highly enough, a must-have for any 9/11 researcher.

Other figures of note include:
Dick Armitage
Louis Freeh
George Tenet (also key to embroiling the US in the Iraq invasion)
Ralph Eberhart
L. Paul Bremer
Wirt Walker
Barry McDaniel
Porter Goss
Benedict Sliney
Michael Canavan

As they say "All roads lead to Rome" or in the case of 9/11 the fickle finger of guilt always swings back pointing inward towards America itself (though not without some help from some friends in the Middle East, not all Saudis or Israelis either).

We all know Dick, Don and Dubya had their roles to play (Dubya didn't actually play "dumb", he was left out of the loop on purpose) but the names above and a couple more need to answer for their part in a real investigation.
No force from outside the US could have ever caused the events of 9/11 without major help from inside the defense/intelligence establishment.

reply to post by Ex_MislTech


I am in agreement with you. I just find that the issue of who was responsible is often glossed over in favor of arguments over mini nukes or hologram planes and all this other senseless garbage that distracts people from the real issues. The one thing both camps should be finding common ground on is foreknowledge of the attacks, and the fact that at best there was criminal negligence involved and at worst a full blown conspiracy. I find it mind boggling that there are people out there who don't feel that anyone should be held responsible for that negligence. They are content to pin the blame solely on the highjackers without digging any deeper or demanding further accountability.

crazyewok

NewAgeMan
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Um, and that's ok and not to be considered willful criminal negligence how precisely..?, i don't get it..

Please watch the vid when you have a chance. What you'll discover is that intention and conscious awareness cannot be i

Never said it wasnt.

You never said it was either... I read it the same way. Being lax on gov involvement and then point the finger at Al-Quidea or how ever you spell that US funded group.

reply to post by DeadSeraph


As with Project Bluebook, and Project Grudge, they will use disinfo to discredit grass root efforts
to get at the truth of a situation.

It is now public knowledge that taxpayer money is used to pay bloggers to counter blog against certain
stories online.

Alot of ppl don't realize we are not heading toward a Orwellian world, but we are in fact already there,
and we have Manning, and Snowden to thank who are luckily alive, and some others who were killed
because they were going to speak out such as Terrence Yeakey, Pat Tillman, Michael Hastings, and others....

Watch the "truth hurts" video in my sig for the firefighters take on it.

There was an abject failure on the part of the administration to join the dots. Sufficient intelligence from not only the CIA and the FBI existed to show an increased risk of extremeist attacks on the Towers. Bin Laden and AQ had taken a pop already but failed with the basement vehicle device that should have been a warning beacon that remained lit.

You didn't need to be a genius to realise that the USA in many peoples eyes represented the worst aspect of Imperialist Capitalism. People learning to fly aeroplanes but not being interested in how to take off or land was reported to the authorities.

Whether by accident or design the ball was dropped totally and the rest as they say is history. I find it incredible that none of the planes apparently squawked their problems before succumbing to the hijackers, I believe it only requires one button to be pressed either on the transponder or elsewhere.

All the rest of the many arguments add to the obfuscation that surrounds the tragedy of 9-11, that fog is unlikely to clear soon, if ever. What I find unexplainable is the fall of WTC7 and the Firefighters reports of explosions, these guys know what they are talking about and there is a huge difference between the sound of an explosion and internal building structure collapse, get someone to put it on a visual aid to see clearly the difference.

Did Bush know, I don't think so, no-one can look that stupid and surprised by acting, that looked very natural, although is it true he was reading the book upside down?

This is one to keep ATS rolling for a long time as the odd fact emerges or the next conspiracy hits the streets...

I think this sums it up nicely....



Mistakes were certainly made by the US government in the follow up, but to say they had a part in it is just ludicrous.

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The US government has a history of doing dirty deeds.

I would like to hear more about this fantasy of a kind and loving government though,
it might give some comfort in lieu of the list below.

Operation Northwoods

CIA Family Jewels

Bay of Pigs

Barry Seal

Mc Collum Memo

Operation Gladio

Operation Condor

MK Ultra

COINTELPRO

reply to post by Ex_MislTech


Oh I think the US government is capable of pure evil...on other soil. Japan 1945, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc etc.

I also believe that they used the 9/11 attacks to further their agenda in the ME, but it was pure luck for them that they got their excuse.

EDIT: I will even go as far as to say they [may have] knew the 9/11 attacks were coming, and did very little to stop them as they wanted that excuse to step up the campaign in the ME.