Fukushima radiation… what you need to know and why

RickinVa

1. What is radiation? Its an unstable atom.
2. Can you dilute an atom with water? NO

That argument really doesn't make any sense. You can't dilute a single atom of anything in that sense. However, there is a big difference between 12 molar hydrochloric acid and .00000000001 molar hydrochloric acid. That difference is dilution. I can't dilute a single proton. But I can dilute a solution of many.

Similarly, a solution with 1e9 Becquerels per liter is a lot more radioactive than one with 1 Becquerel per liter.

Human0815


From where do you get the Amount of 800.000 Tones of Water?

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Water:
Unit 1. 109 Cubic Meter/ Day
Unit 2: 120 Cubic Meter/ Day
Unit 3: 128 Cubic Meter/ Day
=====: 357 Cubic Meter/ Day
Source

1cubic meter of water weighs 1000kg, or ONE TON.

As far as water leaking into the ocean, it's a known thing that hundreds of tons of groundwater pass under the plant daily through normal ground runoff, and since the basement of the some of the buildings is cracked, it can leak INTO and OUT OF the reactor buildings.

With reactor 2 and 3 they don't even know if there is a 20meter hole in the concrete as the corium burns through the earth's crust.....

Bedlam

RickinVa

1. What is radiation? Its an unstable atom.
2. Can you dilute an atom with water? NO

That argument really doesn't make any sense. You can't dilute a single atom of anything in that sense. However, there is a big difference between 12 molar hydrochloric acid and .00000000001 molar hydrochloric acid. That difference is dilution. I can't dilute a single proton. But I can dilute a solution of many.

Similarly, a solution with 1e9 Becquerels per liter is a lot more radioactive than one with 1 Becquerel per liter.

The point is if there are 5 radioactive atoms of strontium or cesium, whether they are sitting in a shotglass on my coffee table, or whether they are are dispersed in a 500gallon fish tank on my wall, they are still HERE, emitting the EXACT SAME number of electrons (radiation). The amount of water sitting next to an atom as it fires an electron at me makes no damn difference when the electrons hit me.

Bedlam

RickinVa

1. What is radiation? Its an unstable atom.
2. Can you dilute an atom with water? NO-

That argument really doesn't make any sense. You can't dilute a single atom of anything in that sense. However, there is a big difference between 12 molar hydrochloric acid and .00000000001 molar hydrochloric acid. That difference is dilution. I can't dilute a single proton. But I can dilute a solution of many.

Similarly, a solution with 1e9 Becquerels per liter is a lot more radioactive than one with 1 Becquerel per liter.

The difference is due to dissipation not dilution. You cannot dilute a radionuclide. You can dilute the effects of the radiation from that radionuclide.

A gram of Strontium 90 is highly radioactive and will not dilute in water. It will dissipate, or disperse, if you prefer.

A gram of Strontium 90 in 10,000,000,000 gallons of water will have its radioactive effects diluted because the dissipation of the Strontium 90 in such a vast amount of water. Its all about concentration of the radionuclides and not dilution of the radionuclides.

You can say "The radiation from Fukushima will be less concentrated because of the Pacific Ocean"... that's a true statement. But you can't dilute it.

To dilute a radionuclide would be to somehow lessen its radioactivity, because if you could dilute it, then theoretically you could dilute it to the point where it is no longer radioactive. This were true, then we have just solved the world's problem with nuclear waste storage... we can just dilute it to the point where it is no longer radioactive!

We can keep spraying water on Fukushima until we sufficiently dilute the radiation until it disappears altogether.

If you could dilute radiation, then I wouldn't have a problem with nuclear power, but it just doesn't work that way

reply to post by Human0815

also Tepco is owned by the Government of Tokyo and Japan,

Proof please. If it is 'owned' it's a very recent event:

TEPCO could face ¥2 trillion ($23.6 billion) in special losses in the current business year to March 2012,[6] and the Japanese government plans to put TEPCO under effective state control to guarantee compensation payments to the people affected by the accident

en.wikipedia.org...

If the government owns Tepco why would they be putting it under state control?

wishes
reply to post by Human0815

 

also Tepco is owned by the Government of Tokyo and Japan,

Proof please. If it is 'owned' it's a very recent event:

TEPCO could face ¥2 trillion ($23.6 billion) in special losses in the current business year to March 2012,[6] and the Japanese government plans to put TEPCO under effective state control to guarantee compensation payments to the people affected by the accident

en.wikipedia.org...

If the government owns Tepco why would they be putting it under state control?

He was referring to the fact I believe that the Japanese Government owns 51% of Tepco's stock as ownership. That's not exactly ownership, more like a controlling interest.

RickinVa

wishes
reply to post by Human0815

 

also Tepco is owned by the Government of Tokyo and Japan,

Proof please. If it is 'owned' it's a very recent event:

TEPCO could face ¥2 trillion ($23.6 billion) in special losses in the current business year to March 2012,[6] and the Japanese government plans to put TEPCO under effective state control to guarantee compensation payments to the people affected by the accident

en.wikipedia.org...

If the government owns Tepco why would they be putting it under state control?

He was referring to the fact I believe that the Japanese Government owns 51% of Tepco's stock as ownership. That's not exactly ownership, more like a controlling interest.

www.tepco.co.jp...
Doesn't look like it according to their September 2013 stockholder information... majority holders look to be individuals, foreign investors, financial institutions - government is second to last for number of shares... ?

wishes

RickinVa

wishes
reply to post by Human0815

 

also Tepco is owned by the Government of Tokyo and Japan,

Proof please. If it is 'owned' it's a very recent event:

TEPCO could face ¥2 trillion ($23.6 billion) in special losses in the current business year to March 2012,[6] and the Japanese government plans to put TEPCO under effective state control to guarantee compensation payments to the people affected by the accident

en.wikipedia.org...

If the government owns Tepco why would they be putting it under state control?

He was referring to the fact I believe that the Japanese Government owns 51% of Tepco's stock as ownership. That's not exactly ownership, more like a controlling interest.

www.tepco.co.jp...
Doesn't look like it according to their September 2013 stockholder information... majority holders look to be individuals, foreign investors, financial institutions - government is second to last for number of shares... ?

I didn't research it so I can't say one way or the other.

8675309jenny

Human0815


From where do you get the Amount of 800.000 Tones of Water?

...
...
...


Water:
Unit 1. 109 Cubic Meter/ Day
Unit 2: 120 Cubic Meter/ Day
Unit 3: 128 Cubic Meter/ Day
=====: 357 Cubic Meter/ Day
Source

1cubic meter of water weighs 1000kg, or ONE TON.

As far as water leaking into the ocean, it's a known thing that hundreds of tons of groundwater pass under the plant daily through normal ground runoff, and since the basement of the some of the buildings is cracked, it can leak INTO and OUT OF the reactor buildings.

With reactor 2 and 3 they don't even know if there is a 20meter hole in the concrete as the corium burns through the earth's crust.....

But Tepco don't use the Groundwater to cool the Core
and not 800.000 Tones,
Madredeus!

Do no one read the Files?
Do you not understand how the Cooling System is working,
do i need to explain it?

reply to post by RickinVa


People especially in the states just automatically assume all radiation is lethal not realizing their around it every day. Salt is radioactive the water we drink the dust you breath. Also not to mention all the radiation the sun throws at us every day what's important is the intensity of the exposure. The plant is releasing beta particles minimal danger unless you put a couple of pounds of the stuff under your bed. You can buy uranium it releases beta particles and you can hold it in your hand with no ill effects. The only danger was the initial exposure because those were not beta particles. However by this point the reactor is shut down no new radiation is being created all we have now is radiation breaking down as it expends its energy. When beta particles break down it will no longer be any danger.

dragonridr
reply to post by RickinVa

 

People especially in the states just automatically assume all radiation is lethal not realizing their around it every day. Salt is radioactive the water we drink the dust you breath. Also not to mention all the radiation the sun throws at us every day what's important is the intensity of the exposure. The plant is releasing beta particles minimal danger unless you put a couple of pounds of the stuff under your bed. You can buy uranium it releases beta particles and you can hold it in your hand with no ill effects. The only danger was the initial exposure because those were not beta particles. However by this point the reactor is shut down no new radiation is being created all we have now is radiation breaking down as it expends its energy. When beta particles break down it will no longer be any danger.

"When beta particles break down it will no longer be any danger" thats true... see you in a 10,000 years when unfortunately some of it will still be around.

If you please scroll back a page or two, you will find that I did talk about natural background radiation.

"The plant is releasing beta particles minimal danger unless you put a couple of pounds of the stuff under your bed" Internal vs external dose....you can't really compare the two. 1 gram of cesium 137 under your bed is completely different than 1 gram of cesium in your body, for example. I, myself, would rather prefer not to be around either.

wishes
www.tepco.co.jp...
Doesn't look like it according to their September 2013 stockholder information... majority holders look to be individuals, foreign investors, financial institutions - government is second to last for number of shares... ?

I don't think so. Look at the preferred shares owned by "domestic corporation", one owner of all those shares, which I suppose is probably the Nuclear Damage Liability Facilitation Fund, a government-backed support body:

TEPCO

On July 31, 2012, TEPCO was substantially nationalized by receiving a capital injection of 1 trillion yen (US$12.5bn) from the Nuclear Damage Liability Facilitation Fund, a government-backed support body. The Fund holds the majority (50.11%) of voting rights with an option to raise that figure to 88.69% by converting preferred stocks into common stocks.

So even though it's just over 50% now by converting the preferred stock they could end up with almost 89%.

RickinVa

dragonridr
reply to post by RickinVa

 

People especially in the states just automatically assume all radiation is lethal not realizing their around it every day. Salt is radioactive the water we drink the dust you breath. Also not to mention all the radiation the sun throws at us every day what's important is the intensity of the exposure. The plant is releasing beta particles minimal danger unless you put a couple of pounds of the stuff under your bed. You can buy uranium it releases beta particles and you can hold it in your hand with no ill effects. The only danger was the initial exposure because those were not beta particles. However by this point the reactor is shut down no new radiation is being created all we have now is radiation breaking down as it expends its energy. When beta particles break down it will no longer be any danger.

"When beta particles break down it will no longer be any danger" thats true... see you in a 10,000 years when unfortunately some of it will still be around.

If you please scroll back a page or two, you will find that I did talk about natural background radiation.

"The plant is releasing beta particles minimal danger unless you put a couple of pounds of the stuff under your bed" Internal vs external dose....you can't really compare the two. 1 gram of cesium 137 under your bed is completely different than 1 gram of cesium in your body, for example. I, myself, would rather prefer not to be around either.

edit on 19-1-2014 by RickinVa because: (no reason given)

edit on 19-1-2014 by RickinVa because: (no reason given)

This is in a test tube and its not millions of years beta particles like cesium 137 start decaying immediately thats the radiation. Its half life is about 30 yrs if i remember correctly have a chart in my lab. Any way we are talking about ingesting cesium that is entirely different it will be gone from a human in one to four months. and if you know youve been exposed can take prussian blue and its gone in a couple of weeks. again you would have to eat a couple of ounces to do any damage to you. Because beta particles are such a slow radiation release rate. Your promoting doom porn nothing more look as many scientists there are on the planet do you see them running around in panic. Look if there was a serious threat to anyone other than the Japanese i would have already been screaming from the roof tops.

Because of the explosion higher concentrations were released at first meaning people near the plant has increased there risk somewhere between 1 to 4 percent depending on exposure. To set your mind at ease this is exactly the same risk apollo astronauts had and not one of them developed cancer.

Now the gamma release was different but there gone now already decayed into beta particles they were highly unstable.

dragonridr

RickinVa

dragonridr
reply to post by RickinVa

 

People especially in the states just automatically assume all radiation is lethal not realizing their around it every day. Salt is radioactive the water we drink the dust you breath. Also not to mention all the radiation the sun throws at us every day what's important is the intensity of the exposure. The plant is releasing beta particles minimal danger unless you put a couple of pounds of the stuff under your bed. You can buy uranium it releases beta particles and you can hold it in your hand with no ill effects. The only danger was the initial exposure because those were not beta particles. However by this point the reactor is shut down no new radiation is being created all we have now is radiation breaking down as it expends its energy. When beta particles break down it will no longer be any danger.

"When beta particles break down it will no longer be any danger" thats true... see you in a 10,000 years when unfortunately some of it will still be around.

If you please scroll back a page or two, you will find that I did talk about natural background radiation.

"The plant is releasing beta particles minimal danger unless you put a couple of pounds of the stuff under your bed" Internal vs external dose....you can't really compare the two. 1 gram of cesium 137 under your bed is completely different than 1 gram of cesium in your body, for example. I, myself, would rather prefer not to be around either.

edit on 19-1-2014 by RickinVa because: (no reason given)

edit on 19-1-2014 by RickinVa because: (no reason given)

This is in a test tube and its not millions of years beta particles like cesium 137 start decaying immediately thats the radiation. Its half life is about 30 yrs if i remember correctly have a chart in my lab. Any way we are talking about ingesting cesium that is entirely different it will be gone from a human in one to four months. and if you know youve been exposed can take prussian blue and its gone in a couple of weeks. again you would have to eat a couple of ounces to do any damage to you. Because beta particles are such a slow radiation release rate. Your promoting doom porn nothing more look as many scientists there are on the planet do you see them running around in panic. Look if there was a serious threat to anyone other than the Japanese i would have already been screaming from the roof tops.

Because of the explosion higher concentrations were released at first meaning people near the plant has increased there risk somewhere between 1 to 4 percent depending on exposure. To set your mind at ease this is exactly the same risk apollo astronauts had and not one of them developed cancer.

again you would have to eat a couple of ounces to do any damage to you...... that sums up your feelings pretty good... you go right ahead and eat those couple of ounces of cesium.... I will pass

and since posting facts is doom porn,,, well I just don't know what to say to that so I won't bother to reply.

RickinVa

dragonridr

RickinVa

dragonridr
reply to post by RickinVa

 

People especially in the states just automatically assume all radiation is lethal not realizing their around it every day. Salt is radioactive the water we drink the dust you breath. Also not to mention all the radiation the sun throws at us every day what's important is the intensity of the exposure. The plant is releasing beta particles minimal danger unless you put a couple of pounds of the stuff under your bed. You can buy uranium it releases beta particles and you can hold it in your hand with no ill effects. The only danger was the initial exposure because those were not beta particles. However by this point the reactor is shut down no new radiation is being created all we have now is radiation breaking down as it expends its energy. When beta particles break down it will no longer be any danger.

"When beta particles break down it will no longer be any danger" thats true... see you in a 10,000 years when unfortunately some of it will still be around.

If you please scroll back a page or two, you will find that I did talk about natural background radiation.

"The plant is releasing beta particles minimal danger unless you put a couple of pounds of the stuff under your bed" Internal vs external dose....you can't really compare the two. 1 gram of cesium 137 under your bed is completely different than 1 gram of cesium in your body, for example. I, myself, would rather prefer not to be around either.

edit on 19-1-2014 by RickinVa because: (no reason given)

edit on 19-1-2014 by RickinVa because: (no reason given)

This is in a test tube and its not millions of years beta particles like cesium 137 start decaying immediately thats the radiation. Its half life is about 30 yrs if i remember correctly have a chart in my lab. Any way we are talking about ingesting cesium that is entirely different it will be gone from a human in one to four months. and if you know youve been exposed can take prussian blue and its gone in a couple of weeks. again you would have to eat a couple of ounces to do any damage to you. Because beta particles are such a slow radiation release rate. Your promoting doom porn nothing more look as many scientists there are on the planet do you see them running around in panic. Look if there was a serious threat to anyone other than the Japanese i would have already been screaming from the roof tops.

Because of the explosion higher concentrations were released at first meaning people near the plant has increased there risk somewhere between 1 to 4 percent depending on exposure. To set your mind at ease this is exactly the same risk apollo astronauts had and not one of them developed cancer.

again you would have to eat a couple of ounces to do any damage to you...... that sums up your feelings pretty good... you go right ahead and eat those couple of ounces of cesium.... I will pass

and since posting facts is doom porn,,, well I just don't know what to say to that so I won't bother to reply.

edit on 19-1-2014 by RickinVa because: (no reason given)

You know so little about radiation now you've gone to just making silly statements. Its not recommended for anyone to eat a couple of ounces of cesium though you could and live.You are intaking cesium every day of your life since you've been born are systems metabolizes most beta particles and removes them. This had to be part of our biology since there isnt anywhere on the planet were not exposed to radiation. If you like salt in your food guess what its radioactive so is many things we eat. The quantity is so small that it doesnt affect us and our bodies remove it from our systems. If you really were concerned you would take the time to learn about radiation and its affects on the human body. But your not you just want to scare people.

If anyone on here wants to see some actually biological reports we use for cancer patients i can email them from work they receive much stronger doses then were talking about here.

Arbitrageur

wishes
www.tepco.co.jp...
Doesn't look like it according to their September 2013 stockholder information... majority holders look to be individuals, foreign investors, financial institutions - government is second to last for number of shares... ?

I don't think so. Look at the preferred shares owned by "domestic corporation", one owner of all those shares, which I suppose is probably the Nuclear Damage Liability Facilitation Fund, a government-backed support body:

TEPCO

On July 31, 2012, TEPCO was substantially nationalized by receiving a capital injection of 1 trillion yen (US$12.5bn) from the Nuclear Damage Liability Facilitation Fund, a government-backed support body. The Fund holds the majority (50.11%) of voting rights with an option to raise that figure to 88.69% by converting preferred stocks into common stocks.

So even though it's just over 50% now by converting the preferred stock they could end up with almost 89%.

Have no idea what domestic corporation refers to (as in who's on its list of names/companies). That you 'suppose' it's the Nuclear Damage Liability Facilitation Fund means you're not sure? And if it's a government-backed support body would they be at 'arms length'? They're all evil liars as far as I'm concerned and not worthy my time to get bogged down in details. Since Human mentioned they owned 51% I figured he would have a ready source to explain it. And even if they do, does it really matter? I mean they do backroom deals and swindles and back scratching there's no way to keep up to a fraction of it. My concern is the unleashed radiation with no end in sight for decades... if ever.

dragonridr

RickinVa

dragonridr

RickinVa

dragonridr
reply to post by RickinVa

 

People especially in the states just automatically assume all radiation is lethal not realizing their around it every day. Salt is radioactive the water we drink the dust you breath. Also not to mention all the radiation the sun throws at us every day what's important is the intensity of the exposure. The plant is releasing beta particles minimal danger unless you put a couple of pounds of the stuff under your bed. You can buy uranium it releases beta particles and you can hold it in your hand with no ill effects. The only danger was the initial exposure because those were not beta particles. However by this point the reactor is shut down no new radiation is being created all we have now is radiation breaking down as it expends its energy. When beta particles break down it will no longer be any danger.

"When beta particles break down it will no longer be any danger" thats true... see you in a 10,000 years when unfortunately some of it will still be around.

If you please scroll back a page or two, you will find that I did talk about natural background radiation.

"The plant is releasing beta particles minimal danger unless you put a couple of pounds of the stuff under your bed" Internal vs external dose....you can't really compare the two. 1 gram of cesium 137 under your bed is completely different than 1 gram of cesium in your body, for example. I, myself, would rather prefer not to be around either.

edit on 19-1-2014 by RickinVa because: (no reason given)

edit on 19-1-2014 by RickinVa because: (no reason given)

This is in a test tube and its not millions of years beta particles like cesium 137 start decaying immediately thats the radiation. Its half life is about 30 yrs if i remember correctly have a chart in my lab. Any way we are talking about ingesting cesium that is entirely different it will be gone from a human in one to four months. and if you know youve been exposed can take prussian blue and its gone in a couple of weeks. again you would have to eat a couple of ounces to do any damage to you. Because beta particles are such a slow radiation release rate. Your promoting doom porn nothing more look as many scientists there are on the planet do you see them running around in panic. Look if there was a serious threat to anyone other than the Japanese i would have already been screaming from the roof tops.

Because of the explosion higher concentrations were released at first meaning people near the plant has increased there risk somewhere between 1 to 4 percent depending on exposure. To set your mind at ease this is exactly the same risk apollo astronauts had and not one of them developed cancer.

again you would have to eat a couple of ounces to do any damage to you...... that sums up your feelings pretty good... you go right ahead and eat those couple of ounces of cesium.... I will pass

and since posting facts is doom porn,,, well I just don't know what to say to that so I won't bother to reply.

edit on 19-1-2014 by RickinVa because: (no reason given)

You know so little about radiation now you've gone to just making silly statements. Its not recommended for anyone to eat a couple of ounces of cesium though you could and live.You are intaking cesium every day of your life since you've been born are systems metabolizes most beta particles and removes them. This had to be part of our biology since there isnt anywhere on the planet were not exposed to radiation. If you like salt in your food guess what its radioactive so is many things we eat. The quantity is so small that it doesnt affect us and our bodies remove it from our systems. If you really were concerned you would take the time to learn about radiation and its affects on the human body. But your not you just want to scare people.

If anyone on here wants to see some actually biological reports we use for cancer patients i can email them from work they receive much stronger doses then were talking about here.

Do you have any idea of how many people died or were made seriously ill from a few ounces of Cesium in South America a few years back? There's no way you can claim that it is safe.

"If you really were concerned you would take the time to learn about radiation and its affects on the human body. But your not you just want to scare people."

You have no idea how much time I have invested in researching radiation, so don't even go there.

Attack the ball not the player.

4 dead and numerous made very ill...... 3.3 ounces of cesium

en.wikipedia.org...

RickinVa

dragonridr

RickinVa

dragonridr

RickinVa

dragonridr
reply to post by RickinVa

 

People especially in the states just automatically assume all radiation is lethal not realizing their around it every day. Salt is radioactive the water we drink the dust you breath. Also not to mention all the radiation the sun throws at us every day what's important is the intensity of the exposure. The plant is releasing beta particles minimal danger unless you put a couple of pounds of the stuff under your bed. You can buy uranium it releases beta particles and you can hold it in your hand with no ill effects. The only danger was the initial exposure because those were not beta particles. However by this point the reactor is shut down no new radiation is being created all we have now is radiation breaking down as it expends its energy. When beta particles break down it will no longer be any danger.

"When beta particles break down it will no longer be any danger" thats true... see you in a 10,000 years when unfortunately some of it will still be around.

If you please scroll back a page or two, you will find that I did talk about natural background radiation.

"The plant is releasing beta particles minimal danger unless you put a couple of pounds of the stuff under your bed" Internal vs external dose....you can't really compare the two. 1 gram of cesium 137 under your bed is completely different than 1 gram of cesium in your body, for example. I, myself, would rather prefer not to be around either.

edit on 19-1-2014 by RickinVa because: (no reason given)

edit on 19-1-2014 by RickinVa because: (no reason given)

This is in a test tube and its not millions of years beta particles like cesium 137 start decaying immediately thats the radiation. Its half life is about 30 yrs if i remember correctly have a chart in my lab. Any way we are talking about ingesting cesium that is entirely different it will be gone from a human in one to four months. and if you know youve been exposed can take prussian blue and its gone in a couple of weeks. again you would have to eat a couple of ounces to do any damage to you. Because beta particles are such a slow radiation release rate. Your promoting doom porn nothing more look as many scientists there are on the planet do you see them running around in panic. Look if there was a serious threat to anyone other than the Japanese i would have already been screaming from the roof tops.

Because of the explosion higher concentrations were released at first meaning people near the plant has increased there risk somewhere between 1 to 4 percent depending on exposure. To set your mind at ease this is exactly the same risk apollo astronauts had and not one of them developed cancer.

again you would have to eat a couple of ounces to do any damage to you...... that sums up your feelings pretty good... you go right ahead and eat those couple of ounces of cesium.... I will pass

and since posting facts is doom porn,,, well I just don't know what to say to that so I won't bother to reply.

edit on 19-1-2014 by RickinVa because: (no reason given)

You know so little about radiation now you've gone to just making silly statements. Its not recommended for anyone to eat a couple of ounces of cesium though you could and live.You are intaking cesium every day of your life since you've been born are systems metabolizes most beta particles and removes them. This had to be part of our biology since there isnt anywhere on the planet were not exposed to radiation. If you like salt in your food guess what its radioactive so is many things we eat. The quantity is so small that it doesnt affect us and our bodies remove it from our systems. If you really were concerned you would take the time to learn about radiation and its affects on the human body. But your not you just want to scare people.

If anyone on here wants to see some actually biological reports we use for cancer patients i can email them from work they receive much stronger doses then were talking about here.

Do you have any idea of how many people died or were made seriously ill from a few ounces of Cesium in South America a few years back? There's no way you can claim that it is safe.

Attack the ball not the player.

edit on 19-1-2014 by RickinVa because: (no reason given)

edit on 19-1-2014 by RickinVa because: (no reason given)

Really there was a cesium release in south america and when did this occur and please post the study so i can review it. Did the people ingest it and were they treated for it? How much was ingested and what was the time period of the exposure i can even draw you up a chart plotting there cancer risks but i need the study or is this internet rumors again?

dragonridr

RickinVa

dragonridr

RickinVa

dragonridr

RickinVa

dragonridr
reply to post by RickinVa

 

People especially in the states just automatically assume all radiation is lethal not realizing their around it every day. Salt is radioactive the water we drink the dust you breath. Also not to mention all the radiation the sun throws at us every day what's important is the intensity of the exposure. The plant is releasing beta particles minimal danger unless you put a couple of pounds of the stuff under your bed. You can buy uranium it releases beta particles and you can hold it in your hand with no ill effects. The only danger was the initial exposure because those were not beta particles. However by this point the reactor is shut down no new radiation is being created all we have now is radiation breaking down as it expends its energy. When beta particles break down it will no longer be any danger.

"When beta particles break down it will no longer be any danger" thats true... see you in a 10,000 years when unfortunately some of it will still be around.

If you please scroll back a page or two, you will find that I did talk about natural background radiation.

"The plant is releasing beta particles minimal danger unless you put a couple of pounds of the stuff under your bed" Internal vs external dose....you can't really compare the two. 1 gram of cesium 137 under your bed is completely different than 1 gram of cesium in your body, for example. I, myself, would rather prefer not to be around either.

edit on 19-1-2014 by RickinVa because: (no reason given)

edit on 19-1-2014 by RickinVa because: (no reason given)

This is in a test tube and its not millions of years beta particles like cesium 137 start decaying immediately thats the radiation. Its half life is about 30 yrs if i remember correctly have a chart in my lab. Any way we are talking about ingesting cesium that is entirely different it will be gone from a human in one to four months. and if you know youve been exposed can take prussian blue and its gone in a couple of weeks. again you would have to eat a couple of ounces to do any damage to you. Because beta particles are such a slow radiation release rate. Your promoting doom porn nothing more look as many scientists there are on the planet do you see them running around in panic. Look if there was a serious threat to anyone other than the Japanese i would have already been screaming from the roof tops.

Because of the explosion higher concentrations were released at first meaning people near the plant has increased there risk somewhere between 1 to 4 percent depending on exposure. To set your mind at ease this is exactly the same risk apollo astronauts had and not one of them developed cancer.

again you would have to eat a couple of ounces to do any damage to you...... that sums up your feelings pretty good... you go right ahead and eat those couple of ounces of cesium.... I will pass

and since posting facts is doom porn,,, well I just don't know what to say to that so I won't bother to reply.

edit on 19-1-2014 by RickinVa because: (no reason given)

You know so little about radiation now you've gone to just making silly statements. Its not recommended for anyone to eat a couple of ounces of cesium though you could and live.You are intaking cesium every day of your life since you've been born are systems metabolizes most beta particles and removes them. This had to be part of our biology since there isnt anywhere on the planet were not exposed to radiation. If you like salt in your food guess what its radioactive so is many things we eat. The quantity is so small that it doesnt affect us and our bodies remove it from our systems. If you really were concerned you would take the time to learn about radiation and its affects on the human body. But your not you just want to scare people.

If anyone on here wants to see some actually biological reports we use for cancer patients i can email them from work they receive much stronger doses then were talking about here.

Do you have any idea of how many people died or were made seriously ill from a few ounces of Cesium in South America a few years back? There's no way you can claim that it is safe.

Attack the ball not the player.

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Really there was a cesium release in south america and when did this occur and please post the study so i can review it. Did the people ingest it and were they treated for it? How much was ingested and what was the time period of the exposure i can even draw you up a chart plotting there cancer risks but i need the study or is this internet rumors again?

4 dead and 20 suffer radiation sickness 3.3 ounces of cesium chloride.

en.wikipedia.org...

Facts my friend.... facts

lol... I can give you the cancer risks for the 4 dead people without drawing a chart 0%...lol

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Is an atom of radiation dangerous? No. It's obvious the only reason you want to avoid the word dilute is because it indicates that the radiation is currently being dispersed to non toxic levels.