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GenRadek
reply to post by lambros56
Pray tell, where do I not make sense?
t may come as a surprise but, light objects like that are more likely to survive because they can do something called "float". During the impact, light materials get caught up in the updrafts of the fires and survive. This is not the first time. Check other high profile crashes of airliners. Clothes, shoes, magazines, letters, have survived serious catastrophes.
There was. It was mostly either burned off in the impact explosion or it was absorbed into the ground.
Or it was in the carry on luggage. Anyways, there are MANY instances of personal items surviving such crashes.
You forget that the plane is a hollow tube filled with air as well. All that air can blow items out from the inside of the aircraft on impact. Again, look up other aircrashes where this has happened.
Some times, it comes down to dumb luck.
No it was being stated how can such fragile things survive such catastrophic and violent incidents intact, and that it must mean it was planted. I merely stated that Columbia and Challenger both experienced even more severe stresses and forces, and had some fragile items survive that one would not have expected to survive. Surviving a break up and reentry in the atmosphere is not relevant to items surviving 9/11? Come now.
lambros56
I thought I made it clear in my post above.
They`re your words...
Sremmos80
So ignore the engines completely? Still doesn't explain why 2 of the 6 engines were found...
And updrafts don't explain an 8 mile debris field
Please show me the fire where the wings of 93 hit, the only scorch marks are in the center of the hole and in the trees around it. Nothing where the wings and what should have been engines hit. And either the plane vaporized, which would get rid of all the fuel or it disintegrated, which would not cause the fuel to burn off but instead pool up which no one saw any of. It doesn't absorb into the ground instantly. And since they say they found 95% of the plane, i don't think it vaporized so what happened to the fuel?
So out of ALL the things to survive it just so happened to be the passport of one of the guys that just brought down a tower that left nothing else in its rubble? They could barley find office supplies in the rubble and yet they find the one passport they need?
So why didn't anything else of interest survive? Only 1 of 19 passports? What about IDs of other passengers? Any of those survive?
That cloud that saved that passport only saved the one thing? And wouldn't those fireballs be from the said air going through fire and feeding it more? Point of impact explosion, huge air bubble gets pushed forward and we get a fireball. But the passport was in front of that.
Well if you are ok with just dumb luck then not much I can say to that...
I guess it was lucky for that guy, one of the few that gained anything from that day
But those ships were doing something they were designed to do, reenter the atmosphere. So were those items taking on the full force of reentry or did the heat shields on the bottom of the vessels take some of that force and stress off?
I will also add that i don't see why that flag could not have been planted... I don't think of either of those events as a conspiracy but I do know that our head honchos don't ever waste a good disaster.
Show ole glory survived the crash and it gives the mass something to smile about.
It is also different IMO because we are talking crucial case evidence was "found" but not a whole much of anything else.
Nothing found in columbia or challenger was used to convict someone of a crime
GenRadek
lambros56
I thought I made it clear in my post above.
They`re your words...
They were responses I made to your questions, which were quoted. If you cannot figure that out, well..................
lambros56
No.....
Your responses were made to Sremmos80 , who was making perfect sense.
I found your responses in that post made no sense whatsoever and a bit embarrassing and naïve.
GenRadek
reply to post by Sremmos80
Compare the size of a black box to the parts in a jet engine first. Ok, now think sizes. What is going to be easier to find, something that is the size of shoebox or something that is the size of a dinner table? Black boxes were not recovered at the WTC. Why? Well again, in the chaos of the crash, they didn't make it out the building. Then they got pulverized by the collapses. I mean did you really not think about that possibility? A black box is not a solid chunk of steel. They can get mangled in a crash and in this case, buried by 30+ acres of floors. I mean, seriously, think a bit.
As for Flight 93, yes I am sure a bunch got buried in the impact, like how a meteor slams into the Earth. Same idea. But a plane does not stay intact on impact. Some gets buried, some gets obliterated, and some gets ejected. Again, think. The debris that went into the air was the light stuff. Check the items found. Also, the debris was found 8 miles away DOWNWIND of the impact site. If it got shot down, then we should have found debris earlier BEFORE the impact site, along the final path of the plane. But we didn't. There was NO debris found along the path ANYWHERE. No hicks came forward with chunks of aircraft before the crash site. No conspiracy nutters found parts either. All that was found, was found well past the impact site downwind. I would familiarize myself with this ATS thread that covers this entire topic in whole.
FLT 93 The Second Debris Field
It wasn't 8 miles of airplane chunks everywhere. Thermals from the fireball at impact carried this light debris up into the air, and deposited it downwind eight miles away.
If you would like to compare this to another air disaster, look up Flight 1771. Suicidal man causes crash. Found in wreckage is the suicide note, weapon, and even light debris found eight miles away from the impact site downwind.
Also in regards to black boxes surviving, not always the case. Black Boxes Again, the WTC site was the worst case scenario. Flight 77 and Flight 93's black boxes were recovered. But what exactly would be the point of investigating the black boxes? It is no mystery what caused the plane crashes. It was not an accident.
As to what I was comparing the shuttle incidents to this was simple. I was pointing out how seemingly fragile things can survive extreme catastrophic destruction. Geeze, I thought that was pretty simple to understand and was not expecting someone to not figure that out. But I guess if petri dishes with worms surviving the break-up and re-entry of the shuttle at Mach 23 and from altitudes of 230,000ft at temps of over 2000F is not impressive or indicative of how things just can happen unexpectedly, well......................
In regards to the flight characteristics, they weren't anything hotshot at all. Just basic fly, aim, crash. Nothing I haven't done on flight sim games before. However the hijackers had pilot licenses earned. You do know they don't just give them away like Pez candy.
Sremmos80
The thing the size of a shoe box is build like a bank vault,
So interesting how those things that would significantly help the investigation
Sremmos80
Why wouldn't engines and black boxes and other essential plane parts help in an investigation of plane crashes?
Seeing as how those would concretely place the said planes in the places they were said to be in.
Sremmos80
we should have video of the third that hit the pentagon. Why hide the video of something we all know happened?
77 didn't nose dive like 93 but we see the same massive parts of the plane that should survive the crash not there like the wings, tail, 6 ton engines.
Pentagon has something like 10-15 pictures of what seems to be airplane parts? It barley damaged the building... what happened to the plane?
hellobruce
Sremmos80
we should have video of the third that hit the pentagon. Why hide the video of something we all know happened?
What evidence do you have that any video was hidden?
77 didn't nose dive like 93 but we see the same massive parts of the plane that should survive the crash not there like the wings, tail, 6 ton engines.
Why do you think the wings, tail and engines would survive hitting a building at speed?
Pentagon has something like 10-15 pictures of what seems to be airplane parts? It barley damaged the building... what happened to the plane?
You really have not done any research, have you. There are a lot more than 10-15 pictures....
911research.wtc7.net...
Here is a link to 1,202 exhibits admitted into evidence during the trial of U.S. v. Moussaoui,
www.vaed.uscourts.gov...
To claim there were only 10-15 photo's just shows how truthers like telling porkies about 9/11!
How do you explain the 757 engines, the 757 undercarriage, the 757 wheels, the 757 seats, the bodies and body parts with DNA matching the passengers on flight 77, the personal effects from passengers on flight 77 found in the wreckage?
If there was any doubt that it was flight 77 don't you think Moussaoui's lawyer would have objected?edit on 31-1-2014 by hellobruce because: (no reason given)
Sremmos80
Nothing conclusive that a boeing 757 was there.
And everything I see is from the same guys that completely botched the investigation in the first place, half those parts can't be traced back to 77 so who is to say that they came from it?
Why wouldn't the tail and wings survive? By the time the tail has reached the building it has been slowed down massively,
there isn't even that much damage to the part of the building where the tail and wings hit.
So if they didn't cause massive damage[ that would have destroyed them then where are they?
I don't think Moussaoui got a fair lawyer.