CIA Threatens 9/11 Researchers After Discovery Of Cover Up

reply to post by spooky24


And that's the problem. They don't give a # about what's really important, only protecting turf.

They lack self reflection, and internal inquiry in regards to the dastardly deeds of their organization, and so the blood never washes off, never comes clean.

Screw the dark, shadow government and their black bag, black op, psy-ops, and murderous false flag operations and all manner of double-dealing.

The "agency" or it's darker elements.. are the bane of human civilization.

They don't deserve to be lauded and there is no apologetics capable of justifying the actions that they've been involved in, and have fostered.

Bush Sr. comes to mind here and his history, the JFK assassination, and yes, 9/11, the worst atrocity of them all.

Agents of darkness, many of them.

That said i'm sure there are a lot of good agents and civil servants who work in and for the agency.

But a few real bad apples can corrupt the whole basket.


NAM

OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by MarioOnTheFly

 

It is not speculation.

It is well documented time and time again by the officials involved that poor inter-agency cooperation was a big contributing factor that resulted in the possibility that they might have missed the dots. Note how i said might. Even if they were all communicating and working together as we should expect them to do so today it is still possible that the intelligence pointing to the attacks could have been missed as a result of the volumes of intelligence that they receive.

The interagency thing is a lot of bunk. It was a convenient excuse that became part of the cover story. It provided the false impetus to give a single entity control over all the intel from all agencies. This position is appointed by the president and answers directly for the president. 911 was used as the excuse for intel sharing and the advent of the Director of National Intelligence. That's why they give the job to a lying sob like Clapper.

Ah,the Kuala Lumpur summit.To this day I still have trouble believing that the CIA just let Mihdhar and Hazmi slip through the cracks then turn up in California and with the help of a Saudi intelligence agent find room and board.They were allowed to run about the country.

If there are incidents that are hard to understand perhaps the infamous Phoenix memo stands out. FBI supervisors and their counterparts in the Justice Department decided against searching flight schools for Middle Eastern men because it would violate the law as it relates to racial profiling. If you remember-most don't-that summer the fervor over racial profiling was only out done by Americans demanding a 'Passenger Bill of Rights' to force airlines to remove time wasting security measures at airports.

There are some things I would like to say right here but I can't so I'll just say that so many have attitudes about the agency that are simply molded by what persons see on Television and movies. In many ways the misunderstanding is intentional as without a villain the show can't go on.

Another thread in the general conspiracies is a long, long discussion about the dangers of 'investigating conspiracies on ATS' with the notion that the government is watching all the 'arm chair investigators' so be careful they don't try to eliminate you.

That is nothing but disillusion, along with a sad form of histrionic disorder, that is so paranoid in it's proclamation that you begin to feel sorry for persons caught up in this collusion. I can't believe that grown people could be so mislead that they actually think the Government gives a puff in the wind what goes on here. Armed with google and youtube if they keep searching long enough they will find a document or video that will bring all the evil government vixens to their knees.

All the villains await this fantastic, lawbreaking disclosure that will finally bring justice for all to see as the impervious shadow agencies get their due. The evil CEO's, fat cats at the big banks, wall street swindlers, every single politician in the country, the military, the FBI, the Agency, anyone who is successful, anyone born into wealth as the list of evil doers will get what is coming to them-just one more google search and we will have them!!

Without a doubt some of this can be traced back to neurotic disorders however some can also just come from a warped attitude about life from what the kids call 'digital dweebs'. To a teenager any one who spends 8 hours or more in front of the television and on the internet and phone is simply beyond help as a digital dweeb. One of the things about this condition is a total loss of compounded events. While the professional Google searchers worry about being 'traced' for their 'work' they can't comprehend that in America there are over 400 jihad influenced websites, along with hundreds and thousands of other real threats that must be monitored each day. The list is long-The American Nazi party (which has tripled it's membership since the election) a dozen or more eco terrorist, the half crazy Irishmen are always up to something along with the bloodthirsty psychos at MS-13 who now use hundreds of websites to move their tons of heroin into America.

Those are problems-not the googlphiles

reply to post by spooky24

I can't believe that grown people could be so mislead that they actually think the Government gives a puff in the wind what goes on here.

excuse me...but whatever gave you idea that anyone here on ATS is affraid of the Gvt. comming to get them ?

If I ever had such notions...I wouldn't be posting here. If you are talking about some other thread...than please post where this is appropriate.

The evil CEO's, fat cats at the big banks, wall street swindlers, every single politician in the country, the military, the FBI, the Agency, anyone who is successful, anyone born into wealth as the list of evil doers will get what is coming to them-just one more google search and we will have them!!

Yeah...none of those listed....have ever...ever ever ever...been caught with their hands in the jar...

Yeah..CIA never did anything against the public interest. Never. Where do these crazy theories even come from ?

You are right...conspiracies don't exist...The government is always telling the truth. And half the world has a mental disorder for even thinking it they don't.


Thank you spooky...you have, with this post, solved everything.

Somebody please contact Skeptic Overlord and tell him that his site is useless...because crazy mental people post here about something that has never or will never exist.

reply to post by spooky24

There are some things I would like to say right here but I can't so I'll just say that so many have attitudes about the agency that are simply molded by what persons see on Television and movies. In many ways the misunderstanding is intentional as without a villain the show can't go on.

I don't think there are many members who rely on what we see on the television or movies as a resource for researching the deeds of the CIA or FBI. I find that whole statement a tad strange to be honest with you and more than a tad insulting to the research conducted by many people who have exposed what this organisation is all about.

Personally I think Clarke is trying to send the reporters down the wrong alley, but even if what he assumes is true, then the people involved should be dragged out and made to answer some very searching questions. Of course, I know this will not happen, they appear and act untouchable, probably because they are.

They certainly have blood on their hands and maybe, just maybe, history will out them for what they truly are/were.

Wrabbit2000
reply to post by soulwaxer

 

They never boarded any of the 4 flights that crashed, or can someone provide some proof that they did (besides a passport found in the streets of New York...)?

You honestly confuse me with some of your questions. This only happened a little over 10 years ago. Airports DID have cameras back then. It wasn't that long ago. These scumbags were filmed going through airport security. They were filmed in departure areas. There isn't any doubt they were at the airports and then...weren't. As if, they boarded a plane and took off.

Then their vehicles were found, about where expected, and with junk in those as well.

All this has been part of the open public record and discussion since shortly after it happened though? Were you not aware they were filmed that morning clearly and where one would expect they'd have been for what later happened?

You may need to read my questions better. Then maybe you won't be so confused.

I was asking for proof of the hijackers boarding those specific flights, not if they and their vehicles with whatever in them were present at the airport.

That nowhere near proves that they were on those specific flights. Are you not aware that covert groups are able to move people in and out of airports, bypassing security? It's not that hard, especially not in 2001. Just recently, at Brussels Airport, a group of around 6 men stole millions of euros worth of diamonds out of a plane on the tarmac getting ready for take off. If 6 criminals could pull that off, I'm sure that highly trained professionals working for a covert US government agency would be able to get a few men out of an airport. I worked at Brussels Airport for a year, post-911. I bypassed security several times, just to go have a smoke. If you have never worked at an airport, you don't have a clue.

And even assuming the "hijackers" were on those flights, the possibility of the planes being switched still stands strong. For all we know, they might have been involved in escorting the passengers to their unknown destination, wherever that would be.

But as I said in the other 911 thread going now, these details don't matter all that much when you have studied the destruction of the world trade center. You see, that's the trick to this whole puzzle, because it is so obvious. That's why I don't spend too much time on all the other details, they are just a distraction from the obvious in you face explosive dustification of wtc 1 and 2, and the dropping of building 7 like a brick.

My focus is on the still ongoing psychological operation aimed at the sheep.

soulwaxer

MarioOnTheFly
reply to post by spooky24

 

Yeah..CIA never did anything against the public interest. Never. Where do these crazy theories even come from ?

You are right...conspiracies don't exist...The government is always telling the truth. And half the world has a mental disorder for even thinking it they don't.


Thank you spooky...you have, with this post, solved everything.

Somebody please contact Skeptic Overlord and tell him that his site is useless...because crazy mental people post here about something that has never or will never exist.

Brilliant!

I have read many articles written by well-known mainstream scholars about "conspiracy theorists". Their view is that conspiracies DO NOT EXIST and anyone believing that they do is nuts.

What they don't seem to realize is that the official 911 theory is itself a conspiracy theory. The only difference between the official conspiracy theory and the true conspiracy theory is who was conspiring.

I am absolutely amazed that the majority of the public falls for that crap.

A message to the sheep:

There are a lot of people who are a lot smarter than you. They think on levels far above yours. This is why it is so easy for them to control you.

soulwaxer

reply to post by soulwaxer


I agree the planes were remotely guided to their targets. I think with computer guided programming, not by a human hand.

Have you ever looked out the window of a plane when you are flying and watched the ground below? Traveling at tens of thousands of feet and hundreds of miles an hour the ground goes by pretty fast, specific targets are hard to identify, and cloud cover to overcome.

Imagine amateur pilots flying across several states to then directly hit three targets, one at ground level after an incredible turn and descent. Without a competent navigator being off by a even a percentage of a degree they would miss the targets and never know it.

Anyone else find it interesting that there are so many site moderators/owners debunking in this and the other main 911-thread going at the moment?

- First it started with our well-known debunker members who show up on all of these threads.
- Then we got some newbie moderators.
- Then several super moderators, and a site owner.

Hell, we've even got a general in here after a long absence.

Kind of reminds me of some of the "Ask Me Anything" threads.

Hmmmm...

Just speculating of course, denying ignorance.

soulwaxer

reply to post by soulwaxer


Spammed by you in two threads and answered

here by me
www.abovetopsecret.com...

and here by SO
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Imagine people discussing subjects on a discussion board. Unheard of.

neformore
reply to post by soulwaxer

 

Spammed by you in two threads and answered

here by me
www.abovetopsecret.com...

and here by SO
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Imagine people discussing subjects on a discussion board. Unheard of.

Many of us are on both of these threads right now. They are interweaving.

Gotta go now. Will be back tomorrow.

soulwaxer

reply to post by spooky24


that was a whole lot of words to say nothing.

reply to post by soulwaxer


The condescension you're showing me and have shown others, coupled with the outright dismissiveness you've demonstrated toward anyone who doesn't agree with you has brought our side chat to an end, I'm afraid.

I love discussion. I just won't tolerate slogans and agendas. That's easily categorized by the blatant repeating of the same points over and over, ad naseum, as if sheer repetition alone will somehow change minds in a debate.

It is odd, as I'm rarely ever in this forum or this topic on ATS, but it's one of the few I really see this level of fanaticism to specific theories and such vicious defensiveness to mere opinion and conjecture.

I believe I'm going to bow out and watch the rest... I probably made the points I had to make awhile back, to be realistic.

Again I must watch myself here so I'll just stay focused on general matters. The warped mind of the DD is shown so plainly in the responses to my breaking your heart and finally making you come to grips with the fact that you are irrelevant when it comes to research if all you have is google.

How could any person believe that somewhere on google is the gold key to the crapper. Not only that but do you really think that anything that could harm the powers to be would just be left there for you to find? It didn't start out that way however the internet now is no longer the 'information super highway' that it was proclaimed to be. In 20 years more or less this once powerful search tool has been reduced to just what many thought it would-although not as bad as it has become.

The 2014 version of the internet is 60% pornography 35% advertisement and 5% information (the statistics on porn are mind blowing and difficult to accept however they are facts) . All you have to do in the 2014 "YOUR information superhighway" is click on anything physical and that information speeds around the globe in milliseconds and is permanently gathered into a profile of what you might buy in the future. Of course you have no say-so about this whatsoever.

Some of you have yet to experience this but you will soon enough. Of all the advertisements in America the one that absolutely will not take no for an answer is AARP. The moment you turn 50 the avalanche begins and it will not stop until you are dead. As an experiment I had one of the guys that works here on a new tablet account (Comcast) put the letters aarp in google then click search and cut off the machine. In less that 48 hours his mailbox was crammed with ads begging him to respond-then the phone calls started.

Just think about that for a moment. How is it possible that the marketeers knew all this information so fast? That is what the internet has regressed to--Your Information Superhighway.

How is this important? It's important to show that research using just google is hopelessly mired in a mass of data that it's only use is for advertising.

It matters none how many times I point this out because it elicits automatic denial and subject changing is the fact that 9/11 is the most detailed event in American history. No other event has had anywhere near the disclose of public information that has been released. About 98% of the documentation has been released. When persons call themselves a 'researcher' but then refuse to even consider all this evidence-they prefer the unreal, saturated and over burdened google-why? because they can always find a kindred spirit to reinforce their disillusions.

Before you change the subject just listen. There are over 352,000 9/11 documents that have been released to the public. Not a single one is on the internet. So, how can you call yourself a researcher if you refuse to look at 90% of the evidence?

My self and others have been working hard to get document disclose sections on 9/11 copied to Public Libraries. The library has two large sections of 'document outlines' however that is a drop in the bucket.

That is why I ride you guys so hard-because if your going to call yourself a researcher then you need more than 10% of the evidence.

reply to post by spooky24


Spooky , you are right about net , google, about over 352,000 9/11 documents that have been released to the public and not a single one is on the internet and on and on.But when something is obvious and clearly visible you can't deny.When i see someone hitting another man i don't need evidence on google or public libraries. I conclude that first man hit second man and i move along.When i saw first time WTC 7 that was that.This video is undebunkable.You can't debunk these words from Jowenko.

reply to post by xavi1000


He may well have been wrong. Have a look at this -www.debunking911.com...

neformore
reply to post by xavi1000

 

He may well have been wrong. Have a look at this -www.debunking911.com...

It says all the buildings inbetween WTC 7 and the towers were much smaller and had no fires which explains why they didn't fall but WTC-7 did. So fires are the major factor that caused the collapse. I fear this won't end well with the history of buildings falling from fire.
I enjoyed the read though, far too many ''It may have'' for me though.

reply to post by MarioOnTheFly


Yeah that was just one part that he uncovered. Also this guy while seeming honest was not going to answer any tough questions beyond making his friends seem incompetent, when he knows the score and knows how deep this goes. He is not going to say anything to get himself killed or worse. We still know they could not have been doing the flying that day so the CIA had to put more pilots on the planes or the Saudis did. We all know the Pentagon was a complete lie along with building 7. Also they made sure the buildings did fall through use of some new weapon that melted cars and firetrucks near by but did not break the glass in the windows, in the building the vehicles were right beside. Steal also does not disintegrate in mid air as well. The rogue CIA boys and others who planned this long before it happened and they got away with it for now. They all will answer to God!!

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Wrabbit,

I am truly sorry you feel that way. I have debated in a personal manner at times, but this is not one of them. Regarding this subject, I focus solely on common sense and logic, avoiding how the facts make me feel. Why am I so adamant in that? Because the subject could not be more important/serious. And because I already went through that when reality hit me in 2005.

To get to the truth, it is necessary to ask the hard questions, the ones that hurt. I had plenty of hurt when I went through that process. So I can definitely emphasize.

I used to try and convince family members of what I know. I don't do that anymore because I am so close to them, and I respect their own path in finding the truth. That's why I write about it on a conspiracy site, since most people here are already actively searching for the truth. I have learned that if someone is not yet actively and truly searching for themselves, then they are not ready to make the jump to accepting anything I say. First, they have to sort of stumble on something themselves, because that gives them a sense of control over their discovery.

Also, I don't see how anyone could be fanatic when defending reality in the name of justice.

soulwaxer