More than half of females in bootcamp cannot do 3 pull ups

reply to post by projectvxn


And do you talk in high esteem about how great it is over there? Or do you see things that you won't tell your family cause they just wouldn't understand? I think that is what she is getting at. That people that have done tours don't gloat and prance around about how great it was there. I was in the marines, I didn't go but every marine I talked to when he got back didn't really want to talk about what happens outside the FOB

reply to post by g146541


I watched the same video and thought to myself, is this what she signed up for?

That was a shocking video but somehow women have moved up the chain of aggression to at least look as though they are equal with men within the arena of strength.

Bodybuilding
Boxing
Mixed Martial Arts
Kick Boxing
Hockey
Football
Military
Hunting for sport
Check out youtube for girls getting in brawls....fights at bars, school yards and anywhere else a cell phone is...this is accepted behavior today.
Girls are more prone to join gangs in troubled areas...
Take any subway train or city bus and you will often hear the young girls talking as if they just came off of the construction site...

It was not long ago that women separated themselves from man because of the things we do but now those same attributes that portrayed us as testosterone fueled Neanderthals are now becoming part of the fabric of what is a woman today.

reply to post by pronto


Well brother,I wasn't in Vietnam(I joined in 99) but I was a 13 E cannon fire direction control specialist for the 19er8 towed 155 mm howitzer, my unit was the 2nd of 150th field artillery Bn, known as the avengers of Batton in the Phillipines.

From the old timers, and the unit history stories I believe I would owe you Aussies a beer or two, you guys showed true grit, honor and valor beyond measure in the face of determined enemy forces, and you helped save a lot of my battle buddies......a debt my country still owes you guys.

I agree totally with everything you said in your post, thanks for your kind words, and I hope to one day drink a few with the likes of you and your fellow soldiers.

Artillery men do it with a bigger bang!

The gun line gets laid every morning!

Don't run, you will just die tired!

STEEL RAIN!

reply to post by ValerieDivusen


A dog doesn't choose to be a dog, but it is not a man or a woman, this is the real world here.

Women are not as physically capable as men, this is once again reality knocking here.

I don't know what movies or video games you base your world view on, but in reality.....well tech plays a minor role in war, it is still all about foot soldiers, and every piece of tech and every job in the military still exists for the sole reason of supporting them.

This is the reality of things, there can never be a victory without boots on the ground to hold it, this requires close quarters combat, and the physical ability to a lot of things like lift yourself and or your battle buddies up a broken flight of stairs with equipment, jump in or out of windows with equipment, lift odd shaped and often heavy objects, carry odd burdens etc....

Reality is not drone warfare, it is still right now all about the infantry, just as it always has been. All other military roles are makeup, garnish, trimmings or however you prefer to think of them.

I was an artillery man for 6 years, we are known as "the king of battle", for having killed more folks than any other weapon of war in history, we have still never won a single battle, only the infantry can do that, which is different but still quite similar to the way it was in every other war, up close personal and physical.

Kangaruex4Ewe
reply to post by OpinionatedB

 

(((OB)))

She sounds like me. I am tiny myself and just now reached a time in my life where I hit 100 pounds on the scale without being 6 months pregnant.

I have spent my whole life trying to prove that I could do a lot more than people ASSumed I could. It's a source of pride for us smaller folks I believe.

To make a long story short (my sergeant in ROTC) always told me, that it wasn't the size of the dog in the fight.... it was the size of the fight in the dog. That has stuck with me till this day.

Pure willpower and heart can go a hell of a long way for sure.

A quote that has stuck with me for a few years now actually comes from a video game, call of duty, modern warfare2.

"sure it matters who is swinging the biggest stick, but it matters a hell of a lot more who is swinging it"

There is no single greater thing known to man, than a man ( or woman) who doesnt give up, "persist, and prosper".

It isnt just a fancy PC phrase, it is reality, can some women out perform men in combat, absolutely!!!

Should all women be granted "special" concessions so they can be in combat among men, absolutely not!!!!!!!!!

reply to post by chrismarco


They better not be my battle buddy!! A female who cannot physically perform to the male standards should not be in a combat MOS PERIOD. I absolutely have NO PROBLEM with females who can perform to currently male standards- I love them One standard for all - it is discriminatory yes it is and rightly so

reply to post by sjorges2002


i don't think women have any place in the field of battle. They are a weak link, period. If a group is ever captured that has a woman in it, that woman will be there downfall due to the natural desire to protect... and no man should be trying to kill that part of them. That is a natural fact of life and it is something necessary, and you cannot dare kill that in you.

Also, same situation in battle, being too worried about protecting the woman in your group which distracts from the fighting, in such a battle situation you cannot ever be distracted... NOTHING can distract you...

and again, we cannot allow soldiers to kill such a base instinct, if they killed that part of them I don't think they would be fit to come home after the war... seriously... once you kill it its dead. It doesn't come back.

Women can be a benefit, but the benefit does NOT outweigh the detriment. It never will.

This is my opinion, and I know many will disagree with me, my daughter did when she was young, but she was young, she didn't know better then...

sjorges2002
reply to post by chrismarco

 

They better not be my battle buddy!! A female who cannot physically perform to the male standards should not be in a combat MOS PERIOD. I absolutely have NO PROBLEM with females who can perform to currently male standards- I love them

One standard for all - it is discriminatory yes it is and rightly so

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It isnt discrimination if the job requires X and someone cant perform the function to the standard,it is a lacking on their part, either of physical ability or even worse commitment to perform the task.

I am not an NFL athlete, the NFL should not lower their standards just because I am not physically able, even though I want to perform the role.

The role exists, you can fill it if your able, or you can not, gender matters not.

If one must do X to accomplish a task, it doesnt matter if they are male or female, it matters if they can do it or not.

If they can, great!!!! If they cannot, tough cookies, life isnt fare.

Lowering the bar only makes it more likely we lose more lives so that we comply with retarded PC ignorance.

Sremmos80
reply to post by projectvxn

 

And do you talk in high esteem about how great it is over there? Or do you see things that you won't tell your family cause they just wouldn't understand? I think that is what she is getting at. That people that have done tours don't gloat and prance around about how great it was there. I was in the marines, I didn't go but every marine I talked to when he got back didn't really want to talk about what happens outside the FOB

We're talking about physical fitness here. That is the context. Not whether anyone wants to talk about what happens outside the FOB.

reply to post by OpinionatedB


you dont know any OUTSTANDING women- but I see your POV i just think U R wrong

reply to post by sjorges2002


lol....

reply to post by projectvxn


Well ya thats what this post is about, you went off topic with another user and i was responding to that conversation. So yes when you take what I had and apply it to the op thread, it doesn't make sense.

reply to post by projectvxn


In my experience, most people who talk up a big game about "the battlefield" have never truly been there. If they had, they wouldn't hold combat in such high esteem.


Have you been there? Because I'm here now.

Thats the comment i was replying to..

reply to post by Sremmos80



I see. So in your "experience" of never having deployed huh? What gloating have I done exactly? I keep reading you and others posting the words "in my experience" and yet you don't actually seem to have any. Which is what MY comment was alluding to...Also, I'm posting from Afghanistan now. Just 4 more months to go and I'm home.



Stick to the topic or move on.

reply to post by projectvxn


So, when I said "in my experince" it was dealing with females and the PFT, which I have plenty , ran countless PFT and CFTs, so yes when i said it in regards to the OP it does fit. NEVER did i say i have experience overseas.
And no you haven't done any gloating about it, that was exactly the point both me and the other user, that you got off topic with and i responded, were getting at. So thank you for proving the point, and work on your context


Note: Didn't even type the word experience in my original post to you. So please stop taking my words out of context.

reply to post by OpinionatedB


I understand your point and it does make sense- just not sure if the instinct you describe is really that or a cultural construct. If instinct you are likely right and former soldiers could be unfit after "killing the instinct to protect women'. If cultural construct then the women who can pass these standards will be able to define their own roles - they and the men they work with will create their own cultural construct.

reply to post by chrismarco


Different muscle groups are used for pushups and pullups. When I was in basic back in 96 is was not necessary for us to do even 1 that I can recall. This is not new. But let me tell ya, we still had to carry the same stuff in our ruck sacs for the same distance. I could do 40 something pushups in 2 minutes and 70 situps in 2 minutes. I had to run 2 miles in 14 minutes....So what if I could not do a pullup.

Isn't it also true that because of gendered body cultures (and especially advertising and the media) women are more likely to suffer from anorexia to various degrees, while men increasingly have bigorexia?

That is, many women may not have exercised those specific muscle groups before, whereas many men would have in some way.

reply to post by Sremmos80


My apologies for the time between my answer for you as this thread escaped me.

Anyway, did you just seriously ask me if I knew how a period works and then proceed to tell me that women skip a period in high stress situations; as if that is some kind of rule? I can't tell you how many chicks (forgive me for using "chicks" interchangeably with "women" as it's done affectionately) I have seen in high stress situations that are still regular to the day. I can however tell you that just because a chick is deployed for an entire year in a high stress situation, does not mean that when nature says its time to discard an egg and a uterine lining it's just going to magically NOT happen. I can also tell you that I've seen women skip 3 months for no apparent reason. Your response literally baffles me. Are you even a woman? If you are I would love to see you skip showering for two weeks encompassing your period and let me know how things smell. Oh and make sure you deal with your bio-hazard as though you were in an applicable environment.

rockn82
reply to post by Sremmos80

 

My apologies for the time between my answer for you as this thread escaped me.

Anyway, did you just seriously ask me if I knew how a period works and then proceed to tell me that women skip a period in high stress situations; as if that is some kind of rule? I can't tell you how many chicks (forgive me for using "chicks" interchangeably with "women" as it's done affectionately) I have seen in high stress situations that are still regular to the day. I can however tell you that just because a chick is deployed for an entire year in a high stress situation, does not mean that when nature says its time to discard an egg and a uterine lining it's just going to magically NOT happen. I can also tell you that I've seen women skip 3 months for no apparent reason. Your response literally baffles me. Are you even a woman? If you are I would love to see you skip showering for two weeks encompassing your period and let me know how things smell. Oh and make sure you deal with your bio-hazard as though you were in an applicable environment.

Its not going to magically not happen, its nature.... If the body does not have the energy to carry out the process due to it dealing with other aspects it doesn't happen. I have known plenty of females that have been deployed and were not regular, as yes some that were. And a guy doesn't smell like roses when he hasn't showered for 2 weeks, and in a combat situation, which is the only time the smell could threaten lives. You don't let your body let that smell out. The military knows what wet naps are, boot camp, well when i went through, has a month dedicated to the feild. Guess what, you don't have a shower. You wipe your self down while your dropping a duce.... Men smell just as bad if you apply the same 2 week time and obviously take the period out. Oh and as of disposing, you have to dig a hole away from everyone to take a dump, just as deadly to a human as a tampon or pad would be, and dispose of it that way.