Scientists searching the Internet for evidence of timetravelers

reply to post by solargeddon


Sweet! Thanks!

Time Travel might never work,

SIMPLY because our concept of "time" may be as wrong as was our earlier concepts of atoms.

Since the advent of quantum mechanics, we know that things are NOT as they seem, better even..that "things" change and are directly affected by the observer. (There is no such thing as a "electron orbiting a nucleus", there is no such thing as light which "is" a particle or which "is" a wave.)

The second we look at it, it changes.

The same thing with time.

We cannot "look at" time objectively since it changes the instant we look at it.

We cannot observe "the present" since "the present" instantly becomes past. What we can look at is either the future or the past, but both of them are subjective, not "real" if you will. Nothing in the future or past objectively "is" or "exists", things "in the future" only come into existence/become true once this "future" has become present, but then the instant we realize this it already has "become" past.

Obviously, the idea of traveling from A to B becomes a little tricky once it's realized that A and B don't even exist...maybe that's why time travel may be impossible in the same way as it's impossible to record the position of electron.

reply to post by Bedlam


Never saw either of those movies either. I just looked them up. I guess knowing about Movies is not one of my strong points.

We know that time travel in the forward direction exists it happens to all of us. Time travel can be accelerated into the future by traveling at near the speed of light. Unfortunately those time travelers can only return to the far future.

If the time travel device action was linear from the surface of the planet you would re-appear in space where the planet had been or wasn't to yet. This little item seems to constantly sidestepped by all of the pundits. This means not only would the device have to move you directionally in time it would also have to move you very accurately in space.

If a device could communicate with the past what stops all of the future signals from coming in at the same time? Distorting any value in the gibberish combination of all messages coming in at once.

Conjecture: If black energy pushes out against gravity and "normal" matter what kind of effect could a concentration of such energy create? What kind of space-time dragging is happening with that exotic matter?

All thought experiments with out any solid foot hold within our present reality or my expertise.

MystikMushroom
I don't think you can travel backwards in time. It's already happened and no longer exists. This is probably why we haven't met anyone from the future.

Now, you could freeze yourself or go near the speed of light to travel into the future...

If we could travel back in time, we'd see evidence of it beyond some black and white images of some old fogey covering his ears from the wife giving him an earful for not trimming his fantastic moustache.

Unless by going back in time we create a new time line, in which case, it is pointless travelling back in time to do anything we've all fantasised about doing. Effectively, we don't get to change the future by travelling into the past.

We do travel forward in time. Slowly.

Can we travel forward in time, jumping over time to get somewhere else apart from a place directly attached to the moment before we left? It would still be pointless, unless we did so just to escape today.

Time and space may coexist as a single point (point being nothing more than a concept) in higher dimensions, but as we are stuck in this dimension, we'll never break that barrier. We may be able to change perspective to alter the appearance of time.. but the hour hand will only ever point to where it is on the clock at the moment we look at it, despite the clock having all hours of the day contained within it.

And we always look to what we have now as the pinnacle of everything we will ever do. Scour the internet for time travellers. What if the time travellers skipped this insignificant little blurb in the footnote of all history, and are spending all their time in the cyber-network of the future.

Bit like someone in the 1300's asking if the first printing press had evidence of time travellers on it, and not realising the typewriter would surpass it. It's only asked, because it's where we're at now, and obviously anyone from the future would know it's the best time in history.

AliceBleachWhite

St Udio

---then that's when the Creator interveens and sends humanity back to the hunter gatherer society that cannot unbalance the created universe

I disagree with this assertion.
From my perspective, some insignificant self-aware, self conscious, curious monkeys on some insignificant speck of dust travelling around a distant position in one of the arms of a Galaxy filled with hundreds of Billions of other planets and stars, in a Universe with Hundreds of Billions of other Galaxies with their very own Hundreds of Billions of planets and stars means nothing.

I am so building a time machine to travel into the future so that I can find your brain in a jar and marry it.

I swear if there is such a thing as twins of the mind, you're the good looking one to my evil kept-in-the-attic deformed one

reply to post by AliceBleachWhite


No you're going crazy. Sliders. You do know that they took the evil professor along with them when they accidentally left the good one on that alternate earth that was close.

Oh they really did it then.

Did they ever make it home before they got cancelled?

I will have to create an iHole and fold the internet-time continuum in on itself so that I can travel back in time and watch these episodes online. Only when the html code from both iTimes match up will the answer to life, the universe and everything be revealed.

I used to use dejanews.. That was option explicit

We live in a dimension on the surface of the planet, any deviation from that dimension is time travel. A good example of this is found when astronauts return to the surface of the planet out of sync with their previous presence on the surface. More on this topic is found on NASA's web site, and why their return required to be timed to their departure to remain in sync with the dimension we exist in on the surface, that is if it has not been censored. Another example is the Atomic Clock experiment conducted onboard the Space Shuttle, the clock was found to have a different time than that of the Atomic Clock that remained on the surface during the experiment. These are minor forms of time travel, but it was and is just the beginning of time travel for humans.

reply to post by 0bserver1




Here's the PROOF. Hope U guys on ATS are smart enough 2 understand!!!!

What I'm more curious about, taking that time-travel is possible, is how the future gets affected if you affect the past. Or does this question partially proof that you can only travel into the future, and not into the past?

reply to post by Jed212


That's weird. . Cool though..

reply to post by solargeddon


Thanks really interesting..

The easiest time travel to do, if you could call it that, is to send information electronically. No mass involved, just energy. But if you do that, you have to send it to a time where it can be received, so calling the dinosaurs to tell them to watch the skies isn't going to work.

However, if you send a message from the future to the dawn of the internet, then you got something.

To me, John Titor, would have been more believable if he was sending information from the future from a special computer, instead of a time traveling corvette, or whatever the car was.

reply to post by 0bserver1


As the energy requirement for COMS decreases the ability to transmit thru Time inreases- its a;most an information/quantumn theory corrollary oh wait, it is really

whyamIhere
Yet they won't even look a the study of UFO's.

Seems like much more to study....Unless?

From the paper referenced in the original post:

5. Requests for Time Travelers to Issue a Prescient Internet Communication
In addition to searching for prescient information that time travelers might have left archived passively on the Internet, another approach used was to make a request for time travelers to actively respond to a request for a prescient communication. The main idea was not to converse with individual time travelers, but rather to encourage a single interchange indicating that time travel has become possible in the future. The versatility of this approach allowed for the inclusion of additional information about whether time travel can alter these authors' past.

A similar search for aliens on the internet took place over a decade ago as I mentioned in this thread over in Aliens & UFOs: ATS: "Have We Got a Message from ET?" - Three Dress Rehearsals for Contact Online

The invitation is open to any extraterrestrials who might be lurking on the internet: www.ieti.org...

Note if you tried to find this site by using search terms like "ET contact website" you will get nonsense like Jame Gilliland''s ECETI, Stephen Greer's CSETI, etc.

No thread on Time Travel is complete without this informative video from Arizona State University professor Paul Davies:

Found one!



They did not have mobile phones back then...

MystikMushroom
I don't think you can travel backwards in time. It's already happened and no longer exists. This is probably why we haven't met anyone from the future.

Now, you could freeze yourself or go near the speed of light to travel into the future...

Well if that were the case, then wouldn't you be stuck in the future, because the past had already happened before you got to the future?

iRoyalty
Found one!

They did not have mobile phones back then...

This has been debunked to death. If I recall correctly what the person is holding is some kind of listening device. I will have to look. It does look like it may be a cell phone, but it is not.

Here is one of many links, there is one article I have read that names the person and shows the device, but I am not going to search too hard right now....sorry....
www.csmonitor.com...

I was thinking about this just the other day and I thought " If we see light from other stars that are possibly no longer even there due to the amount of time it takes their light to reach us" would it not be the same for the light that earth gives off. If I were on that distant star, looking at earth, perhaps I would see Ben Franklin walking around because that image barely got there. If you go out far enough, maybe you would see Jesus