Curiosity: Potential Anomalies (Update 01/2014)

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Not the "just Rocks' crowd here :-)

Good shot of that on page 25 looks like we had fun with that area for many pages.

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are a cluster of cosmic ray strikes even viable to create the width we see?,

Don't need a cluster. A single strike can do it.

The energy of the cosmic ray saturates the pixel it hits and the "extra" energy bleeds to surrounding pixels. I like the "bucket" analogy:

What happens when a bucket fills up to the brim with water? It overflows. The same thing happens in CCDs. A pixel can only hold so many electrons before it overflows. Because of the way the pixels are made, the overflow goes into the adjoining pixels horizontally, so the overflowing pixel leaks electrons into the pixels to its left and right (or above and below it). If enough light is hitting the one pixel, it can overflow the adjacent pixels, which flow into the next ones, and so on.

www.badastronomy.com...

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Thanks Phage, that clears up the mystery.

Do you have any thoughts about the Mars stuff since you discovered something quite interesting and left before we could have a good analysis of it. Some of these things, not hundreds but I'd put a rough guess at 15 to 20 quite interesting object images, might be at least appropriate and interesting enough for a professional geologist or marine biologist to take a look at. One of these objects now has its own thread, the newest Arken thread, and that's one that I actually give some chance to of being a fossil. Slight, sure, it is another world that we are trying to ascertain a biological history from - if any - and bit by bit the Rover mission has proven that at least some of the ingredients were there in that lake (more like a sea when full - and ah, a thought just came to me, has anyone ever figured out the tidal influences of Mars' moons on a body of water like the ancient Gale Lake/Ocean?). So if anything evolved to leave traces (and we can never be sure about these larger items unless humans visit this exact spot, and by that time the question will be answered) on Curiosity's mission all we can do on earth concerning the subject of traces of advanced or semi-advanced former biological life in the Martian fossil record is eyesight discovery and analysis. Would be nice if you could join us for awhile, the last time was fun (I don't know if you have yet to analyze your discovery).

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any ideas on the suns activity's around them days ?,the odds on high solar activity must be high then , if we have two similar but separate cosmic ray strikes, but I think you're both right, looking at the pixels in close ... ( another great advantage to zooming to identify) I see it is one pixel as ArMaP stated that is 255,255,255.then the following pixel 252,252,252 (still a strong overflow captain I dunni think she can take it ) then falling to 239,239,239 , with a sudden drop in the next pixel of 177,177,177 , then a decrease of 28 to all three numbers on the next pixel ..

just a coincidence really that it falls on two photos in roughly the same place at different angles.. but then what would life be like without those little coincidences ?

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Want to see some really unnatural looking stuff...this is a favorite of mine.
example


areo.info...

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looks a little mechanical looking, although the contrast in the photo is terrible, not much I could do to alter it really , just an over exposed shot , not bad though for something controlled so far away



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cheers for the breakdown ArMaP , I've missed it so much

what I was referring to in the shutters, was between left and right navs, surely a whole day didn't pass between photos?.. did the light only show up in the one camera ? .. but anyway , unnecessary to do any gif animated comparisons , its just an unusual fluke , appearing in two different angles in roughly the same region...maybe


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see it is one pixel as ArMaP stated that is 255,255,255.then the following pixel 252,252,252 (still a strong overflow captain I dunni think she can take it
) then falling to 239,239,239 , with a sudden drop in the next pixel of 177,177,177 , then a decrease of 28 to all three numbers on the next pixel

Such analysis really is pointless with a jpg. You aren't seeing original values.

any ideas on the suns activity's around them days ?,the odds on high solar activity must be high then

The most energetic cosmic rays don't come from the Sun.

just a coincidence really that it falls on two photos in roughly the same place at different angles

Roughly...ok
But they do appear in entire different locations within the frame.

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its not my birthday is it ? two breakdowns in one day , I must stop using question marks

well Phage , the pictures are as they are , not much can be said about that that hasn't already been said.. o well

The most energetic cosmic rays don't come from the Sun.

are you suggesting here, that the cosmic rays* are coming from somewhere in that location ... * tricorder at standby sir *

Roughly...ok
But they do appear in entire different locations within the frame.

not sure what you mean by that?

the way I see it is that the camera angle and the rover has shifted between picture,
I see that the strikes were made from a tangent that ascribes to roughly the same region .. coincidence of course

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I see that the strikes were made from a tangent that ascribes to roughly the same region

Huh?


But don't you wonder why the "object" would not appear in the left NAVCAM image which was taken at the same time?
mars.jpl.nasa.gov...

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ahh, now that's the question I asked ArMaP about the shutters, are they synced or is there a delay ?

and that's between the two cameras, left and right , before there's any confusion

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Somemetal looking rock at 6 oclock. mars.jpl.nasa.gov...

reply to post by funbox

If there's a delay it's less than a second so if it is an actual something it would have been quite brief for one to catch it and the other not.

There are other examples of cosmic ray strikes you know.

Phage
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If there's a delay it's less than a second so if it is an actual something it would have been quite brief for one to catch it and the other not.

There are other examples of cosmic ray strikes you know.

like the one in the bottom left corner of this pic? mars.jpl.nasa.gov...

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a lot can happen in less than a second ,

indeed there is , how are the soho threads of late ? many interestingly shaped sensor strikes ? breasts , phalluses ? just not the same as a good ole mars anomaly

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a lot can happen in less than a second

Yes. But I guess you can hold on to the idea that the images are not simultaneous if it helps.

In this image there is a pot like thing with a hole. Its just left of center and up a bit. mars.jpl.nasa.gov... and i think i see a stone eye in the bottom right corner.

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Take a look and see if you think it is a possibility. assume no preconceived thoughts that this is impossible...
Also, I do not believe, even for a second that these things are there on Mars. It is being edited in with software. Rocks simply do not grow into car parts.. I'll be posting a very clear image of a V6 engine block with the heads off and the pistons are still in and visible, in one of these recent mars images.. I'm not joking. Near that is a connecting rod and main bearing journal caps with bolts.. as clear as a bell..

This just for comparison, It is what I think is CGI of that item in the image..for all the whys and buts and how's, I do not have that info.


I am positive that is not an optical illusion because that pivot pin arm goes right through the wrench lever, at least to me it does.
I couldn't find an image that shows the foot pad off so you could see if it has similar slot and bolt hole to retain the foot pad. I believe it would be an almost perfect match though..

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and here's me thinking you had found a sabre



a diagonal sensor strike ?

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what I was referring to in the shutters, was between left and right navs, surely a whole day didn't pass between photos?..

Sorry, I got confused.

The photos from the left and right cameras have the same time stamp (449700848), so they were probably taken at exactly the same time, but I'm not sure, I have to check.

did the light only show up in the one camera ?

Yes, the right camera, one photo from Sol 588 the other from Sol 589.