Curiosity: Potential Anomalies (Update 01/2014)

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lots of little white chunks in that, its not what the robotic arm was imaging in sol 571 was it ?
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White chunks, yep, very interesting ... I don't think it's been imaged by MAHLI up to now, I've also seen these formations with concretions and deposits in a sol 542 image:

NASA/JPL Source Image
Image is white-balanced, also looks very 'marine' in nature ...

I was watching a programme the other day , on underwater lava formations , is that what we are seing in some of these irregular amorphous rocks ? only hit hard with surface erosion after the water disappeared ?

underwater lava is an excellent visual munch

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A lot of these areas do remind me of dead coral reefs and sponges.

Well, I'm not really all that interested in pareidolia. As a kind of intellectual exercise, I'm looking for things in the images that could plausibly be the fossilized remains of an actual thing that could have existed or evolved at some distant time in a watery environment. Sponge or coral growths. Shells. That kind of thing. So rather than looking for statues and faces, I'm generally looking for things with unusual (at least to me) symmetry or possible segmentation, or logarithmic spirals. Something a living creature could make that would be unlikely to occur by another natural process.

Maybe like this. It doesn't look like anything I know of. It's not pareidolia. But you can see a possible central body topped by antennae or tentacles, perhaps like a large hydra. Could even be a little waste tube at the bottom. It even looks like it came out of a broken open rock, which could be another indication that it's not a weathering artifact.

mars.jpl.nasa.gov...]http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00572/mcam/0572M L2318003000E1_DXXX.jpg

Could be something. Probably not. Interesting, though.

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yeah and the shiny thing on the rock or next to it ... hard to tell what that is




im,not sure if where the one is you found, at the front ?

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yeah and the shiny thing on the rock or next to it ... hard to tell what that is

im,not sure if where the one is you found, at the front ?

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Yes right on the left side of the Reef like area.

Stunning how many shapes are the same as what we are seeing on Mars and the fossil corals and sea life.

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When exporting images do you add the extension?

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Well, I'm not really all that interested in pareidolia. As a kind of intellectual exercise, I'm looking for things in the images that could plausibly be the fossilized remains of an actual thing that could have existed or evolved at some distant time in a watery environment. Sponge or coral growths. Shells. That kind of thing. So rather than looking for statues and faces, I'm generally looking for things with unusual (at least to me) symmetry or possible segmentation, or logarithmic spirals. Something a living creature could make that would be unlikely to occur by another natural process.

Maybe like this. It doesn't look like anything I know of. It's not pareidolia. But you can see a possible central body topped by antennae or tentacles, perhaps like a large hydra. Could even be a little waste tube at the bottom.

mars.jpl.nasa.gov...]http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00572/mcam/0572M L2318003000E1_DXXX.jpg

Could be something. Probably not. Interesting, though.

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Since I sculpt I end up looking and in three separate areas feel I have found, broken pottery and statues they have been broken nearly beyond recognition, but I believe they are there. I hope someday I will know one way or another. I also look for anything that stands out as pattern beyond the usual rock forms.

How does one prove or disprove pareidolia when we are talking about a planet we cannot even see clearly photos. I think it is just not right to rule things out when it is still unclear what can or can't be or has been in existence on Mars.

Blue Shift
It's not pareidolia.

It can always be pareidolia, but that's a good find.

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When exporting images do you add the extension?

No I just saved them and hoped to open them with another program then resave with another extension.

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well that's was my initial thoughts on Jeeps rock and many of the other rocks , lava formed underwater, eroded/fedupon by crustacians? and finally weathered , for that off beaten track look

question is how hardy would corals be to atmospheric weathering, would we see anything recognisable after say , 50.000 years ?

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Event this which i chose to interpret as bone could be a type of mollusc.

It has all smooth points while everything else around the area was sharp, so it stood out in more than one way.

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Gimp uses the less common method of deciding the file type based on the file extension (although I think it also lets the user choose the file type at the bottom of the export window), so try to save the file and add a ".jpg" or ".png" at the end.

Blue Shift
Well, I'm not really all that interested in pareidolia. As a kind of intellectual exercise, I'm looking for things in the images that could plausibly be the fossilized remains of an actual thing that could have existed or evolved at some distant time in a watery environment. Sponge or coral growths. Shells. That kind of thing. So rather than looking for statues and faces, I'm generally looking for things with unusual (at least to me) symmetry or possible segmentation, or logarithmic spirals. Something a living creature could make that would be unlikely to occur by another natural process.

Maybe like this. It doesn't look like anything I know of. It's not pareidolia. But you can see a possible central body topped by antennae or tentacles, perhaps like a large hydra. Could even be a little waste tube at the bottom. It even looks like it came out of a broken open rock, which could be another indication that it's not a weathering artifact.

mars.jpl.nasa.gov...]http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00572/mcam/0572M L2318003000E1_DXXX.jpg

Could be something. Probably not. Interesting, though.

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It is finds like this that the thread is in business for. In between these discoveries many of us like to play, and post pics of martian mice and faces and goblins, but when a quality discovery is made, one which "could be something" on the order of even 1% chance, it allows us to share the wonderment of believing that maybe our neighboring planet held, at one time or another, once living entities who shared the universe with us.

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you've found some interesting one's Blueshift, your no zoom policy reveals even more when you do zoom .... to an extent of course



I know , you hate it

why do I always think of marvin when I see your avatar

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you've found some interesting one's Blueshift, your no zoom policy reveals even more when you do zoom .... to an extent of course

I know , you hate it

why do I always think of marvin when I see your avatar

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Can you describe what you did on the "shiny" picture to make the detail and relief stand out? Is this just a color adjustment, etc? Thanks. Nice work.

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well that's was my initial thoughts on Jeeps rock and many of the other rocks , lava formed underwater, eroded/fedupon by crustacians?

and finally weathered , for that off beaten track look

question is how hardy would corals be to atmospheric weathering, would we see anything recognisable after say , 50.000 years ?

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Life including shells could have had a different composition than on Earth. They did find that ancient stream bed, they have not tested every patch of rock and earth.
Still we are looking at possible fossils so what was it like before when they were more vulnerable... before fossilization.

But it is interesting how many long thin objects and objects precariously seeming attached to the ground by a single point. With high winds and 100% humidity at night and all of the other factors it seems interesting that they hold up.

So have we seen other types of rock.

Scientists are studying the images of stones cemented into a layer of conglomerate rock.

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you've found some interesting one's Blueshift, your no zoom policy reveals even more when you do zoom .... to an extent of course

I know , you hate it

why do I always think of marvin when I see your avatar

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Wow that is beautiful!

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in photoshop , aauto levels , and some curves adjustment to make it darker

nothing too dramatic, a kind of spectral analysis if you will



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Interesting: www.science20.com...

The article half way down this page is really interesting.
Life on the Atacama desert

(it is where I saw the new radio telescope)

Originally it was thought, you could only have dormant life that relied on the very rare rains here. But now it's known that life there can survive without any rain at all.

ife relying on deliquescing salt has also been found 2 or more meters below the surface of the Atacama desert. They use mixtures of halite and perchlorates for deliquescence, and they use sulfates, perchlorates (ClO4), and nitrates, together with organic acids such as acetate, or formate, as sources of energy. Quite Mars like conditions really.

Atacama desert sure looks like Mars

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that top pic almost looks like gale creator , bright blue sky too , spot on

Life including shells could have had a different composition than on Earth. They did find that ancient stream bed, they have not tested every patch of rock and earth.
Still we are looking at possible fossils so what was it like before when they were more vulnerable... before fossilization.

But it is interesting how many long thin objects and objects precariously seeming attached to the ground by a single point. With high winds and 100% humidity at night and all of the other factors it seems interesting that they hold up.

So have we seen other types of rock.

things do seem more tougher and yet , its amazing to see the wheels shredded like they are , some of them rocks must be like diamonds , yet some shatter like frozen toffee , quite a mixture up there

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This certainly looks familiar to me now days.
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