Curiosity: Potential Anomalies (Update 01/2014)

symptomoftheuniverse
You want signs armap?lol Who/what built mount sharp? A huge mountain in a huge crater,thats a first for me. Any other examples in the solar system?

According to the people that studied it, water built it, as it looks like a mountain made by sediments moved there by water. That's why the rover is supposed to take a look at it.

ArMaP

Justwatchingyou
Wouldn't that defeat evolution? To continue to go deeper and deeper to live rather than adapting to survive your current conditions?

I don't think so, wouldn't it be easier to keep on following the progressive changes of the environment they were used to instead of changing to a new one?

In that case would life not be found around the undersea vents?

Char-Lee
In that case would life not be found around the undersea vents?

On Earth? Only if the changes in the environment were fast and life hadn't evolved to live in different environments.

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I think MRO will be back on track soon (fingers crossed) ... in the meantime (while waiting for new uploads) here some more illustrations of Mars' watery past:


And the view from Twin Cairns (Source Image):

ETA: Yes, Mars probably had much more water, but for a start I didn't want to stretch it too far (no martian fauna yet, apologies). And by the way: if anyone needs a good chart for identifying unknown fossils by their shape, just let me know ...

ArMaP

Char-Lee
In that case would life not be found around the undersea vents?

On Earth? Only if the changes in the environment were fast and life hadn't evolved to live in different environments.

That was my point, fast changes like the opening of the undersea vents leads to changes in life forms that did not prior to that live in these conditions. There are now many known examples of very quick change when environment changes.

Deep-sea bacteria form the base of a varied food chain that includes shrimp, tubeworms, clams, fish, crabs, and octopi. All of these animals must be adapted to endure the extreme environment of the vents -- complete darkness; water temperatures ranging from 2°C (in ambient seawater) to about 400°C (at the vent openings); pressures hundreds of times that at sea level; and high concentrations of sulfides and other noxious chemicals.

science1.nasa.gov...

All of these life forms exist in completely different environments so must have adjusted as the vents opened.

I remember seeing a Discovery channel program, about a large lake that was land locked but the sea poured over and into it each day with the tides. The lake was full of jelly fish who fed on the creatures brought by the sea. Eventually the tides no longer pushed into this fresh water lake but did the jelly fish die? no They began surfacing at a certain time of day and absorbing energy directly from sunlight. They thrived and multiplied.

Rapid evolution of novel forms: Environmental change triggers inborn capacity for adaptation

www.sciencedaily.com...

funbox
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no worries , the link that had the panorama works, the marsimal looks a bit like a dead stoat

looking at the others now

funBox

I think he is sunbathing and still alive!

Char-Lee
Interesting was looking at Rover, see that single thread wonder what that is.

mars.jpl.nasa.gov...

Does anyone know what causes splotches is it water?

mars.jpl.nasa.gov...

Figured out the first photo, it is an illusion there is a piece of metal in the crack and the edge give an illusion of a thin line.

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I am thinking seriously that this is not natural. it must be extremely rare for such look alikes. I think we would all do well to get more aquanted with fossils like teeth and jawbones because i think we have already seen a few. there are ton of kinds and some are really odd even for here on earth!

The small piece below the larger "teeth" set, looks like it was once above and the roots are showing of the teeth.



www.thefossilforum.com.../topic/34043-jawbone-with-teeth-id-help-needed/

This object is interesting but to dark to see even when i tried lighening it.

mars.jpl.nasa.gov...



So is this if Rover didn't do it somehow.


mars.jpl.nasa.gov...

Char-Lee

 

This object is interesting but to dark to see even when i tried lighening it.
mars.jpl.nasa.gov...

So is this if Rover didn't do it somehow.
mars.jpl.nasa.gov...

Both images, slightly enlarged with adjusted histogram settings:



Hope this helps ...

Removed because of stupid stuff on my screen

jeep3r

Char-Lee

 

This object is interesting but to dark to see even when i tried lighening it.
mars.jpl.nasa.gov...

So is this if Rover didn't do it somehow.
mars.jpl.nasa.gov...

Both images, slightly enlarged with adjusted histogram settings:

Hope this helps ...

Nice that first one looks like a bone or something next to the shrunken head

Char-Lee

 

Can you see the spot I enlightened? Bottom left...Is the florescent red spot a pixel thing? I think you would have to look at the original picture to see it. There are a couple more spots it seems close by that one.

mars.jpl.nasa.gov...

Here's a zoomed and lightened version of that section:


I think the image is OK, apparently no dead pixels there. Apart from that, it's always good to check the NavCam images since they show the ground (near-fieldish) in Curiosity's immediate vicinity ...

Is this similar? there seems to be several more also kind of like them
Left top
mars.jpl.nasa.gov...




I am think they look like some kind of thick vertebrae

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Cleaned screen :-)

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No, it's all grey-scale images ... I only saw a lighter grey spot at the bottom, where the shadow begins. I didn't change the color settings, just the luminosity in the histogram.

I went through those NavCam images earlier today and also noticed some of these stones, IMO it's good to double-check some of those in order to not overlook anything ...

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Wish we could get paid to look

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say arghh some interesting jaw bones you have there Char-Lee , and Im seeing that unique look of a tooth root too.

as usual im playing catch up

evening/morning /afternoon/tea/dinner /breakfast/tiffin/midnightmunchie greating to you all


funBox

What am i seeing on this rock? Does this stick up or is that an illusion?
top left
mars.jpl.nasa.gov...

Char-Lee
That was my point, fast changes like the opening of the undersea vents leads to changes in life forms that did not prior to that live in these conditions. There are now many known examples of very quick change when environment changes.

Undersea vents are not new, even if they are a quick change in the local environment when a new one appears, life has already adapted to them, probably millions of years ago.

All of these life forms exist in completely different environments so must have adjusted as the vents opened.

The fact that less extreme versions of those life forms exist in other places doesn't mean that they changed to a new "version" when the vents opened, I think it's possible the less extreme "versions" already had that possibility, considering that the vents have existed for a long time, and, from what I have seen (not much), it looks like it's easier for a life form to go back to a previous "version" than change to a new one.

I remember seeing a Discovery channel program, about a large lake that was land locked but the sea poured over and into it each day with the tides. The lake was full of jelly fish who fed on the creatures brought by the sea. Eventually the tides no longer pushed into this fresh water lake but did the jelly fish die? no They began surfacing at a certain time of day and absorbing energy directly from sunlight. They thrived and multiplied.

I find that a little strange, as that would mean that jellyfish can live without any food, which I find not very likely for such a relatively big animal.

But the case of vents is different from what I was talking about, which was the change from a watery environment to a dry environment. Wouldn't it be easier for life forms to follow the water instead of evolving to land "versions"?