Fukushima Radiation hits San Franciso?

Forget this fool with a counter. Look at some real studies of the area.

I live in Oakland. In April, UC Berekely Department of Nuclear Engineering did a measurement of Iodine-131 and Caesium-137 levels in plants, top soil, and wild mushrooms.

Caesium-137 is produced by the fission of U-235 in nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons. It also "easily moves and spreads in nature" due to its "high solubility in water." It does have a half-life of 70 days or so, which gives it plenty of time to damage parts of your body before it dies off or leaves. This is in comparison to Iodine-131, which has a half-life of 8 days.

Caesium-137 in the environment is anthropogenic (human-made).

Caesium-137 (137 55Cs, Cs-137), cesium-137, or radiocaesium, is a radioactive isotope of caesium which is formed as one of the more common fission products by the nuclear fission of uranium-235 and other fissionable isotopes in nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons. It is among the most problematic of the short-to-medium-lifetime fission products because it easily moves and spreads in nature due to the high water solubility of caesium's most common chemical compounds, which are salts.

In April 2011, elevated levels of caesium-137 were also being found in the environment after the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disasters in Japan. In July 2011, meat from 11 cows shipped to Tokyo from Fukushima Prefecture was found to have 1,530 to 3,200 becquerels per kilogram of Cs-137, considerably exceeding the Japanese legal limit of 500 becquerels per kilogram at that time.[7] In March 2013, the Japanese utility that owns the tsunami-damaged nuclear power plant said that it had detected a record 740,000 becquerels per kilogram of radioactive caesium in a fish caught close to the plant. That is 7,400 times the government limit for safe human consumption.[8]

WIKIPEDIA

OK, so Iodine-131 has a half-life of 8 days.

Due to its mode of beta decay, iodine-131 is notable for causing mutation and death in cells that it penetrates, and other cells up to several millimeters away. For this reason, high doses of the isotope are sometimes less dangerous than low doses, since they tend to kill thyroid tissues that would otherwise become cancerous as a result of the radiation.

WIKIPEDIA

Now that I've shown what Caesium-137 is in contrast to Iodine-131, Here is the study from UC Berkeley:

UCB Food Chain Sampling Results, University of California, Berkeley Department of Nuclear Engineering:

Six items were tested: spinach, strawberries, cilantro, topsoil, grass, and mushrooms. Measured in Becquerel per kilogram.

Wild Mushrooms, Collected April 2 in Alameda, CA:
I131 @ 8.4 Bq/kg
Cs134 @ .63 Bq/kg
Cs137 @ .47 Bq/kg

Strawberries, “Best By” Date of April 1, Location Unknown :
I131@ 2.5 Bq/kg
Cs134 @ .69 Bq/kg
Cs137 @ .67 Bq/kg

Grass, Collected April 3 in Alameda, CA:
I131 @ 9.8 Bq/kg
Cs134 @ 6.9 Bq/kg
'Cs137 @ 6.9 Bq/kg

'Spinach, “Best By” Date of April 8, Location Unknown:
I131 @ 2.8 Bq/kg

Topsoil, Collected April 6 in Alameda, CA:
I131 @ 12.5 Bq/kg
Cs134 @ .99 Bq/kg
Cs137 @ 1.5 Bq/kg

No radionuclides were found in Cilantro from an unknown location

For infants the FDA set the level of concern at 55 Bq/kg of Iodine-131. Guidance Levels for Radionuclides in Domestic and Imported Foods, Food and Drug Administration, July 2004:

Infant Food:
'Iodine-131 @ 55 Bq/kg

SOURCE

There is no doubt (at least for me) anymore that radioactive levels have risen as a result of the fallout of Japan. It is already here and it's still building up from the air, rain, and ocean. So either bury your head in the sand, or do what you can to protect yourself from these douche-bags murderers called the EPA. All you have is yourself. Get use to it.

Forgive me for a bit of drift here but I'm confused. We take potassium iodine if exposed to iodine 131? And what would you take if exposed to this other toxin above? Does potassium iodine protect from that as well?

Dianec
Forgive me for a bit of drift here but I'm confused. We take potassium iodine if exposed to iodine 131? And what would you take if exposed to this other toxin above? Does potassium iodine protect from that as well?

"Prussian Blue" a synthetic pigment is well known to reduce the half-life of Caesium-137 from 70 to 30 days by binding with it. That's the only known treatment that I know of.

Dianec
Forgive me for a bit of drift here but I'm confused. We take potassium iodine if exposed to iodine 131? And what would you take if exposed to this other toxin above? Does potassium iodine protect from that as well?

Potassium Iodide minimizes the collection of radioactive potassium iodine in the thyroid as it bonds with most of the radioactive contaminate as you pass it. Other contaminates do not have such counters.

Taking iodide does not protect you from exposure, it just lessens the effects of radiation exposure.

peacenotgreed

Dianec
Forgive me for a bit of drift here but I'm confused. We take potassium iodine if exposed to iodine 131? And what would you take if exposed to this other toxin above? Does potassium iodine protect from that as well?

"Prussian Blue" a synthetic pigment is well known to reduce the half-life of Caesium-137 from 70 to 30 days by binding with it. That's the only known treatment that I know of.

Nice! I did not know about that!

Prussian blue traps radioactive cesium and thallium in the intestines and keeps them from being re-absorbed by the body.

The radioactive materials then move through the intestines and are passed (excreted) in bowel movements.

Because Prussian blue reduces the time that radioactive cesium and thallium stay in the body, it helps limit the amount of time the body is exposed to radiation.

Prussian blue reduces the biological half-life of cesium from about 110 days to about 30 days.

Prussian blue reduces the biological half-life of thallium from about 8 days to about 3 days.

Yes, Yahoo Answers also importantly states:

People SHOULD NOT take Prussian blue artist’s dye in an attempt to treat themselves. This type of Prussian blue is not designed to treat radioactive contamination and is not made for that purpose. People who are concerned about the possibility of being contaminated with radioactive materials should go to their doctors for advice and treatment.

What are the uses for Prussian Blue?

From what I've seen you can only get medical quality PB with a prescription. It's very interesting that there hasn't been any fallout survivalist companies that are trying to sell this stuff.

reply to post by IkNOwSTuff

People said Chernobyl would end the world and leave swathes of uninhabitable land and guess what, they were wrong. Nature reclaimed things quite quickly and shortly after residents were moving back in to their homes.

The meltdown at Chernobyl was quickly contained from below. Not so in Japan. The cores have already sunk too deep. Below the water table. Japan's problem has gone beyond the point where the Chernobyl strategy would be effective. Furthermore, Chernobyl is not on the ocean. Fuku is hourly (not daily) poisoning the Pacific at a rate never seen before. It seems that Japan has no strategy, no plan to stop the contamination. Check the report in this video 3:00-3:13. One man says it will take over 40 years to clean it up. Followed by a lady who says "they can't clean it up" twice.

peacenotgreed
Forget this fool with a counter. Look at some real studies of the area.

I live in Oakland. In April, UC Berekely Department of Nuclear Engineering did a measurement of Iodine-131 and Caesium-137 levels in plants, top soil, and wild mushrooms.

I was also tracking UC Berkely measurements at one time. Their measurements are more sophisticated than people walking around with Geiger counters.

I also wonder how much a Geiger counter would increase doing the same thing as seen in the OP video before the Fukushima disaster, because a lot of nukes were exploded in the Pacific, but more significantly, seawater is naturally radioactive. Just because there's an increase in radioactivity near the ocean, doesn't necessarily mean it's all from Fukushima.

www.waterencyclopedia.com...

The partial inventory of natural radionuclides in sea water in Table 1 (see page 22) amounts to 1–2 × 10 22 Bq, without including the uranium daughters or the 232 Th series nuclides. Human-made nuclides in the ocean have been estimated to be 85 × 10 15 Bq directly dumped, 1.5 × 10 18 Bq from fallout, and 1 × 10 17 Bq from reprocessing plant effluent. The natural radionuclides are greater in abundance.

So, there was a lot of radioactivity in seawater even before man started adding to it. Don't assume the spikes on the Geiger counter are all Fukushima related.

Time to eat my radioactive banana and get my dose of radioactive potassium.

Anyone believes the disaster that is Fukushima is a benign event with less impact than the background radiation on a California beach should stick to factor 50 uv cream and a decent sun hat!

I live in Wales and there are still sheep on some Welsh hillsides that are unfit for human consumption and monitoring is still undertaken. This, from the lesser event known as Chernobyl.

Nuclear power by its very nature is inherently unsafe, there is no such thing as a fail safe device, and it is also the nature of humans to make mistakes.

Add to that the potential for an extremist event somewhere in the process, whether that be the plant, transport or storage systems, maybe for once people might just accept the basic fact that Nuclear Power is not worth the risk to this planet that it is.

A rising concern should be the problems posed by radiation in sea water. The issues associated with radiation passing through desalination plants is plain for all to see as the post related to sailors on a US carrier showed.

Oceans evaporate and the moisture condenses and eventually returns to earth via gravity having formed rain in the process. Rain hits earth, enters water table, gets drunk by animals and humans and radiation absorbed.

So, don't eat the seafood, drink the water, shower or stay out in the rain...

Resolutions to the problem on the back of a postage stamp please.

Mine would be NO MORE NUCLEAR POWER! (It will fit the back of a first class stamp)


I should have added that exploding Nukes in the Pacific or elsewhere draws together fission and fusion into the nuclear cauldron known as The Pacific, just add some toads, newts and belladonna to the mix with a twist of dragons blood...

LarryLove
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

 

If you had bothered to read my other posts you would understand that I hold both environmentalists and corporate types guilty of peddling nonsense for their own gain. Greenpeace is run by a very slick media savvy individuals who left the world of real science long ago and now sensationalise everything. I am fully aware of what large corporations do too. But, as is often the case on ATS people grab and run with a quote and don't bother reading … 'buddy'.

And when is the last time an environmentalist concern leaked deadly gases, or spilled thousands of liters of water, or ruined the lives of thousands or millions of people? I don't mind the environmentalists getting a little outlandish in their tactics, they are not the ones harming us, and they are outfunded by corporate concerns by about a million to one. However I draw the line at outright fabrication of evidence as seems to have been done with global warming - that I disagree with.

You statement lumping together "crazy" corporate and environmentalist tactics is like talking about two neighbours, both are a little dramatic and can get crazy at times, but one (corporatists) has been charged for pedophilia, rape, murder and arson before, but is still living free. The other neighbour, while a little crazy, tries to help people and solve problems and keeps an eye on the convicted killer for the rest of the neighborhood.

If you see any kind of moral equivalency here, I think you should re-examine your value system.

reply to post by Phage


Enenews was the source of the map, its still there. The map still loads fine when I click on the link.

Right now San Fran is at RADCON 4 (7am(PST) 30Dec2013). There is now way to tie high radiation levels at San Fran to Fuku, but it is interesting to monitor.

www.netc.com...

reply to post by onehuman


Radiation in the ocean and Fukushima

Geiger counters in the hands of citizens found 150 CPM coming from the ocean.

► Fukushima radiation hits San Francisco

Let’s start by doing the math on what 150 CPM (counts per minute) means. One Bq is 1 decay event per second. So divide CPM by 60, and you have Bq detected. This article detected 2.5 Bq. But in your body, on a normal day, you have 4,400 Bq. See: Wikipedia on Bequerel

So why is there radiation found near the ocean, and 5 times what’s on land? Most people have no idea that there are 3.2 tons of natural uranium in every cubic kilometer of ocean. (13.34 tons per cubic mile.) The ocean has a total of 4.2 billion tons of uranium in it. So, yeah. When you go near the ocean, you find radiation. But it’s always been there. There’s also potassium-40, radium, polonium-210. Like the spaghetti sauce, you name it, it’s in there. And it’s perfectly fine. It’s in your sea-salt.

According to netc.com (nuclear emergency tracking center) San Francisco has a Radcon level 4 atm. However, last night I checked and it was Sacramento that had a Radcon level 4, so just purely by observation I would say that the radiation is moving down the coast.
www.netc.com... there's the link in case anyone wants to check it out.

reply to post by onehuman




It seems BONO knows more about this than we do!!!!

reply to post by mekhanics


Oh, so everything is all OK then wrt to Fukishima's additions to the sauce, nothing to worry about with the outpouring of 6 screwed up reactors into the Pacific?

What's all the fuss about then?

No, thanks, I think there is something seriously wrong and I for one don't care how much natural radiation is in the ocean, products of fusion cock-ups do not bode well as far as I am concerned.

But thanks for the alternative perspective all the same.

reply to post by peacenotgreed


good articles, i have one i use at work and have taken measurements since this happened and always get higher than back ground levels, which in my area are around 30-40 CPM. testing rain water swipes is the best way to actually see how much radiation is in the atmosphere from fukushima. open air measurements are actually pretty worthless, less a meltdown sends some new isotopes into the sky, then they would be important.

the radiation in our atmosphere from 2011, will be navigating the globe for decades and it comes down in the rain and snow. i realize this is about ocean contamination though.

i can regularly get reading's ranging from 30 CPM up to 275 CPM with 150-200 being normal the past few years. best to check your rain swipes with several different test's with one at the start of the storm and one at the end if possible, the ones at the end of the storms seem to be higher for me.

his tests of the water should be reasonably accurate, if his equipment was functioning properly.

I know that some types of seaweed will remove radiation, but that's kind of a joke now, seeing the seaweed it self would already be contaminated, at this stage of the game.

I can not believe that so many people think I am a fear monger, but I know how bad this is, it is all being pretty much white washed as to how bad this really is.

From what I have read this radiation is already in the North Atlantic, it arrived ahead of time because it came in under threw the Bering Straight's.
They found 137Cs and 134Cs, the 137Cs came from the junk MOX fuel that came out of Chernobyl, I guess the 134Cs is something Japan made . Japan was using the left over garbage, that was retrieved from Chernobyl.

They are not even addressing the air quality it seems as Plutonium's, half life is way up there. They just put out a call for workers in Japan over the age of 55 years, you know what that means. Plus the Crime Bosses are suppose to be running 90% of the clean up work force and not paying the workers. I try and be nice, but I think Japan needs to be sent a bunch of lead to help in clean up.


I posted this on another thread:

This is something I just found on " Wiki ", I'm sure most of you are aware of the term " Wormwood ". Well I just got a connection to that word and Chernobyl .

Some[12] even point to the Chernobyl disaster as a possible fulfillment of this prophecy, as the name Chernobyl is said to translate to "wormwood".

I almost forgot, in the Japan disaster the 137 Cs is from Chernobyl, but Wormwood was to of turned 1/3 of the water bitter or unpalatable.

reply to post by onehuman


If the CPM at the beach near SF is over 100 for most the time, that's 144,000 CPM or more in 24 hours. 1,000 CPM is about 1 millirem. The recommended life time exposure to millirems is about 1,000 per year age (so, for someone who is 30 years old, 30,000 millirems, and 40 years old, 40,000 millirems, etc). So,144,000 CPM is about 144 millirems. 144 millirems a day adds up to 52,560 millrems in a year which as much as a 52 year old person should have been exposed to in their lifetime.

This looks like a pretty dangerous situation for any living thing exposed to these levels of radiation. This doesn't mean the levels inland are the same or that everyone is exposed to these level at all times, but will they eventually get that high inland and be exposed?

Shuftystick
What's all the fuss about then?

The fuss is about fish caught off the coast of Japan with levels of radioactivity that are too high to be safe to eat. That problem can be attributed directly to the Fukushima disaster, and has nothing to do with natural radiation.

No, thanks, I think there is something seriously wrong and I for one don't care how much natural radiation is in the ocean, products of fusion cock-ups do not bode well as far as I am concerned.

Yes there is something seriously wrong.

However, this doesn't mean it makes sense for you to blame naturally occurring levels of radiation in ocean water on Fukushima if that's not the source. Fukushima is responsible for plenty of problems, so go ahead and blame those problems on Fukushima. But to blame natural ocean radiation of Fukushima, and then say you don't even care how much natural radiation is in the ocean, is the height of ignorance.

LarryLove
reply to post by IkNOwSTuff

 

People said Chernobyl would end the world and leave swathes of uninhabitable land and guess what, they were wrong. Nature reclaimed things quite quickly and shortly after residents were moving back in to their homes.

not true at all .. state your source ..

or go home because I believe it was Josh Gates like 2 years went in to Chernobyl and his team ALL went in for 20mins.. max they could stay in full decon gear..

GL with trying to find the episode any longer.. YT now charges $1.99 to watch episodes..