Earth Might Become Unlivable By 2100

reply to post by SLAYER69


My father passed along very little wisdom to me growing up but one exception was the adage:
"The quickest way to lose your argument is to overstate your case".

The argument for anthropological global warming is extremely shaky. The pronouncements made by its supporters do not acknowledge this and the people who disagree with them are not debated but rather demonized.

My biggest concern is that there's a large subset of the population that is aware of this and is reflexively (if not subconsciously) rejecting all environmental causes because they've been lied to on this one.

If the global warming brigade would have spent all this time and energy focusing on REAL environmental problems and persuading people to give a damn about these things instead of trying to demand that they mentally get in line, the world would most likely be a much cleaner and better place to live.

-The fact that we're killing the oceans with overfishing is a real problem.
-The fact that we're not spending the money to retrofit our nuclear reactors with safety features like gravity fed cooling systems is a real problem.
-The fact that genetically modified foods are both a great blessing and an abject curse when used wrongly and that a clear-headed, watchful and informed public is needed to make sure that they're used properly is a real problem.

Global warming? Not so much. Sadly, we're wasting an awful lot of time arguing about a "maybe" instead of working to fix real, concrete problems.

SLAYER69

Earth Might Become Unlivable By 2100

A new study has revealed that global warming is increasing at an alarming rate which might result into intense droughts. If not much was done to minimize the rapid increase in global warning, the earth might become unlivable by 2050 or 2100

“The global warming that was previously predicted to occur within 2,000 years, is now predicted to occur within the lifetimes of some people who are alive even today,” wrote Dahr Jamail at Opednews.com.

In the last decade, because of global warming, the Greenland ice discharge has increased 632% and the snow cover in Northern hemisphere has already decreased by more than 50% since 1962.

Statistics show that the three most important global warming gases - Carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide since 1750 have increased to levels higher than they have been in 800,000 years.

I dunno, it's hard for me to get any of this back and forth straight. I'm on the fence on just how fast or far this is headed. Sometimes I think Meh, then other times, I get very concerned and wonder if there's anything else I could do to help other than simply discuss the topic.

More scare tactics, or is this starting to become too obvious to ignore?

edit on 27-12-2013 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)

LOL. Global warming, eh? Peoples faults, eh? Well, if Antarctica is still considered part of this world, it's just getting colder. A new record low was set in 2010 that blew the old record away from 1987.

www.weather.com...

reply to post by Xterrain

Yup. And in 2013 there have been 4 all time high temperatures recorded worldwide. In 2012 there were also 4. In 2010 there were 19.

We can expect to see fewer and fewer all time lows and more and more all time highs.


en.wikipedia.org...

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All I know is my mom calls me and complains about the weather back home. I guess it's brrrrr.......I always thought it was refreshing. The best thing about the winters was no bugs and the air is so amazingly crisp and clean. I figure nothing contagious could survive that. And the stars at night, and the Milky Way oh my, so bright and clear you could almost reach up and touch it. Crazy beautiful. Okay, now I'm homesick again

reply to post by queenofsheba

When it comes to weather "your results may vary".
Weather is not the same thing as climate.

reply to post by Phage


Oh, darn it I forgot that...see if I ever listen to those old wives tales ever again...geesh. Weather, climate do not equal the same things. Got it. Thanks...now back to the marathon Breaking Bad cuz maybe I'll learn something from that series

Phage
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Yup. And in 2013 there have been 4 all time high temperatures recorded worldwide. In 2012 there were also 4. In 2010 there were 19.

We can expect to see fewer and fewer all time lows and more and more all time highs.


en.wikipedia.org...

I just refuse to believe it's entirely people's faults. If the Earth changes ANYTHING, if the Moon changes ANYTHING, if the Sun changes ANYTHING, we all die in a flash. There's just no need to worry about it. It'll probably be fire, but it could be a snowball, or a sudden vacation of the atmosphere, etc, etc, etc.

Oh noooo...save us all.

The biggest issue the world will face in the next 100 years isn't global warming, but is almost expectedly going to be a lack in population growth. Yes, a LACK thereof.

Human mentalities are so immediate in their ability to comprehend...it's unfortunate. The immediate future that most people consider needs fixing, is actually the point in time when their actions matter least.

reply to post by Xterrain

I just refuse to believe it's entirely people's faults.

Doesn't really matter what you (or I) believe, does it?

The biggest issue the world will face in the next 100 years isn't global warming, but is almost expectedly going to be a lack in population growth. Yes, a LACK thereof.

Really? You think that world population isn't growing and will continue to grow? Yes, the rate of population growth in some countries is declining. That doesn't mean that global population is declining. Personally, I think a decline in the growth rate would be beneficial. Or don't you think there are limits to growth?

Be sure to pray for the Global warming scientists who are ,as we speak, stuck in arctic ice.

I remember the First Earth Day. I was young and wanted to help clean up our planet. That being said, the entire environmental moment has changed over the decades. In the early days these regulations for cleaning up air, water, and ground pollution were important steps forward. And they worked! I can't remember the last air pollution warning, or our coast suffering the Red Tide scares. Real sewerage treatment plants were built. Laws stopped most of the "just dump it in the sea" disposal of garbage, and have addressed addressed chemical and metal pollution that was poisoning whole communities. Those were vital struggles and they were worth fighting.

It's about to be the year 2014. Anyone, who can do basic research can look back at several decades of Global Warming scare stories that are designed to push an agenda - not address real problems. I recommend people on both sides of this argument just do the research and look at these stories that were printed in the New York Times and most newspapers in the USA and everywhere else on Earth. Of course these scare stories have been given endless airtime on TV news, and the celebrity advocates always claim "the debate is over!" Yet, when time passes the unfortunate truth is that these scare stories are fiction.

The polar bears are not drowning, they have a population that is increasing.

The Himalayan glaciers: How about looking at this Daily Mai newspaper out of Britain:

"The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.

Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research. Now don't forget that Raj Pachauri, the IPCC chairman, denounced as ‘voodoo science’ the claims that the 2035 prediction was completely wrong!

However later the IPCC was forced to withdraw this claim because it has no scientific foundation.

According to the IPCC’s statement of principles, its role is ‘to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis, scientific, technical and socio-economic information – IPCC reports should be neutral with respect to policy’.

The claim that Himalayan glaciers are set to disappear by 2035 rested on just two 1999 magazine interviews with glaciologist Syed Hasnain, which were then recycled without any further investigation in a 2005 report by the environmental campaign group WWF.

It was this report that Dr Lal and his team cited as their source.

There have been so many scare stories from these new environmentalists. They keep saying the science supports them, but they keep making scare claims that keep proving to be false. Newspaper and TV stations have archives filled with decades of these stories and they could warn folks when these same groups, like the National Wildlife Fund, release new scare stories. But they never do.

I fear for our future. Billions are being wasted on Climate change research - this is my opinion. The Climate always changes from Ice Ages to warm periods and back again - long before man walked upright. Half the news about Climate Change screams energy prices are too cheap, that industry is bad. That we are guilty and need to pay a carbon tax - nothing more then modern indulgences once used by the Roman Catholic Church to allow sinners to buy their way into Heaven. And, sadly, I believe if enacted it will help get rich people richer and continue the destruction of our nation's once growing Middle Class.

This story is just another environmental scare story. Remember these:

In 1968 Paul R. Ehrlich, author of the 'The Population Bomb' warned: that the battle to feed humanity had been lost and that there would be a major food shortage in the US. “In the 1970s … hundreds of millions are going to starve to death,” and by the 1980s most of the world’s important resources would be depleted.

Life Magazine, January 1970: “By 1985, air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half.”

Kenneth E.F. Watt, author of Principles of Environmental Science, said on in Earth Day, 1970: “If present trends continue, the world will be … eleven degrees colder by the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age.”

Interviewed by the UK Independent, March 20, 2000, Dr. David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, is quoted saying within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

Michel Oppenheimer and Robert H. Boyle, authors of Dead Heat, St. Martin’s Press, 1990: “[By] 1995, the greenhouse effect would be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots … [By 1996] The Platte River of Nebraska would be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers.”
Oppenheimer is the Albert G. Milbank Professor of Geosciences and International Affairs in the Woodrow Wilson School and the Department of Geosciences at Princeton University. He is the Director of the Program in Science, Technology, and Environmental Policy at the Wilson School. He was formerly a senior scientist with the Environmental Defense Fund, the largest non-governmental organization in the U.S. that examines problems and solutions to greenhouse gases.

Each time we see another scare Climate headline we must remember these headlines have been happening for at least the past 4 decades. The only thing these scare predictions accomplish is turning off the public who know environmental advocacy groups are more then willing to lie to promote their agenda!

reply to post by SLAYER69


I still say its 'over-population' which is a cause for concern, as the more we build up areas, the more pollution wil go into the atmosphere! Also, ever wondered why so much flooding lately? I say its because we have built too much and the water has nowhere to go except into the streets!

reply to post by SLAYER69

I dunno, it's hard for me to get any of this back and forth straight. I'm on the fence on just how fast or far this is headed. Sometimes I think Meh, then other times, I get very concerned and wonder if there's anything else I could do to help other than simply discuss the topic.

More scare tactics, or is this starting to become too obvious to ignore?

As far as actual science, there really isn't much back and forth... and as the article said, science usually runs on the conservative side and there's a reason for that, because there are areas of uncertainty within areas of certainty. This supposed back and forth is manufactured BS designed to confuse and keep the general public paralyzed. Once you start reading the actual science you can see the consensus and that what FOX, and numerous denial blog sites, the Daily Mail and the Telegraph claim scientists are saying, isn't what they are saying at all... they will tell you that science claimed that coastlines all over the world would be underwater by 2010 when science didn't claim such, to have predicted such would have been alarmist, so they painted climate science as alarmist and then get to give the hindsight POV that not only were the scientists alarmists but clearly wrong, so it all must be bunk... "damn greedy liberals *wink, wink*, Al Gore amirite guis?".

What can you do?

-Get really informed, as informed as you are about ancient civilizations and use that knowledge to deny ignorance on the subject wherever you see it.

-Do everything you can do to not be a consumer.

-Hunt for/grow your food, if you can't do that go to your local farmers markets and butcher shops.

-Reuse as much as you can.

-Buy second hand as much as you can.

-Write to your Congress critter.

Obviously there's more but these are simple things, really simple things that do actually have an impact. Every person that pulls out of consumerism as much as possible has a positive effect and sends a message. All those things I listed are also good for the economy and your wallet.

I'm glad to see you posting on this topic, I hope you do so more often.

-EDIT- Removed my post. Decided it wasn't contributing to the topic at hand.

Global Climate Change or Warming or not, I hope things don't get so bad that a hypercane ever makes landfall. That's about the worst thing that I could imagine happening. The conditions to make those kind of ocean water temperatures happen would be rather extreme, however.

Global warming and climate change..

Space?

could SPACE play a part at all?

isn't the whole solar system moving through space?

is the temperature of space regulated, or are there hot/cold pockets?

and moisture? are there moisture differences in space?

the Earth could pass through a cold pocket for 100-200 years and that may cause the ice ages?

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"damn greedy liberals *wink, wink*, Al Gore amirite guis?".

During WWII people came together as a united group specifically for the war effort and achieved all kinds of things. They had a common goal

But people have to see the problem and see it the same way before that kind of unity can be achieved. The girl scout in me wants to believe we can still do much to mitigate some of this, but it's likely that the sorts of things that will have to happen before an entire planet is convinced will happen when it's too late

Any organized effort that happens before that (assuming that is even possible) will be seen as totalitarianism - and it might well be totalitarianism at that point

As I was reading in an article recently, mankind has never been in this situation before

People are comfortable, and asking them to do more with less is never going to fly - especially not in this country. I really wish we could all move past this left/right nonsense and realize that this affects all of us

By 2100 the dust from our bones will be gone

Here are some quotes/predictions from Earth Day, 1970.

“We have about five more years at the outside to do something.”
• Kenneth Watt, ecologist

“Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.”
• George Wald, Harvard Biologist

“We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation.”
• Barry Commoner, Washington University biologist

“Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction.”
• New York Times editorial, the day after the first Earth Day

“Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.”
• Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

“By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.”
• Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

“It is already too late to avoid mass starvation.”
• Denis Hayes, chief organizer for Earth Day

“Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.”
• Peter Gunter, professor, North Texas State University

“Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half….”
• Life Magazine, January 1970

“At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.”
• Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

“Air pollution…is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.”
• Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

“We are prospecting for the very last of our resources and using up the nonrenewable things many times faster than we are finding new ones.”
• Martin Litton, Sierra Club director

“By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate…that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, `Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, `I am very sorry, there isn’t any.’”
• Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

“Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.”
• Sen. Gaylord Nelson

“The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”
• Kenneth Watt, Ecologist


Source
www.ihatethemedia.com...

I think we all need to take a deep breath, relax, and try to put some perspective here.

reply to post by beezzer


Yea, hindsight can seem to make a fool of each of these people, and yet, it was at least in part them going out on a limb, that introduced polices which helped prevent at least some of these things from coming to fruition.

We did enact various environmental policies in the 70's that seemed to prolong our ongoing crisis.

Not to say that some of these weren't outright incorrect, only to provide some insight into why some may not have occurred as planned.

Good on them for willing to stick their rep on the line, be viewed as "discredited" and in the process help prevent these things from becoming a reality.

reply to post by webedoomed


You may be correct.

But I can also say that no fire-breathing dragons will ever attack you because I ran around my chair 3 times counter-clockwise.

I just think knee-jerk reactions/laws based on incomplete studies don't serve anyone.

Global-Climate Change is just socially acceptable doom-porn.