Anti-war, pacifist frauds

I�ve fired a gun. I�ve been shot at. I�m a non-pacifist (as I believe in self-defence). I�m to the right politically (scandinavian that is. I think it�s quite different from the US "right" or "conservative"). I got my favourite political party, but I don�t agree with everything they say. I�m not religious. I�m not a nazi. I guess I�m against all types of fanatism, including fanatical muslims and those who believe they are superior to the rest of the world and that the rest of the world consist of nothing but "undermenchen". I�m anti-terror. I�m anti-war. Yes, I believe starting WWIII is not necessarily the best way to combat terrorism. I�ve seen the whole un-edited version of this video you�re talking about. I don�t know what version you have seen. I think what that soldier did was wrong. I know your excuses for his action. And I agree that those excuses could hold water sometimes in certain situations, but I don�t believe that was the case here. This was wrong and he should be taken out of action. He shouldn�t have a gun. This was point blank murder of an unarmed POW. That�s what I think. Maybe you could feel sorry for him loosing his mind and understand why he did it and such, but it was still wrong. And I don�t blame the majority of the soldiers over there for being there. There�s others to blame for that. Am I clear? Am I a hypocrite? Am I a chicken for not cheering this soldiers action? And for not cheering this war and go along with everything "our masters" tell us to do? You�re going to shoot me now or what? I might get ignored again, but I don�t care...
*does not run and hide "like a chicken"*

*puts his helmet on*

Obviously if you've served I was not referring to you.

Nor do I think people are not allowed to have an opinion, regardless of their service.

I don't think non-serving liberals should be prevented from criticizing this soldier any more than I think non-serving conservatives should not be denied their opinion on the validity of this or any war.

That's like saying only people who've actually played football can be a fan.

But if you're gonna call people chickenhawks for supporting war yet never having served you have no right to criticize the actions of this soldier. No right at all. It's the height of hypocracy.

[edit on 19-11-2004 by Ibn Iblis]

Originally posted by brimstone735
............I'd blame it on the brass section, they rarely keep up.
............

Is this the equivalent of: "one time at band camp"

I'm sorry, but what exactly is a "LEFTIST" ?

Does anyone know how this "LEFT, CENTER, RIGHT" charade came to be?

Well, originaly, it started after the revolution in France in 1789, when different political factions sat at various places in the semicircle legislative chamber: The ones who wanted maximum equality and the most social changes, sat on the left; the most conservative factions, who wanted no change whatsoever and maximum inequality, sat way on the right; the moderates sat in the center, obviously.

Well, nowadays, most parties, left, righ and center, constitute a little bit of everything from the above: To maximum equality, to hard-core conservatives who want no change and would rather have a monarchy (See Edmund Burke); Bush and cadres for example.

I don't see how it's relevent today? We have different parties and a multi-tude of different platforms. Take Canada for example: The NDP is considered "LEFT", yet, it shares many similarites with the Conservatives, who share many similarites with the Liberals...

What's going on here?

Democrats, like John Kerry, voted for the War and for the Patriot Acts, and are not considered "Right-Wingers"...



Deep

Originally posted by ZeroDeep
I'm sorry, but what exactly is a "LEFTIST" ?

Does anyone know how this "LEFT, CENTER, RIGHT" charade came to be?

Today, left is bad, right is good, if you're righty. If you're lefty, left is good, right is bad. It creates the illusion of a two-party system in when in fact they're the inverse of a single party. Regardless, the percieved differences keep people occupied, which is all that matters for larger, far more powerful, unelected entities to maintain consistent development of national and international plans. Trilateral Commision, WTO, US' Council on Foreign Affairs, Federal Reserve, and the World Bank are just some of them. As long as people focus on left and right (dem and repub) and keep getting worked up over perceived slights, political entertainment, etc., the real powers make progress.

What's the point of all this? Mad that people jump the gun? Rodney King? Micheal Jackson?

That's the Monday morning quarterbacking humans are good for, so I'm not sure what the point of all this is. But yeah, the left sucks, and the right has great ideas that are almost never implimented.

It must be all those damn pinkos stopping up our good legislation.

The war sucks, and will end badly for us. That's not a surprise, so who cares what side anyone is on.

Anyone got any good ideas, or just the same old #?

First Ibis says you don't get an opinion unless yourve served, then he says he's not against people who havn't served having an opinion...

give me a break...

Mate, your what we call in Australia, a stirrer...

You stir the pot to get everyone upset, but at the end of the day, you don't even beleive your own hyperbole...

Lets get this straight, you hate Muslims, and your in love with war...teriffic

Bet you don't have a Family members who are still on medication for post traumatic stress from Vietnam, how many of your mates have been shot in battle, have you even seen a military style knee reconstruction done with steel cable...

If you love servicemen so much, how about thinking about whats in their best interests...like getting them all home safe.

The war mongers,politicians and the oil lobby can all rot in hell.

Get this straight. No one is against the troops in harms way.

We all support them and wish them well. WE DO NOT SUPPORTWHYTHEY ARE THERE.

UNDERSTOOD?

What is never firing a gun, being in combat, or serving in the military make you a bad person or not allowed to protest the real fraud which is the Iraq War.

Neo cons, hard-lined conservatives base everything off military.. it's sad really.

Why don't we send you over there?

Im a leftist/socialist and respect the rights of people to defend themselves against this American cowboy-like imperialism.

Anything America does is supposed to be considered "holy and right" Anyone else is pointed at and called a communist or a facist.

[edit on 20-11-2004 by RedOctober90]

[edit on 20-11-2004 by RedOctober90]

Originally posted by HowardRoark
FWIW

Here is a pretty good anti-war site that is rather well ballanced.

Fallujah in Pictures

Warning. Graphic images

wow, howard(the republican, i'm assuming). i'm surprised and happily impressed.
if you can look at those pictures, and still be prowar, your heart is a cold stone full of fear and hate.

Nice photos.. that is what the "bring it on" mentality brings.

I doubt any of these right wingers would be saying "bring it on" when there suburbs lie littered with pieces of human body.

Originally posted by taibunsuu

Originally posted by ZeroDeep
I'm sorry, but what exactly is a "LEFTIST" ?

Does anyone know how this "LEFT, CENTER, RIGHT" charade came to be?

Today, left is bad, right is good, if you're righty. If you're lefty, left is good, right is bad.

Says who? You?
I can only hope you're a teenager and you'll grow out of this.

Originally posted by Ibn Iblis
That's some nice kindergarten logic. Let's hear from someone who's not a complete retard.

wow. A southpark quote. and he's the retard?

clearly, you don't understand hypocrisy. Those who you are labelling hypocrits are opposed to the war, and some are even opposed to the military. How does criticizing the disgusting tactics used by US troops make them hypocrits, if they have been holding this viewpoint all along?

Originally posted by dgtempe

Originally posted by taibunsuu

Originally posted by ZeroDeep
I'm sorry, but what exactly is a "LEFTIST" ?

Does anyone know how this "LEFT, CENTER, RIGHT" charade came to be?

Today, left is bad, right is good, if you're righty. If you're lefty, left is good, right is bad.

Says who? You?
I can only hope you're a teenager and you'll grow out of this.

Mmmmm, why? Can you deny that statement?

Actually, this whole argument is nuts. This "Anti-war" "Pro-war" thing is ridiculous.

Anyone who is actually Pro-War rather than supporting the need for it on occasion or Pro-THIS War, is truly blind and must be either completely detached from humanity, or they are lying to themselves.

War sucks, and it is generally useless when fighting asymmetrical war on a global scale while taunting them on TV.

Fun.

Originally posted by Justanotherperson

Originally posted by Frith
In multiple threads on this site and others including most major media outlets, pacifists are maligned as "peacenicks", "terrorist sympathizers", "cowards", "commies", "pinkos", and other related remarks. You cannot claim that pacifists aren't maligned in step with the pro-war crowd.

If you watch the news. What is a better way to lose credibility for your cause than a green hair, nose ring clown shouting out profanity.

Staged. Intentional.

let me get this straight, if you don't dress and look like you oppressors, you loss your credibility? Doesn't bold well for us.

Ya!

How dare president Bush send thousands of our sons/daughters into war without even serving a single minute of real combat. I mean how could he ever sympathize with families who receive flags instead of their loved ones.

Ya!

How dare president Bush go AWOL during '72 in the national guard without being criminally charged while this one particular soldier is subjected to a witch hunt by the Lefties of this country.

Darn our chickenhawk president then huh!..

Originally posted by Acecool79

let me get this straight, if you don't dress and look like you oppressors, you loss your credibility? Doesn't bold well for us.

1) Its bode, not bold (not to be nasty, but as a point of correction)

2) There are social standards, set in part by business standards over the years). This is part of the reason I laugh when the guy with the basketball jersey down to his knees and the nylon thing on his head, comes in for a job interview, and then his inevitable surprise as to why he can't get a job better than McDonald's.

The Nation of Islam understands this concept, and they might agree that we are oppressed.

If you want to be taken seriously by those unlike yourself, you need to act seriously.

Originally posted by Ibn Iblis

Originally posted by brimstone735

Originally posted by Ibn Iblis
who have never been in combat, never fired a gun, never been shot at, yet armchair QB our troops' tactics in the heat of battle.

Frauds, all of you.

Never fired a gun or been in combat? They're called neo-conservatives.

So even if you're liberal and you've never been in combat, you're still a neo-conservative?

That's some nice kindergarten logic. Let's hear from someone who's not a complete retard.

Good Idea.

Go ahead and be quiet now.

Ibn, Why are you so abusive all the time?
I read your thread about warns vs. applause...you know, you wouldn't have to worry about so many warns if you'd just be civil to people.



[edit on 11-22-2004 by Loki]

want me to show you what war brings?


these men and women died for a cause, yet do you welcome this sight?
do you welcome this sight at your local chruch?


i dont. do you?
he died fighting some one elses war. he did it because it was his job but does this mean we should support us going to war? no. we should accept it but not encourage it.