Scientists petition congress for return to Moon

They talked about going to the moon again on I think it was Coast To Coast... The conspiracy, if you will, is the 'real' reason they want to send manned spacecraft again is to eventually weaponize the moon for potential use on the earth. It would obviously be a hard weapon to stop, me thinks.

reply to post by Ove38


I think so. If I was a betting man

reply to post by Justaposter


Dont believe everything you read on the internet

reply to post by Blue Shift


haha, getting to the moon aint exactly all that easy. there's a reason only major government space programs have gone there.

logistics.

reply to post by lostbook


With what money?
I'm totally for space exploration, but I think the US has more pressing needs that need to be taken care of. Like paying off the debt.

StalkerSolent
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With what money?
I'm totally for space exploration, but I think the US has more pressing needs that need to be taken care of. Like paying off the debt.

Another one that doesnt get it.....

Its not about exploration it about EXPLOTATION!

There are limitless resources in orbit, there is a NEO astroid that has $20 TRILLION worth of platnium in it.
TWEANTY TRILLION.

Thats a resources we are getting short on. And there many are more.

This would give the USA a whole new economic area of expansion and solve any current or future looming resource crisis!

The retuns and benifits are atsronomical!

What if China or Russia get there first? You think they will play nice and share? NO! They will strangle the USA econemy with he abundant resources they will control and watch and laugh as the USA plummets into the thrid world.


Dont be so naive and short sighted to think this is about playing about in zero G and looking at pretty stars or lifless rocks this is about survival.

The USA spends roughly 800 billion USA on defence, surely its worth diverty 50 billion to sercure your economic future? Surely the NSA would use a good shave and a few billion diverted in helping companys get up there and start mining?

Nope I am against this. It's time to grow up and let the private sector have its turn at it.

Helpus2014
Nope I am against this. It's time to grow up and let the private sector have its turn at it.

You dont get it do you? The infrastrutures not there for the private sector!

Its like a city without a rail network or Road system!

The goverment needs to invest in a proper infrastructure to reduce the cost of space travel, that requires funding in some promsing new propulsion tec.


But hey isolate yourself while China and Russia stame ahead and take all the resources in orbit and leave the USA and a broke, resource short 3rd world hell hole. And it you that would have helped caused it

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China can afford to send most of its country to the moon.

America can't afford to wipe its arse

reply to post by lostbook


The reason for the rush is that The USA needs to get their ass in gear and send a rover there to put an American flag in its virgin soil before they are compromised, and the revolution begins against the Govt.

Just my foresight.

Blue Shift
If there was anything even remotely valuable on the Moon, nobody would need any government encouragement to go there. The government would be trying to either regulate or stop people from going there.

There is, Helium 3 for a start, but its damn expensive to mine - atm. I say no. Let China do the spending.

H3

Jerow
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in other words, if USA has man landing on the moon before any other country; the rules goes that USA owns the moon. because they were the first ones to land/step on it.
if some other country say something otherwise, then USA declares war against them. And thats what they want. reason for wars............

That's because wars are a financial engine and usually a boost to the economy of the winning side. The "Cold War" was the reason we went into Space with such intensity to begin with. This new Cold War with China will take us back into Space but the extent to which we do remains to be seen.

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You think Russia and China will play nice and share?

reply to post by crazyewok


I don't see the American private space exploration/exploitation sector falling behind China in this area. (China has other worries and only a government-funded program, as far as I know.) The Russians might be able to give us a run for the money.

Capitalists aren't stupid. Once resources get scarce enough and we deem it worth it, I can almost guarantee you that capitalists will find a way to do it. With the healthy private sector the US has, I imagine we'll probably be the first. (Russia might beat us to it, though. They've done it before.)
All that to say, I think the private sector probably has this under control.

Rosha

Blue Shift
If there was anything even remotely valuable on the Moon, nobody would need any government encouragement to go there. The government would be trying to either regulate or stop people from going there.

There is, Helium 3 for a start, but its damn expensive to mine - atm. I say no. Let China do the spending.

H3

There is a private company looking to go to the moon called "Golden Spike".

crazyewok
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You think Russia and China will play nice and share?

Outer Space Treaty of 1966 says they must.

No one nation can claim any celestial body.

StalkerSolent
reply to post by crazyewok

 

I don't see the American private space exploration/exploitation sector falling behind China in this area. (China has other worries and only a government-funded program, as far as I know.) The Russians might be able to give us a run for the money.

Capitalists aren't stupid. Once resources get scarce enough and we deem it worth it, I can almost guarantee you that capitalists will find a way to do it. With the healthy private sector the US has, I imagine we'll probably be the first. (Russia might beat us to it, though. They've done it before.)
All that to say, I think the private sector probably has this under control.

The problem by that time will be that there will have been a brain drain that even if there is a will, there might not be a way.

If you are interested in mining the moon where are you going to go when you graduate college? To countries which are actually doing it who have already recruited you (and make no mistake China IS recruiting US students) or are you going to just sit on your thumbs until some private company gets enough capital to do a mission?

It used to be other countries had to worry about a brain drain of their best and brightest going to the US rather than helping their fledgeling space programs.

Now the opposite may begin to happen around 2020-2025.

Its easy to buy hardware. It's harder to acquire intellectual infrastructure, especially once a nation begins losing it.

Look at what happened after the Apollo program. The US could not mount a manned moon mission in 20 years later if it wanted to without spending MORE.

Letting your brains atrophy (or in this case flee) can be expensive.

JadeStar

You think Russia and China will play nice and share?

Outer Space Treaty of 1966 says they must.

No one nation can claim any celestial body.

O you miss the point

Sure they cant claim a WHOLE planet. But if they get to mars or the moon first then I doubt they will share the riches they bring back. I doubt they will invite the USA along for the side. Im pretty sure they will leave the USA to make its own way at which point they will be at a big disadvantage if they dont act soon.

O and I wouldnt put all my trust in "treatys" if they worked 100% of the time we wouldnt have war now would we?

crazyewok

JadeStar

You think Russia and China will play nice and share?

Outer Space Treaty of 1966 says they must.

No one nation can claim any celestial body.

O you miss the point

Sure they cant claim a WHOLE planet. But if they get to mars or the moon first then I doubt they will share the riches they bring back. I doubt they will invite the USA along for the side. Im pretty sure they will leave the USA to make its own way at which point they will be at a big disadvantage if they dont act soon.

O and I wouldnt put all my trust in "treatys" if they worked 100% of the time we wouldnt have war now would we?

Helium 3 is not scarce on the moon though.

It's all over the place and there is plenty to go around. The key thing is to make sure the US (or any other country for that matter) is in a position to be able to do the same.

This is called Space Parity. Its an old term from the space race when the Russians tried to have it with the USA.

Will the US be at Space Parity with China in 2025? Good question. At the rate things are going, probably not.