Inside the Zeitgeist Revolution | Exclusive Interview with Peter Joseph

It's my belief that there is a current global conscience awaking underway. How many of you want to live a self sustaining lifestyle? Do you want to hunt or fish more? Do you want to grow things or become a farmer? Are you ready for a wholesale change in our current system?

There are several movements like The Venus Project:

The Venus Project proposes an alternative vision of what the future can be if we apply what we already know in order to achieve a sustainable new world civilization. It calls for a straightforward redesign of our culture in which the age-old inadequacies of war, poverty, hunger, debt and unnecessary human suffering are viewed not only as avoidable, but as totally unacceptable. Anything less will result in a continuation of the same catalogue of problems inherent in today's world. Today many people believe what is needed is a higher sense of ethical standards and the enactment of international laws to assure a sustainable global society.

The Venus Project

And The Zeitgeist Movement:

Founded in 2008, The Zeitgeist Movement is a Sustainability Advocacy Organization which conducts community based activism and awareness actions through a network of Global/Regional Chapters, Project Teams, Annual Events, Media and Charity Work.

The Movement's principle focus includes the recognition that the majority of the social problems which plague the human species at this time are not the sole result of some institutional corruption, scarcity, a political policy, a flaw of "human nature" or other commonly held assumptions of causality.

Rather, The Movement recognizes that issues such as poverty, corruption, collapse, homelessness, war, starvation and the like appear to be "Symptoms" born out of an outdated social structure. While intermediate Reform steps and temporal Community Support are of interest to The Movement, the defining goal here is the installation of a new socioeconomic model based upon technically responsible Resource Management, Allocation and Distribution through what would be considered The Scientific Method of reasoning problems and finding optimized solutions.

The Zeitgeist Movement mission statement

There are other groups advocating changing our systems of society, but I only listed the main 2.

Here is the latest interview with Peter Joseph, I didn't see it posted here

Zeitgeist movement = socialist cult

reply to post by KBadger


The Zeitgeist (spirit of the age or spirit of the time) is the intellectual fashion or dominant school of thought that typifies and influences the culture of a particular period in time. (From Wikipedia Zeitgeist ). You say that the emergent idea is Socialism it may be so but what else is there that is viable and sustainable ? Individualism and jungle law ?

Listen to the video and counter any of the content with a viable alternative or interpretation, that would be interesting (in any case Socialism comes in many forms) but as Peter states in the video centralism is the basis of corruption and the root of all evil is money and the drive toward competition and scarcity it imposes.

reply to post by KBadger


I think he has it right. Won't matter because scarcity will make you see it soon enough. We can't keep consuming like we are. Think about India and China. What happens when they live like we do here in the United States? I bet you know the answer already. The part where he said that the money controls the laws was spot on. Trying to appease the shareholders is going to destroy this world. I'll watch with disdain as they kill the golden goose.

I might not know a whole lot about Zeitgeist but this guy was making sense.

reply to post by LDragonFire

Have yet to watch the video but will make tide to do so.

Regardless, S & F for Peter Joseph.

Hes done a great deal to educate people on the Federal Reserve, the Rothschilds, sustainable energy and 9/11 Truth.

It's just another form of communism, a socialist ideology that may sound good on paper but ultimately never works. You'll get no freedom whatsoever. Another form of control. Look how the Soviet Union turned out and let's not forget the Nazis were socialist, it always ends up as fascism. Individual responsibility is ultimately the only way we'll ever grow as a species, and no that does not mean everybody would be selfish and out for themselves, or do you really need to be told to be charitable?

KBadger
It's just another form of communism, a socialist ideology that may sound good on paper but ultimately never works. You'll get no freedom whatsoever. Another form of control. Look how the Soviet Union turned out and let's not forget the Nazis were socialist, it always ends up as fascism. Individual responsibility is ultimately the only way we'll ever grow as a species, and no that does not mean everybody would be selfish and out for themselves, or do you really need to be told to be charitable?

There has never been a true communist country, they have all been different forms of capitalism.

reply to post by LDragonFire


I looked at the Venus Project link.

While almost anyone would agree they aim of positive things, it sounds almost like a time-share seminar. Too good to be feasible.

If we are looking at a sustainable paradigm, IMHO the best or most viable option for humans and the planet is the one the whole deal came with. Where humans were just another species among many. I know there are good things which came with civilization like roofs, medicine, or sliced bread. I know all the bad stuff is not necessarily tied to all the good stuff. It just seems humans, in large civilized groups, cannot decouple the two. At least they have not demonstrated it yet over the last few thousand years.

Therefore, I applaud the effort of these folks but I am also highly suspect.

KBadger
Zeitgeist movement = socialist cult

I've a better one Badger:

Zeitgeist movement = new age bolloxology

LDragonFire

There has never been a true communist country, they have all been different forms of capitalism.

It's good to know that at least one other person in this world understands that. I was beginning to think I was the only one.

seabhac-rua

KBadger
Zeitgeist movement = socialist cult

I've a better one Badger:

Zeitgeist movement = new age bolloxology

Here come the low knowledge ridiculing debunkers, who haven't a clue. You can always tell them, snide commentary without any attempt at either a discussion, or an alternative. Same goddam people who refused to look through Galileo's telescope.

As someone who has actually researched both the VP and TZM, and listened to hours of lectures and films, I can tell you this isn't socialism and it isn't communism; it certainly isn't the rapidly developing and in-your-face Fourth Reich Fascism we have now in the U.S.

Jacque Fresco, the innovator of The Venus Project (named after his home in Venus, Florida) is a social engineer with an illustrious background in the same mold as Buckminster Fuller; the guy is around 98 years old now and still going strong.

And for my mind, Peter Joseph is the kind of mind that comes around only every 500 years; he's been subject to a lot of ridicule by a lot of scared people for his stances on religion, 9-11 truth and the spectacularly corrupt FAIL that we call the Federal Reserve. I've seen him hold his temper and equanimity against the most vehement cr*pstorm of BS possible. (Yeah, if Jesus came back today, this is what you'd hear him saying and advocating. Deal with it, or are you going to crucify him yet again?)

If you LIKE the way the world is going now, if you like the way your life and your family and friend's lives are now, fine. If you think things could be done a different way, a way in which there's more equality and more justice than we have now, well, look into it. Or are you frightened by change? Are you frightened by the glimmering realization that, no matter how hard you work, it's not gonna be YOU that gets that million dollar bonus, but the other guy? And you could end up out on the street at any moment? And there's a few banks that are running the world, and they don't give a damn about you? And that the time to make some changes without the utter violent breakdown of society is getting short?

I'd recommend watching on Youtube the London Lectures, 'Where Are We Now' and 'Where Are We Going', his more edgy series Culture in Decline which may appeal more to a younger audience, and of course the original Zeitgeist movie which was more of a performance piece than anything else, and the followups Zeitgeist Addendum, etc.

They're not Social Psychology and Economics 101 and they're not for small minds, the kind of minds that seem to prefer we leave things the way they are.

The Zeitgeist sounds like something connected with the Fabians.

Early Fabian views

The first Fabian Society pamphlets[10] advocating tenets of social justice coincided with the zeitgeist of Liberal reforms during the early 1900s. The Fabian proposals however were considerably more progressive than those that were enacted in the Liberal reform legislation. The Fabians lobbied for the introduction of a minimum wage in 1906, for the creation of a universal health care system in 1911 and for the abolition of hereditary peerages in 1917.

Fabian Society

Zeitgeist

some kind of NWO psy-op deal.

maybe some kind of Hegelian thing

reply to post by signalfire


You've spent a lot of time with this stuff, well done.

All I can say is that I've watched the movies and it doesn't take much intelligence to see that they are factually fraudulent, and promote ideologies that I find questionable at times.

Do you have a problem with that?

It's got nothing to do with the New World Order.

That would be the Bushes. And the Rothschilds. You know, all those people who should either be in jail, or long since in front of a firing squad but are still running things whether in front of or behind the scenes.

The movement doesn't have a patent on the word Zeitgeist and anyone can, and has, used it.

seabhac-rua
reply to post by signalfire

 

You've spent a lot of time with this stuff, well done.

All I can say is that I've watched the movies and it doesn't take much intelligence to see that they are factually fraudulent, and promote ideologies that I find questionable at times.

Do you have a problem with that?

Aww, are you going to send me over to watch some idiotically done 'Zeitgeist Debunked' movie now?

How cute. And completely lacking in novelty.

I find them factually brilliant; his main source for the religious component of the original movie was a woman who can read the original Biblical texts in their original language, as well as Ancient Egyptian. That tends to make the conclusions a tad bit more real than the repeated for centuries hallucinatory dreck of the Roman Catholic Church, et al.

If you've got a better idea for where society needs to change things, feel free to put it out there. We all await not only your brilliance, but your realization that you'll be putting your life on the line from death threats from fools, like these people have.

reply to post by signalfire

If you're buying that rubbish in those movies concerning religion then you're not a smart as you like to think you are.

I'm not the video watching type.

seabhac-rua
reply to post by signalfire

 

If you're buying that rubbish in those movies concerning religion then you're not a smart as you like to think you are.

I'm not the video watching type.

In other words, you avoid knowledge if it comes in 'certain' forms. But have a strong opinion, anyways.

Got it.

signalfire

seabhac-rua
reply to post by signalfire

 

If you're buying that rubbish in those movies concerning religion then you're not a smart as you like to think you are.

I'm not the video watching type.

In other words, you avoid knowledge if it comes in 'certain' forms. But have a strong opinion, anyways.

Got it.

Nope, let's just say that I have my preferences when it comes to a medium through which one gleans information.

Films/videos can be and are produced to be very persuasive upon the minds of unquestioning viewers, this was readily apparent to me the first time I watched the first Zeitgeist movie at a friends house. When the film was over a discussion took place where everyone seemingly had adopted the views expressed in the film, without question, and to this day these guys parrot that utter tripe about the origins of Christianity, as well as espousing such philosophical gems as "we need to get rid of religion" to whoever will listen. Trying to discuss in detail any subject matter related to these topics usually is met with "watch this video" etc. To a man, no Zeitgeist fan I've ever met has bothered their arse to look in depth at any of the claims made in these films. Care to explain that to me?

I watched the zeitgeist film had a whole lot of conspiracy talk and then the solution at the end was parallel with what the global elite want anyway so I am confused as to what changes this movement has in mind unless it's only about who is in charge.

Now I could be mistaken and the architects of this movement have solely good intentions but like the old saying goes 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions'. As far as sustainability goes, if humans won't have sustained exponential growth forever and any movement that attempts to create some utopia will fail 100% of the time if it tries to implement it's system BEFORE humans have evolved into a completely different species with a collective consciousness greater than a selfish little child.

Just something to think about if there are any 'believers' into any political theory.

reply to post by signalfire


Personally, I think Jacque Fresco and Peter Joseph need to drop the anti-religion rhetoric. 90% of the world's population believes in a God, and most of us don't appreciate being ridiculed for it. How do they expect either of their movements to go anywhere if they're not all-inclusive?

Most agree that the money needs to go, so why not just focus on that?