Temple Relief At Abydos Egypt And A Pondering Thought ...

Relief on a wall at Abydos Temple.


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Could this have been used to build pyramids? And something drastic happened in the world to wipe all technology out?

If they can do this and lift logs in the logging industry, I just wonder about the Pyramids in Egypt and around the world?

Could they have just gotten the idea for modern sky cranes from these reliefs or is it history repeating. It was the Bronze age, my research has shown. Or, were the images tinkered with to make them look like flying vessels?

Thoughts ATS...

edit on 12-12-2013 by DaphneApollo because: (no reason given)

Sorry, I dont have time to source this but ;

It has been said (I would say proven, but im not 100% sure) that the reliefs are due to a mixture of 2 different kings writing on the same wall which has given this un translatable symbol which looks like a helicopter.

IMO then if they had helicopters, then we would see more signs of mechanical technology, yet there is none.

Namaste,

reply to post by DaphneApollo


Yeah...why not.

The great Pyramid has been proven recently to have had nothing to do with Khufu at all.

The only link that science has desparately clung to in order to date the great pyramid was the red ochre painted cartouche found above the relieving chambers, which has been shown to be very recently painted (a couple of centuries only) and so cannot possibly be associated with Khufu.

What does that mean?

It means the Giza pyramids could be ANY age. They could be 10,000 years old or even older, going back to a pre-flood era.

Perhaps flood protection for knowledge, art, records of culture, high technology civilisation evidence was the original purpose for building these things in the first place...an ark made from stone, or more accurately i suppose, a massive vault to preserve what the people who built them knew would otherwise be wiped out from whatever caused the flood.

Since these pyramids are found all over the planet and are quite similar in their design and construction, it seems there was once a global, but now long destroyed and forgotten, culture or power in the remote past.

My money is on brutal meteoric bombardment around 13,000 years ago.

This would have accelerated the melting of the ice from the major ice age, cause worldwide flooding and tsunamis, and of course wipe away most of the civilisations during that time.

There is evidence to support the fact that the great pyramid was already existing during the flood. The inside surface of the pyramid, about 2/3 up the height of the thing was once underwater. Salt and minerals associated with the pyramid being underwater are present in a 'tidal mark' at this height, a little like a scum mark on the bath after the water is drained.

IOW, the flood didn't cover it completely, but high enough to submerge most of it.

Yeah, the civilisation who did actually build the pyramids (which doesn't mean Egyptians btw, they could have moved in later) could have had routine access to the same technology that we now do, or similar anyway.

The smaller, imperfect pyramids are what i tend to think of as failed copies of the great pyramids...they came after the flood, in an effort by the later rulers to show how great they were by building their own copies of the main pyramids...they failed in most cases.

DaphneApollo
Relief on a wall at Abydos Temple.
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Thoughts ATS...

These thoughts...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
...in which I explain how you can see for yourself what it really is and how the palimpset came to be.

Ive seen those pics and heard the explanation.
Apparently it 2 glyphs imposed over each other.

I can buy that as a 1 off but to have 3 pics next to each other that resemble modern flying machines?????
I really think that is stretching coincidence too far.

I cant read hieroglyphs but I call BS and conspiracy, the Egyptians were generally quite meticulous with their carvings and I dont recall seeing any other touch up jobs being so shoddy that u can still see the glyphs underneath.

I do think humans had advanced tech in the past but it was most likely used exclusively by the elite which is why we dont see it everywhere in the archaeological record

Just my uneducated 2 cents

The 'helicopter' is actually made up of the phrases psd.t "the ennead of nine" and X3s.wt "foreign countries" carved over the top of each other (in an act of historical revisionism by the new Pharaoh).

Specifically, a portion of the psd.t sign and the X3s.t sign on top of each other.

reply to post by MysterX


Agreed,

And the link between Khufu and the Great Pyramid is vague at best,

However I do definitely think there was a link, Maybe reconstruction/maintanance of the pyramid during Khufu's reign.

We have to remember that all the hieroglyphics ARE from the egyptians, now sure they may just have found the ruins of a previous society and started writing on them, However there is no doubt in my mind that the hieroglyphics in Egypt are from what we refer today as the ancient egyptians.

IMO then this is why there is no writing as to how they constructed the pyramids (While they documented nearly everything else)

Namaste.

alfa1
The 'helicopter' is actually made up of the phrases psd.t "the ennead of nine" and X3s.wt "foreign countries" carved over the top of each other (in an act of historical revisionism by the new Pharaoh).

Specifically, a portion of the psd.t sign and the X3s.t sign on top of each other.

Nah..the official explanation doesn't wash with me.

The way revisionist Pharaohs used to work was to eradicate existing text, sculpure and relief work and carve anew.

Adding symbols to existing sysmbols to create a miss-match, hodge-podge of symbols that mean neither the new or the old is at odds with what they actually did (wipe away or destroy and create new from scratch), and also doesn't convey the message of what the revisionists wanted since the panel does not represent the old or indeed the new supposedly replacing it.

It wouldn't have made any sense to alter it, only to replace it would.

The panel in question was actually hidden beneath a newer stone / plaster veneer, added over the top of the original by later rulers...which is vastly superior to chiselling away at old inscriptions and carvings to alter them.

WiseThinker
reply to post by MysterX

 

Agreed,

And the link between Khufu and the Great Pyramid is vague at best,

However I do definitely think there was a link, Maybe reconstruction/maintanance of the pyramid during Khufu's reign.

We have to remember that all the hieroglyphics ARE from the egyptians, now sure they may just have found the ruins of a previous society and started writing on them, However there is no doubt in my mind that the hieroglyphics in Egypt are from what we refer today as the ancient egyptians.

IMO then this is why there is no writing as to how they constructed the pyramids (While they documented nearly everything else)

Namaste.

Star for you sir.

Agree with you too. Where you say those who we refer to as 'Ancient Egyptians' may have discovered the remains, including the Giza pyramids, of a long forgotten civilisation is pretty much what i suspect had happened.

They would have been in awe of the power of the builders, probably venerated them over time as gods because they could not replicate the technology and techniques used to build them, despite several attempts (bent pyramid, step pyramid etc).

They did carry out maintenence work, this is apparently documented (is this fake too i wonder?), if the documentation is in fact genuine, this proves the pyramid was existing already, and could not have been built by Khufu, only repaired and managed.

I don't believe 'ET' had anything to do with the building of the monuments as some do, but i do feel that the world has had a previous (at least once) high technology civilisation, on a par with our own, but suffered a great, almost unimaginable catastrophy that came close to ending all of us and caused an immediate and terrible decline in global cultures and knowledge learned up to that point.

I do think the people who were around shortly before the calamity knew it was coming and this is the entire purpose for these great pyramids around the world..to try and preserve their achievements and histories for their surviving future generations to hopefully pick up where they left off.

Obviously, this didn't happen. Perhaps the pyramids didn't preserve the history as intended, or the surviving people were too occupied with basic survival, and could not access the repositories (underwater for too long?) and eventually, within a couple of generations, forgot all about the knowledge tucked away inside the great buildings...we can only speculate at this point, but now the cartouche is fake...anything is possible.

I always keep an open mind on ancient technology especially since the Indians had flying machines with technical drawings etc.

What has occurred to me recently is are we looking deep enough for traces of ancient civilisations and in the right places. We have an awful lot of deep sea bed that is relatively undue so how do we know what is under a few feed of silt and sand etc.

What I do know is that until we find real evidence of exactly how the pyramids and some of the other amazing constructions were built, we cannot rule out a technology far superior to ours today having existed here on earth. IMHO we have a hint of it concerning the myth of the tower in Babylon and people all speaking with each other using the same language which for me suggests the possibility of an Internet, so I wait to see if, in my life time, we will get to the real meaning of the Tower of Babel and dig deep enough in the right places. (if they exist)

reply to post by alfa1


Yeah Ive heard it all before and Im not buying it.
1 symbol fine but there are actually 4 there.

Ive seen all the official explanations and my mind is made up. Short of being shown footage of the actual carving happening Im sticking with depictions of flying machines.

It actually looks like they are sticking out from the wall not carved into it???
HOLY WTF!!!!!!

Those images are raised!!!!!
Ca someone tell me how a later pharoah was able to edit it and make it raised not indented??

We officialy have proof of either flying machine or egyptians being able to mold solid rock!!!!!

MysterX

alfa1
The 'helicopter' is actually made up of the phrases psd.t "the ennead of nine" and X3s.wt "foreign countries" carved over the top of each other (in an act of historical revisionism by the new Pharaoh).

Specifically, a portion of the psd.t sign and the X3s.t sign on top of each other.

Nah..the official explanation doesn't wash with me.

The way revisionist Pharaohs used to work was to eradicate existing text, sculpure and relief work and carve anew.

Adding symbols to existing sysmbols to create a miss-match, hodge-podge of symbols that mean neither the new or the old is at odds with what they actually did (wipe away or destroy and create new from scratch), and also doesn't convey the message of what the revisionists wanted since the panel does not represent the old or indeed the new supposedly replacing it.

It wouldn't have made any sense to alter it, only to replace it would.

The panel in question was actually hidden beneath a newer stone / plaster veneer, added over the top of the original by later rulers...which is vastly superior to chiselling away at old inscriptions and carvings to alter them.

Yes and the whole text should be able to show a number of such altered symbols.

I visited the site a few months after it made the rounds on the internet (10plus years ago). There was a bag of plaster on the floor in the corner below it (never seen that in any temple before! but they did say they were doing some restoration). It is carved very high up (just below the ceiling) on the left inside corner as you come through the main entrance.

I'd hired an Egyptian tour guide with a Phd who got really disturbed when I started to talk about it, he went really quiet and just whispered 'there are many things we don't know, many things, that people do not know about yet' he was clearly very nervous, as far as he was aware it was genuine, but it could have been possible for the locals to have created it to help tourism as they were very poor (most of the children did not even have shoes!).

Abydos is considered the most sacred temple in Egypt by many, Its the most incredible temple, nothing quite like that one! It has the oddest feeling for a place, I couldn't even put it into words and one of those exceptionally still vibes that makes you aware of your own heart beating.

The flower of life burned into the stone wall in the passageway is really quite something also.

It took six hours to get there and we had a full on armed escort and we were unable to leave at any point for the duration.

Worth a visit, out of all the temples in Egypt I would rate it as my no.1!

reply to post by MysterX

I do think the people who were around shortly before the calamity knew it was coming and this is the entire purpose for these great pyramids around the world..to try and preserve their achievements and histories for their surviving future generations to hopefully pick up where they left off.

I think along those lines... The pyramids are records with loads of data. Play it Back... They are mysterious enough that they caused us to dig for answers and as a result we find many interesting
things like mathematical concepts to use as one example. Now maybe it was the Egyptians who
built and recorded this or maybe it was another people from an earlier time ?

Maybe it was a huge project they undertook in preparation for some massive earth changing event
coming. Someone sat around thinking on how they could record data that would have a chance to
survive some huge catastrophic event...

What will we leave behind ? What imprints will we leave to be played back that might survive ?


leolady

reply to post by DaphneApollo


The other possibility that no one ever seems to mention is the possibility of time travel, what if somewhere in the future we sent someone back in time, they traveled all the way back to ancient Egypt with no way to turn to the present. While they were living out the rest of their lives in the past they described to the ancient Egyptians what the future would be like.

reply to post by DaphneApollo

MysterX
Nah..the official explanation doesn't wash with me.

The way revisionist Pharaohs used to work was to eradicate existing text, sculpure and relief work and carve anew.

Sometimes I really do wonder why anybody bothers typing explanation for anything on ATS, if they're right in front of readers who dont bother to read.
My first post in this thread was one in which I clearly stated a link could have you *see for yourself* that characters were being filled and rewritten, but it doesnt look like anybody actually bothered.

For people who do wish to know what is going on, follow the link.
There you can see how the name of Seti I, and Ramesses II are superimposed on each other, as a simple example, in that same line of text on that same arch just inches away from the "helicopter".

Get yourself a pen and paper, write down the characters as I show, and see for yourself the superimposition.

Explained hundreds of times (and quite clearly) right here at ATS.
Link

The red ochre paint from the sealed GP chambers has never been dated scientifically, regardless of recent reports (which turned out to be false.)

Harte

Hey Daphne. I sure do believe in advanced ancient technologies. The world is a mysterious place and no one really knows the answers. Look at all the mysterious cave paintings, Manuscripts and alike. It sure is possible the old helicopter has been around before. And even more mysterious crafts SnF

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Thanks Doc. There sure are lots of mysteries and things to uncover and your link I read. WoW is all I could say at that moment. I took time to read it. Wonderful information. Some of that I'd never heard about. Blew my mind.

The part about the Space Shuttle, never heard that before. Very informative. Thanks for that link.