My Paul Walker Thread - Conspiracy?

Here are the TRUE events and facts:


* The car had some kind of mechanical defect. Both drivers KNEW this. Sorry, I don't remember exactly what specific problem the car had but I read that it did in-fact have some issue.

Both drivers talked about the issue before they entered the car.

The purpose of this ride was actually to test what exactly was wrong with the car.

* The Porsche Carrerra GT is *notorious* for an extremely difficult to handle car, whether it's unforeseen circumstances (think: tire blowup, obstacle on road etc.). Expert drivers called it "difficult", "scary" etc., a car which is entirely unforgivable and where even experienced drivers can lose control unexpectedly.


* The speed of this thing is insane with 3.5 secs to 60mph and 8.5 to secs 100mph. It's so fricking powerful and fast that your brain won't have enough time to "switch on common sense" and you're already going 80mph or faster.

* The car is a HORRIBLE car with a gas tank and engine in the middle, right to the side of the passengers. There is no crumple zone in front. How else do you think it was possible that the car got crushed in such a way? Even worse, since the tank is in the middle right where the passengers are...every potential crash leads to gas spilled in the most "inconvenient" location thinkable. (To say it mildly).

* Combine the above with the fact the car HAD some sort of defect and that the car was known to be difficult to handle.

Why does it require a conspiracy theory here?

reply to post by DigitalJedi805


They haven't got the exact speed, but investigators say "at least twice" the speed limit of 45.

According to the detective, there was no doubt that speed was a factor. It was “fair to say” Roger was driving “at least twice” the given speed limit, Jeff said. He also noted that it will take more information to figure the exact details out because the car is “exotic.”

hollywoodlife.com...

as i posted in the other thread about his death, the damage does not seem right.
i wont shouldnt on if or why they were driving a car with issues. dont matter to me but still. maybe they were driving a car with issues. walker is a gear head. maybe he was trying to diagnose it.

what does matter is the damage. the damage seems very excessive for how fast they were going and what they hit.
the car looks like it flew apart.
cars are designed with crumple zones. i would expect to see the front end pushed back towards the fire wall but its not. it looks like the hood exploded straight up and the front clip and at least drivers side fender blew off.
that just does not seem like it would be damaged in that way.
im sure this car had at least some carbon fiber on the body and on the crumple zones. carbon fiber is strong as hell.
i know it had huge performance brake pads and rotors. it 'should' have been able to grind to a stop fairly easy from those speeds.

motor trend and car and driver magazine has guys test all these high end cars for review. they put them through their paces in the 1/4, skid track, etc. they do zero to 60 braking.
this performance car should have been able to stop and should not have had this kind of damage from what they said happened.
just my opinion

reply to post by CardiffGiant


They didn't just hit a tree. They hit a sign, knocked a light pole over, and then hit the tree.

Here is an interesting article which gives 5 reasons why this specific car probably resulted in the fatalities in this accident.

Source for article below

(CNN) -- It has three times the horsepower of the average car. It's notoriously difficult to handle, even for professional drivers. And now, it's known as the car actor Paul Walker was riding in when he died.
Both Walker and his driving team partner, who was behind the wheel, died after the 2005 Porsche Carrera GT they were in slammed into a pole and burst into flames. Los Angeles County authorities say speed was a factor in the crash and are investigating how fast the exotic car was going.
So why is the 2005 Porsche Carrera GT so different from other street cars? Here are five reasons:

1) It flies on the road
The sports car has a top speed of 208 mph, a very high-revving V10 engine and more than 600 horsepower, said Eddie Alterman, editor-in-chief of Car and Driver magazine.

CardiffGiant
as i posted in the other thread about his death, the damage does not seem right.
i wont shouldnt on if or why they were driving a car with issues. dont matter to me but still. maybe they were driving a car with issues. walker is a gear head. maybe he was trying to diagnose it.

About a week before my high school senior prom I fell asleep driving my car (1990ish Chrysler Lebaron), jumped a curb, hit a stop sign which woke me up right as I was about to hit a tree. I was going roughly 25-30 miles an hour.

How much damage would seem right to you for that scenario?

Zaphod58
reply to post by CardiffGiant

 

They didn't just hit a tree. They hit a sign, knocked a light pole over, and then hit the tree.

ok fine.
i still dont think there would have been that kind of damage

The damage, although almost unbelievable when someone sees the pictures, "seems right" if you know that the Porsche Carrera GT has NOTHING under the hood in front, literally. Go check for "Porsche Carrera GT beneath frame" on Google. If this thing hits something head-on, all you can say is good-night. This explains why a 6" tree or a pole may crush this car. This *is* a scary car.

For god's sake, don't compare this car to a 1990 Chrysler. There will be a motor between you and the sign. This car...all there is is some air and some plastic "thing" protecting you from the impact. Look it up.

opethPA

CardiffGiant
as i posted in the other thread about his death, the damage does not seem right.
i wont shouldnt on if or why they were driving a car with issues. dont matter to me but still. maybe they were driving a car with issues. walker is a gear head. maybe he was trying to diagnose it.

About a week before my high school senior prom I fell asleep driving my car (1990ish Chrysler Lebaron), jumped a curb, hit a stop sign which woke me up right as I was about to hit a tree. I was going roughly 25-30 miles an hour.

How much damage would seem right to you for that scenario?

i dont know. 'hitting' a stop sign could mean a lot.
where on the car did it hot for one? i dont think that mattters either way.
as for your list.
a couple of the points have nothing to do with how it is possible the damage could be what it is.
what does price have to do with it? and horsepower?
horsepower dont matter. 45mph is the same in all cars, no matter the horsepower.

all you guys can argue against me and throw up all the links you want. its not gonna change my mind.
its my opinion. ive worked on cars all my life. had body shops attached to the repair shop i was in. seen accidents. seen the results. been in one.
in my opinion the car would not have that kind of damage if it happened how they said. bottom line for me

reply to post by CardiffGiant


The Carrera GT is made of lightweight materials (the body is made of carbon fiber). That means a high speed impact is going to tear it to pieces.

What would you say happened to this GT?

NoRulesAllowed
The damage, although almost unbelievable when someone sees the pictures, "seems right" if you know that the Porsche Carrera GT has NOTHING under the hood in front, literally. Go check for "Porsche Carrera GT beneath frame" on Google. If this thing hits something head-on, all you can say is good-night. This explains why a 6" tree or a pole may crush this car. This *is* a scary car.

For god's sake, don't compare this car to a 1990 Chrysler. There will be a motor between you and the sign. This car...all there is is some air and some plastic "thing" protecting you from the impact. Look it up.

edit on 42013RuThursdayAmerica/Chicago49PMThursdayThursday by NoRulesAllowed because: (no reason given)

well im sure it has crumple zones like every other car on the road.
i would have expected this car to fold into itself but not like in the pics.
i just dont think it happened how they said it did.

i would like to know how much carbon fiber was on this car

reply to post by CardiffGiant


And yet, all the car experts that have seen the pictures of the car have no problem with the amount of damage.

CardiffGiant

opethPA

CardiffGiant
as i posted in the other thread about his death, the damage does not seem right.
i wont shouldnt on if or why they were driving a car with issues. dont matter to me but still. maybe they were driving a car with issues. walker is a gear head. maybe he was trying to diagnose it.

About a week before my high school senior prom I fell asleep driving my car (1990ish Chrysler Lebaron), jumped a curb, hit a stop sign which woke me up right as I was about to hit a tree. I was going roughly 25-30 miles an hour.

How much damage would seem right to you for that scenario?

i dont know. 'hitting' a stop sign could mean a lot.
where on the car did it hot for one? i dont think that mattters either way.
as for your list.
a couple of the points have nothing to do with how it is possible the damage could be what it is.
what does price have to do with it? and horsepower?
horsepower dont matter. 45mph is the same in all cars, no matter the horsepower.

all you guys can argue against me and throw up all the links you want. its not gonna change my mind.
its my opinion. ive worked on cars all my life. had body shops attached to the repair shop i was in. seen accidents. seen the results. been in one.
in my opinion the car would not have that kind of damage if it happened how they said. bottom line for me

HP matters and so does the ability to accelerate and of course (as I pointed out above the fact there is nothing under the hood). Seen the video of the journalist riding with that pro driver? You could see her being SCARED *****LESS! You press down the pedal and in 3 seconds you're at insane speed. A situation where your Chrysler or Toyota can never get into since you will have MUCH more time to react and "turn on common sense". Obviously, a car so powerful is much more prone to such damage because you can reach crazy speeds much quicker.

reply to post by CardiffGiant


Most of the body/chassis is carbon fiber. They have aluminum around the passenger compartment, and steel reinforcements, but the largest part of it is carbon fiber.

Professional race car drivers that have owned this car say how scary it is to drive.

Zaphod58
reply to post by CardiffGiant

 

The Carrera GT is made of lightweight materials (the body is made of carbon fiber). That means a high speed impact is going to tear it to pieces.

What would you say happened to this GT?

carbon fiber is strong as hell. big strength to weight ratio,
wonder what kind of weave was used?
they can increase or decrease the strength in a given direction depending on the weave.

still. im not gonna go back and forth on this one all night.
im sticking to my opinion and its not going to change unless i see a video of the actual crash.

reply to post by DigitalJedi805


Conspiracy ! IDK but I would like to say I was no fan of Mr. Walkers.
But I did enjoy a lot of the movies he was in. I'm saddened by his death.
And send a prayer to Heaven for his soul. No one deserves to die like this.

Father, I pray you, give this man peace, in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen

NoRulesAllowed

CardiffGiant

opethPA

CardiffGiant
as i posted in the other thread about his death, the damage does not seem right.
i wont shouldnt on if or why they were driving a car with issues. dont matter to me but still. maybe they were driving a car with issues. walker is a gear head. maybe he was trying to diagnose it.

About a week before my high school senior prom I fell asleep driving my car (1990ish Chrysler Lebaron), jumped a curb, hit a stop sign which woke me up right as I was about to hit a tree. I was going roughly 25-30 miles an hour.

How much damage would seem right to you for that scenario?

i dont know. 'hitting' a stop sign could mean a lot.
where on the car did it hot for one? i dont think that mattters either way.
as for your list.
a couple of the points have nothing to do with how it is possible the damage could be what it is.
what does price have to do with it? and horsepower?
horsepower dont matter. 45mph is the same in all cars, no matter the horsepower.

all you guys can argue against me and throw up all the links you want. its not gonna change my mind.
its my opinion. ive worked on cars all my life. had body shops attached to the repair shop i was in. seen accidents. seen the results. been in one.
in my opinion the car would not have that kind of damage if it happened how they said. bottom line for me

HP matters and so does the ability to accelerate and of course (as I pointed out above the fact there is nothing under the hood). Seen the video of the journalist riding with that pro driver? You could see her being SCARED *****LESS! You press down the pedal and in 3 seconds you're at insane speed. A situation where your Chrysler or Toyota can never get into since you will have MUCH more time to react and "turn on common sense". Obviously, a car so powerful is much more prone to such damage because you can reach crazy speeds much quicker.

none of that matters. the horsepower dont matter. the time in which you reach the speeds dont matter.
the time you have for a reaction dont matter. im talking about the actual speed at impact.

45mph is the same in this porsche as it is in a ford escort.

I think its a murder, and its kind of ironic that Brian from Family Guy died by car, just a week before this.

I don't think it had anything to do with finding out about the event he went to, more something a little longer termed in the planning by a faction of dark hat ritual killers amongst our PTB criminals, a ritual death by fire to baal, and its not nice.

CardiffGiant
45mph is the same in this porsche as it is in a ford escort.

oh really?

Is 45mph the same in an SUV or a sedan?
What about an escort vs a mini?

You say you have worked on cars your whole life so since you have worked on the car in question what is the right amount of damage for a car like this at any speed?

opethPA

CardiffGiant
45mph is the same in this porsche as it is in a ford escort.

oh really?

Is 45mph the same in an SUV or a sedan?
What about an escort vs a mini?

You say you have worked on cars your whole life so since you have worked on the car in question what is the right amount of damage for a car like this at any speed?

i know there will be more weight behind an suv. thats not what i mean.
im trying to say that the horsepower behind it make no difference.
150hp.
400hp.
if both cars are going 45 then they are both going 45. thats what i mean.

im trying to say the horsepower on this car or how fast it can reach a speed does not matter.

i have never worked on this car and i never claimed to.
im just using my lifes experiences to form an opinion. i have taken the things i know and the things i have seen and formed an opinion and none of your links and 'facts' and attitude is going to change it.
hows that?
i dont need your Q&A. not about this car and not about your lebaron that hopped a curb.
i am allowed to have a different opinion than you. its perfectly fine