The Certain Feeling Of Not Being Alone

What, to you, is the most profound evidence of the paranormal?


Whenever I doubt the paranormal, I simply turn on some ghost stories late at night while I'm going to sleep. No, not fake ghost stories... if you know what I mean... but real accounts, you know, Coast to Coast works pretty well though the Host's presence is comforting enough to kind of forget about the whole negative aspects of the experience.

But, perhaps... any sort of thing would work, just playing a random youtube vid full of ghost tales or something. or putting one of the many slideshows on youtube up of scary and supposedly real ghost photos while youre sitting at home... alone... in the dark... in the deepest recess of your house or dwelling..

I mean, who... who can deny that presence?

Who can sit in the complete dark, ghost photo after ghost photo, ghost tale after ghost tale... reading about ghosts and stuff all night... and NOT experience this?

I really, really am wary of people who say they don't believe in the paranormal. Not because they must be so much different than me, not TO fear something different... but then again ... yes! because they must be so much different than me!

I mean, they're either lying or there is something very different about them. Which, I admit, scares me a bit... and I'm not sure if it's in a good way or a bad way. I hope good. I hope it means they are so level headed that they are just grounded in reality all the time, that would be cool. That would be nice. But, it's unfortunate in a way, because... I suppose if they really don't believe in those things as we KNOW they exist, then... that must mean they don't know as much of the truth as we do.

If it is true, which it is, that there are these things around us... and they don't know it... but are more sane, and we're crazier... or whatever... then they are sane but lack knowledge, and we are crazy and know more about the truth of reality.


Strange, isn't it?

So I genuinely feel a presence often depending where I am at without reading ghost stories. That said, watching spooky ghost stories doesn't really do it for me actually. Some rooms of some houses make me uncomfortable period. Other places will also but if I'm getting the jitters from scary stories it's only because it released those kind of endorphins in your body. It sounds pretty natural not supernatural.

reply to post by Rosinitiate





I never said jitters, and I also never really emphasized what it was... really, no offense... and I want to put this nicely, but please don't derailatron my threadsies!

I made it clear I am certain of the presences around me, more than once. I never said "I simply get the jitters". That's not fair, man.. to put words in my mouth... no harsh feelings, though.. just want you to know that felt a bit pushy.

reply to post by billys2288


Anyway, anyway... to add to your reply. That's interesting. You always have the feeling, of a presence, eh? But, mine is somehow just the jitters? Sorry.. as I began writing this second reply I realize it kind of went back into me defending myself against you. Sorry.

But, I think that's a good point. What makes your presence more valid than mine? You seemed to have the need to belittle my experiences there, and you kind of single handedly prevented my thread from going anywhere.


.... not cool, man.

totally ruined my thread dude, not cool.

reply to post by billys2288

www.abovetopsecret.com...

My post in a ghost thread,re this type of thing.S+f,this subject always interests me because it has been part of my life so much,and for so long.

reply to post by Raxoxane


Well, I didn't mean to be so harsh on our brother up there. But, can you help us get this thread going again Roxaxane? I want to know the differences of people who know ghosts are real and those who absolutely don't believe in them.


Oh, original replier, by the way... ghost photos and stories and such might just be what does it for me.

It didn't used to. So I can sort of relate. I'd never get this kind of experience simply listening to a ghost photo or reading pictures... wait, I said that backwards, but! I can't remember why that was, or how that happened. Or what it felt like to not automatically invite something in by watching something genuinely or possibly paranormal and triggering that... aspect of reality.

Your ruining your own thread not me. You stated in your OP as an example

No, not fake ghost stories... if you know what I mean... but real accounts, you know, Coast to Coast works pretty well though the Host's presence is comforting enough to kind of forget about the whole negative aspects of the experience.

That's called psyching yourself out. You are putting yourself in that state of mind. The difference, sir, is that if I just finished watching Fragle Rock in an otherwise warm and fuzzy room I can sense additional energy. I'll leave it at that.

I'm not saying paranormal doesn't exist, I'm not saying you are incapable of sensing it. I am simply stating that your "example" is an example of a natural reaction to psyching yourself out.

reply to post by billys2288

Also i would like to add this:what is "normal' REALLY?
I know how strange it seems to me,to meet with folks,in real life or on the net,who have never had anything strange happen to them-and yet to folks like that,we seem like the ones with "abnormal lives' i presume? But it is a matter maybe,of what is normal to YOU,to Your life,who ever the individual is. If nothing hi-strange or even remotely weird happened to me for a long while,That would propably feel weird to me,even maybe disturbing.I would'nt know,because it has never happened, that something strange/weird and/or paranormal has Not happened to me for a very long time-so the absence of that would likely seem very weird+"abnormal" to ME personally,you know?
I do not believe anymore,that any of us,can hold onto a certain concept of a way of life as being more "normal' than others,without being wrong.I am not referring to life choices that will obviously hurt others, here,i am referring to what you have been dealt to live with,you know?

reply to post by Rosinitiate

I do get what you mean-i can be reading the creepiest horror in bed on a stormy night,and practically be purring with contentment and a sense of well-being.Then in broad daylight in some places,or at certain times, you feel that there is something present-and there is nothing cosy about that feeling,can be very unpleasant indeed.

reply to post by Rosinitiate


How have you deducted that I'm simply psyching myself out?

If people have the capability of drawing these things into our world, certain people, and... if certain triggers causes my 'subconscious' or whatever.. to begin doing that, then... how can you be entirely certain of what you're claiming here about me?

Really, not to be mean. But this sounds to me like you want your experience to be completely legitimate but mine to not be. I also stated that, I am certain of what I experience... it has been proven to be real in many ways I'm not mentioning.

Raxoxane
reply to post by billys2288

 

Also i would like to add this:what is "normal' REALLY?
I know how strange it seems to me,to meet with folks,in real life or on the net,who have never had anything strange happen to them-and yet to folks like that,we seem like the ones with "abnormal lives' i presume? But it is a matter maybe,of what is normal to YOU,to Your life,who ever the individual is. If nothing hi-strange or even remotely weird happened to me for a long while,That would propably feel weird to me,even maybe disturbing.I would'nt know,because it has never happened, that something strange/weird and/or paranormal has Not happened to me for a very long time-so the absence of that would likely seem very weird+"abnormal" to ME personally,you know?
I do not believe anymore,that any of us,can hold onto a certain concept of a way of life as being more "normal' than others,without being wrong.I am not referring to life choices that will obviously hurt others, here,i am referring to what you have been dealt to live with,you know?

I get what you're saying, but that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is: If certain people experience ghosts, and ghosts ARE real... but certain people DON'T experience ghosts and don't believe in them, and they are possibly deemed more sane or level headed, or maybe even ARE more sane or level headed...


then that means...

that the "sane" group of individuals is NOT experiencing a TRUE and REAL aspect of reality that we are experiencing.

Raxoxane
reply to post by Rosinitiate

 

I do get what you mean-i can be reading the creepiest horror in bed on a stormy night,and practically be purring with contentment and a sense of well-being.Then in broad daylight in some places,or at certain times, you feel that there is something present-and there is nothing cosy about that feeling,can be very unpleasant indeed.

Ok, so you have a different "trigger" than I do... that doesn't mean that my trigger doesn't legitimately bring about presences just as your "triggers" or "methods" do... even if your triggers or methods are not triggers or methods, even if they are constant and automatic.

Raxoxane
reply to post by Rosinitiate

 

I do get what you mean-i can be reading the creepiest horror in bed on a stormy night,and practically be purring with contentment and a sense of well-being.Then in broad daylight in some places,or at certain times, you feel that there is something present-and there is nothing cosy about that feeling,can be very unpleasant indeed.

It seems to me that the ones that like to let themselves known are usually the ones that want something. For me I must be cognizant as I'm aware of voids from within to which they can cling....and feast.

Sites like this or Coast to Coast can in a sense open a doorway because you become open to the idea but certainly not necessary and I suppose deducing the difference is key also.

billys2288

Raxoxane
reply to post by Rosinitiate

 

I do get what you mean-i can be reading the creepiest horror in bed on a stormy night,and practically be purring with contentment and a sense of well-being.Then in broad daylight in some places,or at certain times, you feel that there is something present-and there is nothing cosy about that feeling,can be very unpleasant indeed.

Ok, so you have a different "trigger" than I do... that doesn't mean that my trigger doesn't legitimately bring about presences just as your "triggers" or "methods" do... even if your triggers or methods are not triggers or methods, even if they are constant and automatic.

Listen, you don't have to rationalize your "feelings" to me, I was merely making an observation from your OP. I'm not even here...I'm a ghost.

Rosinitiate

Raxoxane
reply to post by Rosinitiate

 

I do get what you mean-i can be reading the creepiest horror in bed on a stormy night,and practically be purring with contentment and a sense of well-being.Then in broad daylight in some places,or at certain times, you feel that there is something present-and there is nothing cosy about that feeling,can be very unpleasant indeed.

It seems to me that the ones that like to let themselves known are usually the ones that want something. For me I must be cognizant as I'm aware of voids from within to which they can cling....and feast.

Sites like this or Coast to Coast can in a sense open a doorway because you become open to the idea but certainly not necessary and I suppose deducing the difference is key also.

Ok, but you just admitted... that in a sense it can open a doorway. and, Coast to Coast was an example. it helps me, for some reason, to have a sort of trigger... at least at this time of my life. I know what you mean, you don't always need one. But.. I guess.. that's just what works for me at this time in my life.

Honestly, and I do mean in all honesty. I'll just come out with it... but the "tingly" "spooky" feeling people I get, is actually no different than the real thing.

I think the "tingly" "spooky" feeling is the onset of spiritual entrances, but many if not most people are grounded enough in reality that it never goes much past that, and usually gets brushed off as 'psyching' yourself up.

I start with a "tingly" "spooky" psyching myself up feeling, then it gets real.

So, I think, in a sense... they are the same thing. Just one is the earlier stage of the other.

and, maybe not always.. maybe sometimes you can just get spooked without it being paranormal. But, I'm trying to relay to you that this is not what I'm experiencing...

Rosinitiate

billys2288

Raxoxane
reply to post by Rosinitiate

 

I do get what you mean-i can be reading the creepiest horror in bed on a stormy night,and practically be purring with contentment and a sense of well-being.Then in broad daylight in some places,or at certain times, you feel that there is something present-and there is nothing cosy about that feeling,can be very unpleasant indeed.

Ok, so you have a different "trigger" than I do... that doesn't mean that my trigger doesn't legitimately bring about presences just as your "triggers" or "methods" do... even if your triggers or methods are not triggers or methods, even if they are constant and automatic.

Listen, you don't have to rationalize your "feelings" to me, I was merely making an observation from your OP. I'm not even here...I'm a ghost.

Well, and again.. you call them feelings. unless by putting quotes you were saying they could be more than feelings. ive never meant any harshness between you and i, senior dodo

But.. when I say I'm experiencing something, especially for someone like you who understands, you should be willing to accept that I may very well have already confirmed it. let me say again, I have confirmed it. just as you have.

and, i know i don't have to rationalize them to you. but... it's the overall appearance of me and my thread being challenged. WHICH IS OK. you should do that, you should of course write whatever you want, but.. i should also come back with a defense of my character and integrity on the matter as well.

reply to post by billys2288

I wish i could be of more help,billy2288,its just that i myself cannot really "grok" not believing in the paranormal-to me it is just life,always had been,to sense presences,sometimes very strange experiences,even in childhood,whacked-out stuff,to the present day,it is the only normal i personally know.I would like to be of more help,but i cannot even imagine it,i am sorry.I would'nt even know where to begin,but i would liken it to say,cultures-different cultures,ag ancient Chinese+ancient Africans+ancient Peruvians,just a whole different experience of life in each case,none more valid or valuable than the other,or less-just different life experience making some other's folk's life experience seem unusual?
Sorry if i don't make sense,i was trying for the nearest analogy to what i can imagine.

Raxoxane
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I wish i could be of more help,billy2288,its just that i myself cannot really "grok" not believing in the paranormal-to me it is just life,always had been,to sense presences,sometimes very strange experiences,even in childhood,whacked-out stuff,to the present day,it is the only normal i personally know.I would like to be of more help,but i cannot even imagine it,i am sorry.I would'nt even know where to begin,but i would liken it to say,cultures-different cultures,ag ancient Chinese+ancient Africans+ancient Peruvians,just a whole different experience of life in each case,none more valid or valuable than the other,or less-just different life experience making some other's folk's life experience seem unusual?

Sorry if i don't make sense,i was trying for the nearest analogy to what i can imagine.

You make sense, a lot of sense. except... i think the old "every experience is just as valid as another's" is kind of washed up, no offense. I mean, maybe that's not true. Maybe it IS true, but maybe it isn't.

maybe some people are really shut off to certain things in life, or.. maybe what they don't see in the Paranormal aspects of reality, they make up for in seeing more 'sane' things than we do.

I guess, so... i agree and disagree.


But the whole point is, the whole point of my thread is...

How do some people go their whole lives without experiencing any sort of anything...? Even the most blatant and obvious ones such as presences which we experience on a daily basis.

I mean, how is that possible...

and, is it possible they're lying... and can't accept it?

reply to post by billys2288

Oh i see,well i know those who claim to not believe in ghosts/paranormal activity(whether they have never experienced it or have but won't admit) are by certain societies in general perceived as more "sane".Then i think of Chinese culture+society,who are heavy believers in ghosts-no one there would be thought of as less sane for having seen a ghost..or having paranormal experiences,i think in Japan it is much the same,from what i have read,anyway,i have come to the conclusion that these are societies where the supernatural world is considered not "abnormal".So maybe it is a conditioned perception in certain societies,where the paranormal is not so widely accepted as fact,that there are connections formed in people's minds, between people who admit to paranormal experiences and the "wellness' of their mental state?Maybe in a society where the supernatural/paranormal/otherdimensional overlap? if that's the right term,is seen as a perfectly normal,reasonable part of life,though often an unpleasant/scary one,it is still more accepted,because for a far longer time period,this has been part of that specific culture? And thus,imo anyway,considering the above,plus my own life experiences,my hubby's and that of people i have known,one's mental wellbeing may be Influenced by recurring negative experiences of a paranormal nature,but not the Cause of the occurances.Of course there ARE mentally ill folks all over the world who may account for some of the stories out there,due to hallucinating,or medication,but imo they would be the minority-also,the genuinely mentally ill could easily be distinguished re this specific matter,because they would have trouble functioning in all,or most spheres of life,and not just in matters that involve claims of paranormal activity.Well that's what i think,anyway.