Is Pope Francis Still Sneaking Out at Night to Feed and Give Money to the Poor?

illuminnaughty
Ah so he did do things out of sight. Perhaps because it was not the truth?

So when the pope did good things on his own secretly, you came down on him saying he wasn't being like Christ because he was being secretive about his good works, yada yada yada ...

And now that you find out you were dead wrong, you now come down on the Pope for acting like Christ and doing good things in secret.

You are just a senseless trolling joke.

reply to post by illuminnaughty

Ah so he did do things out of sight. Perhaps because it was not the truth?

What does that even mean?

The reason that he did things away from crowds and authorities is a theological one. As you appear to have a first or second grade level of understanding of religion, there is obviously no reason to try and explain it to you.

As FlyersFan suggests, try reading the text before commenting on it, as your ignorance does not further your argument.

That buy bull has got an excuse or saying for every thing. What ever is needed the devil dodger (priest) just turns to the correct page and spiels out what ever is needed. If an adolf type goes to see him, then its ok as there will be a page excusing and supporting him. Or if a poor guys goes, then he turns to another page and reads out some what ever about the meek inheriting the world. Or a rich man will never get to heaven ect. Yes the MEN who wrote that scam manual sure had every thing covered. God wrote nothing. MAN did. Oh yes he wrote the 10 commandments. Alas they has vanished, so we have no proof of any thing written by the great spirit in the sky. All we have are a load of guys dressed in black dresses, who molest children and build great churchs with the proceeds of every country they looted and robbed. South america ect. Any where you go on the planet we have this gang of men in black dresses, with their hands out begging off the poor or who ever they can con into the scam. Getting back to this pope guy gods main man on earth. So he should be sneaking about in the dark doing things? Out of sight? Just does not sound right to me. Why hide in the dark and do things that no one sees? Maybe they can then claim that god did it and that it must be a miracle? Didnt the help the nazies to escape after the war? In fact wasnt the last one a hitler youth? God surely moves in mysterious ways. Even turned a nazi into a good man. Hang on a minute why did he resign again? Oh yes covering up for paedophile priests.

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It means that no one saw this miracle? So he could say any thing he liked and if you ask for proof then what? Oh ye man of little faith or some other put down/excuse for not believing in the story.

reply to post by illuminnaughty

Getting back to this pope guy gods main man on earth. So he should be sneaking about in the dark doing things? Out of sight? Just does not sound right to me.

Illuminaughty, I would be ever so pleased if all of the things I did didn't "sound right" to you. I can think of no higher praise than to receive your criticism.

I assume you are very knowledgeable about some thing. You would be doing ATS a great service if you started, or posted in, a thread that had something to do with your area of expertise, instead of here.

reply to post by NowanKenubi


I imagine the Pope can't go anywhere with out the Papal guard. Kind of like the President can't go anywhere with out the Secret Service. That and also if he went out dressed like the Pope he would attract a ton of attention and wouldn't be able to do what he wanted. This is purely conjecture but it makes the most sense to me.

...oops look like someone already covered this, my bad!

illuminnaughty
reply to post by EricD

 

As far as I can recall about jesus he did all his stuff in the open. When he fed the thousands with a loaf of bread and a few fish? That was not done in the dark hidden away? Or curing the blind ect that was hidden away and done in the dark? or the other so called miracles they were all hidden and done out of sight?

I can't believe that I'm replying to this. Can you please explain how we would know about acts of compassion that Christ engaged in that were private and not known? Can you please point out where it was said that acts of charity should not be done on a personal level? Can you please explain how acts of public charity precludes someone from engaging in acts of private charity?

As I am not very religious and dont really like those types of people.

That's not a sentence and I have no idea how the rest of your post is relevant to the discussion.

I think it is time to stop feeding the troll....

If someone truly wants to act compassionately toward their fellow man, then they do not seek the limelight when doing it.

There is a difference between doing it in "secret" and doing it without drawing unnecessary attention.

Giving to the poor personally without trumpets and fanfare is just as effective, and perhaps more effective. In many places the poor are humiliated by the fact that they need the assistance in the first place. Drawing attention to the fact you are assisting them only adds to the humiliation. How humiliating would it be for them to be on international news being show that they need the assistance?

I applaud anyone, including the Pope, who assists those who need assistance. I have more respect for the anonymous donor than the named one just for the fact that the gift was given because they wanted to give and not because they wanted to be seen giving. There is a big difference in my book.

reply to post by BomSquad

Dear BomSquad,

Very well done, indeed! An excellent point which we have pretty much forgotten.

Giving to the poor personally without trumpets and fanfare is just as effective, and perhaps more effective. In many places the poor are humiliated by the fact that they need the assistance in the first place. Drawing attention to the fact you are assisting them only adds to the humiliation. How humiliating would it be for them to be on international news being show that they need the assistance?

Many people here, including myself, will tell you how embarrassing and painful it is to go through the government forms, sit in the public waiting rooms, and be called up by number to hear the judgment passed upon us.

Whether it's "Sorry, you didn't fill the form in right," or "Here you are, a few dollars from the benevolent state that is taking care of you, you pitiful wretch," or "No, you're not needy enough, but you can always appeal by filling out this booklet of forms," the experience is humiliating and degrading. Somehow, though, politicians keep saying they're doing a good thing, and try to draw more people into the net.

There's a fellow who moved into our little town about two-three years ago. He had an idea for a food shelf which he had seen work where he lived in Idaho. He collected donations and volunteers, rented an entire building, and stocked it with donations from people only he knows about.

If you want food, you walk in, put your name and a little other information on a one page sheet and then take up to forty pounds of whatever you need (with some limits). Everyone is treated the same way, and everyone gets helped. Many, voluntarily, come back to help load shelves or whatever is needed. Compare that to the food stamp program.

With respect,
Charles1952

adjensen
reply to post by illuminnaughty

 

Would`nt it be better if he did it in the day time and set an example for the worlds religions? Sneaking about in the dark is for demons and evil types. Hidden secret gifts? lol jesus didnt hide or sneak about in the dark so why should gods main man on earth do it?

He's doing what Jesus said to do, in the way that Jesus said to do it.

“Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

“So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. (Matthew 6:1-4 NIV)

So when the Father sees that you have done good deeds (in secret) he will reward you.

I would love to hear what the people who believe this type of thing, actually think what these rewards will be? (I assume that any answer will be made up and intangible at best, and no one will have idea any whatsoever).

And are people who do these good deeds only doing it for rewards from heaven as the texts seem to suggest?

reply to post by ooMoo

Dear ooMoo,

Have you ever been in love? I don't mean the sex kind, but the head-over-heels, writing poetry, picking flowers for her, kind?

People do those things because they're in love. If she happens to mention, in a passing remark, that she enjoys the Beatles, that kind of lover will get her a box set as soon as he can.

It's the same with us and God. We don't do it for any other reward then to please Him and be with Him eternally after this life. After all, don't lovers say "I want to be with you forever?"

With respect,
Charles1952

This new Pope is doing a HELL of a lot to shut me up, in regards to my opinions on Christians. See, I was under the impression that a person who believed Jesus Christ was our Messiah and decide to follow him should do a hell of a lot more to emulate the life he lived. Get rid of hatred within themselves, love God and love the rest of mankind. Christ never turned people away, even when his followers advised him to, cast out money lenders and was humble.

The Pope, who is believed to be the father of the Roman Church, should therefore be a man who is living the life of Christ. Something which, up until now, they have been loathe to do.

But this guy! This guy give me hope! I've been following him very closely ever since he was elected. An act, which I'm sure, the bishops very much regret now! While some of the things he's done are simply nice, some of them are pretty groundbreaking considering the history of the papacy. My favourite things? Almost everything

JackofBlades

But this guy! This guy give me hope! I've been following him very closely ever since he was elected. An act, which I'm sure, the bishops very much regret now! While some of the things he's done are simply nice, some of them are pretty groundbreaking considering the history of the papacy. My favourite things? Almost everything

This! I'm not Catholic, but I love Pope Francis. He's given me more hope and faith than I've known for a very long time... so much that I'm afraid it's too good to be true. But as long as he stays his course and keeps fighting the good fight, I'm keeping the faith and praying for Pope Francis with all my heart.

reply to post by EricD


The reason I`m not happy with all you spirit in the sky gang people, is because I look back to history and I see things that just dont gell with the idea, of some gentle loving kind god. Doing great things for charity and the good of all.
The midenites? Is that their name? You know the ones that your god told moses to murder every last one of them. even smashing the childrens heads in ect. In fact that buy bull should not be allowed to be read in public. There are more perverted things in it than any x rated porn mag. Incest murder rape genocide you name it and there is a page on it in the buy bull.
Lets have a look at the council of Nicea. That is where this buy bull was created? You will agree that it was composed or fabricated there? Some MAN or men decided what was to be included within it. That is true yes? Not god and also not no spirit in the sky. MEN. The council of Nicea was gathered there by whom? Constantine? You know that roman guy. (Think he was a brit?) Who needed a new GOD for his holy roman empire. A god to unite all the different peoples that he had conquered. After 18 mths. He returned to Nicea and said have you found my new GOD for my holy roman empire? They said yes well sort of or at least they had gathered all the different stories and fabricated them into a BOOK. A book which they claim was written by GOD. Am I wrong on this? Go your selves and have a look about this council of Nicea.
I`m just a troll lol What does that make you lot? Liars? deceivers?

it should be interesting to hear what Bo**ocks that you can come up with to refute what I said about the creation of the bible.

So if the bible was created by men at the council of Nicea. Then there is no point in quoting from it to back up this tale of a great good kind jesus. Who apart from one or two romans is never mentioned any where else in history. No historian of his time even mentions him. Not a single person mentions any miracles created by some guy called jesus at that point in time.
So some guy sneaking about in the dark doing great works just does not seem right. Perhaps he does it because of guilt? The guilt caused by his predecessors, who murdered and looted their way around the world in the name of this gentle kind loving jesus guy.
I would love it all to be true that their was a god and a jesus. Who did all these great things. How ever the evidence just does not back it up. The new testament was written some hundreds of years after jesus`s time so that is no good either.
Now back to this pope sneaking about in the dark doing charity work. As I said earlier he would be far better stripping all the stolen gold and valuables out of the church and returning it to the rightful owners. That would be a great thing and some thing, which this jesus guy would do. Its on a par with robbing the money lenders in the temple. Because that is exactly what he did he took their money and tossed it to his gang in the crowd. You can refute this by saying that he didnt steal it. But the evidence in the bible backs up what I say.
But as the bible was a man made creation, then even that can not be used as evidence. I mean its like me quoting from lord of the rings and claiming that its the truth and any one who does not believe me is going to burn in hell for ever.
What would this jesus guy do if he returned today and looked at the Vatican? Looked at these popes sneaking about in the dark? Who sit upon golden thrones and are dressed in the finest garments and wear expensive jewelry? Feasting on the finest food and wine that can be provided? Foods fit for kings, who also claim that some spirit in the sky gave them a devine right to rule over us? No doubt it was a pope that made that line up, being gods main man on earth at the time. Yes You are a king and I have just spoken to god and he agrees that you should rule over the people of your land, provided you `donate` some thing to the house ? or church of god.

BomSquad
I think it is time to stop feeding the troll....

EXCELLENT REMINDER.
DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

There is a difference between doing it in "secret" and doing it without drawing unnecessary attention.

Absolutely. And, as we have seen by some posts in this thread some will damn him if he does and damn him if he doesn't. I'm sure the pope doesn't care what people think. He'll just continue on trying to be "jesus' to people. Good for him.

There is a difference between doing it in "secret" and doing it without drawing unnecessary attention.


yada yada yada

The pope does not care what people think? What kind of a statement is that? He is supposed to care about the people and what they think and believe in. That is why he is head of the organisation. He is supposed to be gods main man on earth. Caring for their well being and trying to stop them from following the wrong path and ending up in hell?

If he does not care what people think then why sneak about in the dark? Why not do it in day light and set a good example?

This will be my last response to you. Your woeful ignorance makes any further correspondence useless. I'm already regretting responding at all.

You clearly have absolutely no knowledge about what is being discussed. You have considerable problems staying on topic. After people correct your errors, you continue to spout them.

There are plenty of atheists on ATS that are well educated and have done reasonable research into Christianity and the Bible. Obviously, you aren't one of them.

The Bible was not 'created by men at the Council of Nicea'. Forget about the question of whether or not it was 'created by men' or not. You simply have no idea of what you are talking about. The Council of Nicea dealt with the nature of Christ's divinity and the dating of Easter. Not the formation of the Bible.

There is no evidence that Jesus tossed the coins from the money-changers to his followers.

The New Testament was not written hundreds of years after the time of Jesus.

You don't know what you're talking about and you don't let that get in the way of your poorly written tirades.

Eric

illuminnaughty
So if the bible was created by men at the council of Nicea. Then there is no point in quoting from it to back up this tale of a great good kind jesus. Who apart from one or two romans is never mentioned any where else in history. No historian of his time even mentions him. Not a single person mentions any miracles created by some guy called jesus at that point in time.
So some guy sneaking about in the dark doing great works just does not seem right. Perhaps he does it because of guilt? The guilt caused by his predecessors, who murdered and looted their way around the world in the name of this gentle kind loving jesus guy.
I would love it all to be true that their was a god and a jesus. Who did all these great things. How ever the evidence just does not back it up. The new testament was written some hundreds of years after jesus`s time so that is no good either.
Now back to this pope sneaking about in the dark doing charity work. As I said earlier he would be far better stripping all the stolen gold and valuables out of the church and returning it to the rightful owners. That would be a great thing and some thing, which this jesus guy would do. Its on a par with robbing the money lenders in the temple. Because that is exactly what he did he took their money and tossed it to his gang in the crowd. You can refute this by saying that he didnt steal it. But the evidence in the bible backs up what I say.
But as the bible was a man made creation, then even that can not be used as evidence. I mean its like me quoting from lord of the rings and claiming that its the truth and any one who does not believe me is going to burn in hell for ever.
What would this jesus guy do if he returned today and looked at the Vatican? Looked at these popes sneaking about in the dark? Who sit upon golden thrones and are dressed in the finest garments and wear expensive jewelry? Feasting on the finest food and wine that can be provided? Foods fit for kings, who also claim that some spirit in the sky gave them a devine right to rule over us? No doubt it was a pope that made that line up, being gods main man on earth at the time. Yes You are a king and I have just spoken to god and he agrees that you should rule over the people of your land, provided you `donate` some thing to the house ? or church of god.

reply to post by EricD

Eric .. don't bother ... trolls just spew and this one has gotten so many facts wrong already it's more like a freak show. He doesn't want to listen or learn. This thread is dead anyways.

Here you are eric. the bible was written by MEN.


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I`m sure this will back up my claims that the bible was created so that Constantine could unite the people under one god. For his new holy roman empire.

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This was the first canon. The first bible was created there. Under Constantine.
A collection of books scrolls papers and 300 guys who decided what went into or what was omitted from the bible.

Jesus was he a man or a god?

So he did not rob the money lenders in the temple?
Well I dont know about what you would call robbery, but to any judge today he would have been charged with robbery. For what he did in the temple. Were there any of his gang in the crowd? I should think so. Why else do it? oh yes I forgot you religious types like to do things in secret.