The trully Kennedy Curse, over anybody pointed in anyway on JFK's death mystery

The Peace of God to all that belong to the light,
Dear Readers,


Was there a conspiracy on JFK death?

it Seems that the answer is Yes, since the disclosure of a lot of elements, under the freedom of information act, that were classified along various decades, point in that direction.

Now, the real important question of who was behind it is not easy to answer. We know from these new revelations that Attorney General Robert F Kennedy, was sure that it was indeed a plot in the assassination of his brother, but he preferred to perform his own private silent investigation before to initiate any scandal.

The violent death of RFK in 1968, while being the most probable winner of the Presidential Election, is practically a confirmation of the existence of a huge conspiracy. We also now know that Jacqueline Kennedy-Onassis died thinking that her husband was the victim of a political conspiracy.

Mrs Kennedy-Onassis was the only first lady that never took part again in any official state act hosted in the white house on the rest of her life. The funeral of JFK was her last official public political act. She remained recluded in her privacy, taking care of her children, and just only coming out to attend or Preside Charity, cultural or Art Events until her death. She married The greek tycoon Aristotle Onassis immediatly after the death of her brother in Law RFK, apparently as a way to escape from the public scene in America.

It is quite disturbing to think on that, but after all JFK and RFK's only surviving brother Senator Edward Kennedy experienced in between 1965 and 1970 two very suspicious accidents, in airplane and in car, and also JFK jr. died in strange circumstances after his political debut in the Democratic convention of 1996, very similar to the ones took the life of Alexander Onassis, his step brother.

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Many have referred the so many tragedies and casualties that the Kennedys clan have affronted and suffered as their curse. However, they can be explained also as possibly the best evidence of the existence of a clear plot against them. This would have begun with the jealousy of the Mob for the special free trading license granted by FDR to Joseph Kennedy to import liquors for medicinal purposes in the middle of the prohibition time.

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As an epilogue of this Story, talking about curses it is, however, interesting to see that many of the suspicious plotters either to be linked in JFK crime, by action or omission, or in to have relaxed the security around the President and slow down the ulterior investigations, even with any possible cover-up, didn't enjoy a so nice future:

Lets check what happened with them:

1) Mob leader Santos Trafficante, became seized of all his assets in Cuba and expelled of that country;
2) Mob Union leader Jimmy Hoffa disappeared(July 30, 1975), probably murdered by his own fellow associates.
3) The partners Carlos Marcelo and Jack Ruby were both jailed, the last one charged of the murder of his good friend Lee Harvey Oswarld. Recently has been disclosing a tape recording of Marcelo confessing his participation in the plot.
4) The Mob Godfather Sam Giancana was deposed by Ricca and Accardo as day-to-day boss of the Maffia. He was killed (June 19, 1975) in his own house by a lonely murderer.
5) Former Texas Governor John Connally, after breaking with the Democratic opposition he was appointed by Nixon as his treasure secretary, he switched of political party(May 1973). He lost twice his chance to be President in the Republican ticket, in 1974 when Nixon didn't appoint him as his second Vicepresident, but Gerald Ford, and in 1980 when he was defeated by Ronald Reagan. He filed bankruptcy(1986).
6) Howard Hunt ( Do you remember the three Tramps?) and his fellow Cuban exiled partners were arrested in the Watergate building and affronted charges of political espionage. He himself recorded a death confession to have been informed of a JFK assassination plot.
7) Former Presidents Richard M Nixon, Lyndon B Johnson, Gerald Ford and George H. Bush ended their political careers in a sad way, in spite of all their efforts to overcome their difficult times, either through the path of public discredit after resignation, or with their administrations swamped by severe crisis or unsuccessful wars.
8) Nikita Khrushev became the first Soviet leader that was forced to resignate(October 14, 1964), his two great achievements (the Pact Warsaw and the Berlin Wall) were abolished, and the USSR finally collapsed in spite that he once claimed to be the man that was going to bury the USA. Ironically, his elder son, exiled in America, where he works as academician.
9) Fidel Castro had the not so nice honor to be the last Dinosaur of the western Marxism and forced to resignate due to health problems(July 31, 2006), and curiously The CIA never was able to overthrown him.
10) Polls show that today 70% of the American public think that the Warren Comission report was in the best of the cases wrong. Two of the members ( Senator Jesse Russel and John Sherman Cooper) of this Presidential comission repented publically of their initial support to the so called "magic bullet" and the single lonely assassin theory. Dallas Police chief officer Jesse Curry also expressed his concerns about it.
11) Governor George Wallace of Alabama, who opposed the civil rights policies and traveled to Dallas, few days before JFK, to agitate the political hatred against his administration was victim of an attempt too (May 15, 1972) and gravely injured on it.
12) John A McCone resigned from his position of Director of the Central of Intelligence (CIA) in April 1965, believing himself to be unappreciated by President Lyndon B. Johnson, who he complained, would not read his reports. Upon his resignation, McCone submitted a final policy memorandum to Johnson arguing that Johnson's expansion of the war in Vietnam would arouse national and world discontent before it brought down the North Vietnamese regime.

It seems, after all, that there is indeed a bad Karma around the possible JFK death plots, and at the end a conspiracy don't pay off, for too long time, isn't it?

What do you think?,

this is indeed a more devastating curse than any other one ever linked with the Kennedys, isnt it?.

pls read:

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Thanks for your attention,

reply to post by The angel of light

Many have referred the so many tragedies and casualties that the Kennedys clan have affronted and suffered as their curse.

They were all successful as politicians until they were killed or disgraced (in the case of Ted Kennedy). If theres a curse why didn't they die in childbirth?

I think the ones that had them killed are cursed. Dark forces wanted their way and in their path stood these men. So they killed them.

A curse on those fools.

reply to post by intrptr


Hi,

Thanks for your reply, It is quite clear that there is some kind of mysterious JFK's death Curse, still running unstoppable in America, like a modern version of the so famous Pharao's ones of ancient Egypt, so powerful that can be only explained by a divine origin, since it has affected the lives of people that were once in the core of the establishment, actual intouchable ones, but in the other way around.

sincerely,

The Angel of Lightness


Psalm 118:22
The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone;

Isaiah 28:16
So this is what the Sovereign LORD says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who relies on it will never be stricken with panic.

Matthew 21:43
"Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.

Mark 12:10
Haven't you read this passage of Scripture: "'The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone;

Romans 9:33
As it is written: "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who believes in him will never be put to shame."

Matthew 21:44

And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Luke 20:18

Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

reply to post by The angel of light

Dear Readers
The Peace of God to all that belong to the Light,

There were moments in modern American History when it was extremely evident the presence of what I have called the Trully Kennedy Curse, the long state of national chronic crisis, carried out from the drastic change of course experienced after the Assassination of the great leader that was JFK.

In those six key instants of national reflection, it became clear that the country was affronting a very bad time, and it was needed to arrive to a deep state of meditation about where and when it was taken the wrong path?, the fatal turning point in the History of the country, perhaps November 22nd 1963.

These 6 historic moments were:

1) The decission of President Lyndon Johnson to don't pursue the Democratic nomination for the election of 1968, renouncing in fact to his priviledge to it, and so to any intention to seek relection, in March 31st of that year:

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Mr Johnson was the political rival of JFK in the Democractic Primary of 1960, his runner mate in the Presidential of that year, and as his Vicepresident his successor in the oval office, after his tragic death occurred in Texas, his state, in a preelectoral political tour.

2) The final moment in power of President Richard Nixon on August 16th 1974, when he became first citizen to resignate effectively to continue in the office of the President of the United states, for which he was elected in 1968 and relected in 1972,

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Mr Nixon was the political rival of President John F Kennedy in the election of 1960 and also of Senator Robert F Kennedy in the 1968s, and in a sort of very strange coindicence in a lecturer tour, for Pepsicola company, in Dallas Texas the day of the Assassination.

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For years he denied his presence on Dallas that day, but films taken by journalists, like this one, showed that his memory was clearly failing in to recall it correctly.

3) The speech of President Gerald Ford, in his inauguration on August 1974, better remembered by his famous phrase 5 mins after he began, in which he called the nation to try to stop what he called: "Our long national nightmare".

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Mr. Ford was the youngest member of the so called Presidential Warren comission arranged to investigate the JFK crime, and that after less than a year of work, ignoring the testimony of dozens of witnesses and a lot of crucial evidence, concluded that it was the demential act of a lone assassin: the exmarine Lee H Oswald

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4) Since, unfortunately, it was clear that the nightmare, in spite of his wish, was certainly not yet over, the cycle ended with the so famous Malaise speech, July 15th 1979, of President Jimmy Carter with his so also tremendously descriptive statement:

"Our people are losing that faith, not only in government itself but in the ability as citizens to serve as the ultimate rulers and shapers of our democracy.", that served as a kind of epilogue of this strange but very real phenomenon, and at the same time as a call to correct the path, and overcome the national skepticism about future.

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Mr. Carter was not at all involved in any possible conspiracy theory around JFK crime, but he was the first Democratic President after Watergate, the first one that had the opportunity to reopen the investigations about the deaths of the two Kennedys, and Martin Luther King, as it was recommended during his administration by the house of representatives Assassinations committee in December 30th 1978, and however he decided to don't do it, for reasons that he only knows.

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5) The key question in the TV Presidential debate of 1992 election, about the impact of the national deficit, that challenged a lot President George H. Bush, when a common American young woman questioned his ability to understand well the suffering of millions of middle or low class fellow Americans suffering the impact of the high rates of unemployment and lack of opportunities in the climate of extreme economic recession this caused.

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Mr. G. H. W. Bush, first incumbent President that lost an election in History confronting two opponents, has been pointed in several journalist and media investigations about his past. Somebody with his exactly same name, including all his initials, would have been present in Dallas Texas the day of the Assassination as a possible CIA agent, something that seems to be supported in a memo signed by Edgar J Hoover, General Director of the FBI. He has denied emphatically such claims during and after his administration.

6) Mr Ross Perot "Giant Suck Sound" interpelation also in the 1992 TV Presidential Debate, that many believe is still the most formidable prediction of the kind of great recession periodic crisis Globalization was going to carry out if it became implemented.

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Mr. Perot is still the most voted Independent Presidential Candidate ever had in the History of the USA, nominated by the Reform party, and he himself was a Texan multimillionaire entrepreuner that challanged with his openess and bold protectionist points of view on economy the validity of the new world order proposed by the G. H Bush to fix the post Iraq war recession and rearrange the international arena at the end of the Cold war through the via of free trade. His remarks, for which he is still remembered, sounded as great warning on time of the consequences comming at future if America continued walking in the wrong Neo conservative path.

Thanks for your attention,

your friend,

The Angel of Lightness

reply to post by The angel of light


I believe " The Kennedy curse " was only sold to the more gullible of the
american public.

Very nice thread at any rate. Worthy of the great fallen in modern american history.
I truly believe Lyndon Joghnson felt remorse.


SnF

reply to post by randyvs


Well, Dear Randyvs,

it was not just exclusively the American forces that clearly had something against Kennedy the ones that became affected after his assassination, the most interesting part of all this business, and what makes me feel sure that this qualifies as an authentic divine curse, and not an artificial one, just created to mask conspiracies or other political interests as it is the case of the traditional so called "Kennedy family curse", is that this one affected every possible part implied in plots against JFK, in a domestic or international sphere.

The Soviet case is the classical example and the most critical case perhaps, since it happened before the decline of even the American Rivals of Kennedy.

Nikita Khrushchev was practically a national hero, in his country, he was the principal leader that arranged the deffense of Stalingrad in WWII.

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He became an iconic figure of the XX century when decided denounce the crimes of Stalin, in his so important and coragous secret speech to the congress of the Communist party of the USSR in 1956.

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Khrushchev went even farther, risking alot his own head, into release publically the political testament of Vladimir Lenin in which it was clearly stated that the USSR founder was against to have Stalin as his successor, he prevented that if so he was going to be a Tyrant.

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The position of Nikita Khrushchev, during his years in power, that were in total a decade, was also boosted by the creation of the Warsaw Pact, a formidable military alliance able challenge the power of NATO, and the great achievements of the Soviet Space program, that put the first artificats in terrestial and lunar orbits, as well as the first manned missions around our planet.

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He had a tremendous background, so nice that he was compared by many with Lenin, but everything became jeopardized thanks three great mistakes, the building of the Berlin wall, the sofocation of the democratic spring in Hungary, and moreover the crisis of the soviet missiles in Cuba.

The three were part of his strategy to weaken the sphere of influence of the USA in the world, but the last one was the worst and it became the reason of a personal confrontation in between him and Kennedy.

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This crisis is easy to describe in words, but the reality was that it became the most dangerous and stressful moment of all the cold war, and perhaps if Kennedy and Khrushev might not be the people in charge at that moment it would have driven by sure, under other type of leadership, to WWIII. ( think in what would have happen if that might e occured during the Truman-Stalin Era or the Putin-G.W.Bush ones?)

Few weeks before the Assassination of JFK, Khrushchev took a drastic change of attitude in his traditional strong confronting position with respect to the west, and expressed his interest in to accept an offering from JFK to Join forces to the Lunar American Space program. If that might have occurred the History of the astronautics would now entirely different and possibly we should be now exploring together Mars, and perhaps with citadels already built in our natural satelite, however, the death of Kennedy and the overthrown of Khrushchev the year after prevented it to happen.

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At the end, Khrushev ended in 1964 as the very first Soviet leader that was forced to resignate, by a coup orchested by his most reliable associates: L . Brezhnev, A. Kosygin, N. Podgorny.

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It was Khrushchev involved in a possible Soviet - Cuban Plot against JFK? well, at least we can see that he had very strong reasons to dislike him and blame him of have damaged for ever his brilliant political career, but at the same time seems that he learnt how to respect him and even to try to bargain, after all the existence of the Communist revolution of Cuba was granted through his agreement to remove the soviet nuclear missiles in exchange for the American compromise to never try to invade again the island.

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Only many years after his death, Nikita Khrushchev was finally rehabiliated by Mikhail Gorbachev, as the trully pioneer of the democratization process in the Soviet Union, his ideas were again reviewed and considered valid in the light of the Glasnost spirit.

The Perestroika leader of the USSR Lauded the courage of Nikita Khrushchev to tell the truth to Soviet people about the despotic charater of Stalin.

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What Gorbachev never imagined, when he released this public statement about his predecessor, is that he himself was going to follow his steps becoming the last Leader of the disappeared Soviet Union, a superpower that existed just for 7 decades in History. He became fell in love of the idea that a vigorous Democracy could be implemented in a Communist system, but that proved to be utopic.

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What it is not an utopia, is that countries that have been able to balance correctly the sinergy in between a strong public sector coexisting harmoniously with a growing market, moved by the momentum of the private initiative, are the only ones that are offering real stability and good level of life their citizens, Norway, Canada, Denmark, Switzerland and Sweden are good examples of that. That was the recipe that JFK proposed to America, and that unfortunately was aborted after his dramatic death.

Was that also part of the Kennedy Curse? What do you think?.

Thanks for your reply,

Sincerely,

The Angel of Lightness

reply to post by The angel of light


It would IMO be naive to think that Krushchev didn't catch wind
of an impending Coupe D' etat in the U.S. But Krushchev was sharp
enough to see it coming well before that. To many enemies in
high places for Kennedy.

I also do not see how the Kennedy's could realistically look to
the future and see a Kennedy dynasty in the white house for
decades to come. If they did ? Then they must have been very
naive. As we now see Camelot was very brief.

Just thank God they were cursed. America would not of survived their dynasty.

reply to post by starfoxxx


Any reasons why you feel that way. I think it's something we will only ponder
because obviously history had different plans.

randyvs
reply to post by starfoxxx

 

Any reasons why you feel that way. I think it's something we will only ponder
because obviously history had different plans.

You don't get "cursed" like that for no reason. Leave it at that
We are still dealing with Kennedy's www.washingtonpost.com...
Be more suited for benghazi

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I am under the impression that possibly there is some kind of misinterepretation of the sense of this thread, however, i am not completly sure.

Just in case, let me point, to be clear, that the claim here is that the assassination of JFK on November 22nd 1963 from what I have researched changed drastically the course of the country and the world, and determined that the advance of the XX century had a different outcome than the one it might have had, and not precisely for good.

if JFK wouldnt be eliminated from the power, how would have been the future:

America never should have been involved in so horrendus fiasco as it was Vietnam war, he was able to foresee that it was a trap carefully prepared by the communism. For the ones are doubtful on that pls check this:

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As I pointed, in one of my previous posts, there is evidence that the USA and the USSR could have worked together in the advance of the space technology toward standards that we have not yet reached 40 years after the arrival to the moon. it is highly probable that with him alive for many more years the goal to colonize the moon might be now already reached and we could be replicating it in Mars.

His great idea was precisely that, to turn the nuclear race in to a space exploration one, to transform the cold war in to a competition for open new horizons for humanity, he understood that what creates insatisfaction and confromtation is lack of opportunities, lack of perspective for future.

Why I support such a claim? well, because the either Americans or Russians, they spent too much money trying to replicate the same achievements, in parallel, and that is more expensive strategy than to perform them together. One international space program is clearly more viable than two or more separate space programs. Also they spent too much resources in a cold war that was absurd and we all know no body can win. The current international space station is the best proof that the ideals of Kennedy to find opportunities of mutual colaboration in the conquer of the space were not only correct, but reachable.

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JFK never would have accepted to push the country in to the giant public deficit that has sunk the value of dollar and is now our principal handicap to overcome recessions. His policies with respect to the taxes over the wealth had prevented that. Kennedy understood perfectly the so important role of the goverment in to balance the weights in the economy, into control inflaction, speculation and also to provide stimuli with public works in times of recession to the private sectors. He learnt from the time of FDR that the irresponsible conservative schemes only can end in unhealthy public finances like the ones we have now, with recessions in which the state is unable to interfere because it is in bankrupcy sofocated by an unpayable external debt. in other words, the drama that every year we see that public finances can only work through the means of acquisition of more debt with private lenders, bankers.

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Latin America might not be now a continent saturated of scandals of political corruption, fighting against the empire of maffias, or neocommunist revolutions, but another Europe already developed due to the Alliance for Progress initiative. They would be a natural market for American products generating millions of jobs here, in contrast with the ones globalization has moved to China.

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I liked one thing of your reply, the claim that dinasties are sometimes dangerous for countries, but that happen when there is no intention or will of public service, when they obey to secret oaths or societies, to get personal or sectarian benefit from politics, destinated to inner circles of power, but that was precisely what JFK denounced and was against to.

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One nice example of that is perhaps all the damage that we have affronted caused by the Bush Clan, that three times pushed the country to useless costly wars overseas, just only to generate terrible recessions in house. They are not, nevertheless, already satisfied with all the troubles they have brought, since there is another Bush now planning his campaign for the 2016 election.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness