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reply to post by Shadow Herder
"God" doesnt allow none of that. It is the choices of man the brings him to it. I think it is your idea of what god is that is ridiculous.
AfterInfinity
Without God, there is no Satan.
WhoKnows100
AfterInfinity
reply to post by Dianec
I think the real demons are standing in our shoes, sitting in our seats, drinking coffee from our mugs. No greater monster has ever existed, than the human race. And that's the reality we're trying to avoid while looking everywhere but the mirror.edit on 29-11-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
14 Every man is a beast by his own knowledge: every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his melting is but falsehood, and there is no breath therein.
Jeremiah 10:14 The more that man thinketh to do anything well by his own wisdom, and not as God instructeth him, the more doth he prove himself to be a vile beast.
Shadow Herder
"God" doesnt allow none of that. It is the choices of man the brings him to it. I think it is your idea of what god is that is ridiculous.
noonebutme
Shadow Herder
"God" doesnt allow none of that. It is the choices of man the brings him to it. I think it is your idea of what god is that is ridiculous.
Well, quite clearly, your God does, as it happens almost on a daily basis. The fact that your God chooses to do nothing about it shows he either doesn't care, or never existed in the first place to stop it - of which I suspect the latter.
snoopy11
The Church's view on Demons 'has changed', the view of all major religons is that these people in the respective religous texts who saw or heard Demon's were in fact mentally ill. If you are seeing or hearing Demons good chance you are mentally ill too.
My view of God is that he is fundamentally 'good' and why he made a physical universe that would necessarily be full of imperfections and therefore evil is still a complete Mystery to me and 'The Brothers Karamazov'.
But in the end there must be some important 'reason' for God to do this. I feel safe in the knowledge that it must all be part of Gods plan therefore in some way God must be right and justified in his creation. I don't buy into the whole original sin thing as the downfall of Humanity. God made the Universe and it evolves to his calculations he knows what happens next and why he created such a world/universe. I cannot claim to know the mind of God. I can only claim to love God.
UnderGetty
1. I think it's a terrible mistake for the "church" to take this position on demons. In fact it goes against the very scriptures they claim to uphold. Not only that, by taking this position, the "church" is derelict in the duties they were assigned by Jesus. It's exactly this type of religious doctrine made up by humans that undermines the salvation message of Jesus.
**snip**
2. According to scripture, humanity is on the front lines of a major spiritual war. What do people think the armour of god is for? A fashion statement?? Without demons, what exactly is the sword of the spirit supposed to be used for? Decoration?? No, Christians are supposed to wade into the conflict and go to work on the enemy. Instead, the church sits around like a bunch of impotent kittens, polishing their helmets, denying the enemy exists, and lamenting that God never brings a revival to their home town.
Meanwhile the black flame burns all around them. They are awake, fit, trained and prepared. They will massacre the church. The scriptures themselves even says so.
3. My apologies for the rant. It's not directed at you snoopy, but my fellow religious pagan Christian Pharisees. This ridiculous situation really winds me up :-(
UnderGetty
So why intervene with the construction unless what they were attempting was indeed possible? It's possible that they intended to open a portal into the dimension in which heaven exists, not build a
"ladder" like we are taught to believe. Their plan was to physically enter heaven and attack God. If that isn't possible then the whole account is a waste of paper and time.
arpgme
reply to post by Shadow Herder
"For the LORD is a God of justice; How blessed are all those who long for Him." - Isaiah 51:4-5
This is why the bible also say "vengeance is the lord's" and to never get revenge (Romans 12:19)
Comparing it to a justice system,
God = Judge
Angels = Jury
Good Spirits = Civilians of the kingdom
Satan = The Accuser (the one who wants the judge to convict you)
Jesus Christ = Lawyer
Demons = Criminals