U.S. Sends Two B-52 Bombers Into Air Zone Claimed by China

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Care to explain how a nation that is a leader in bio technology and is well respected for its cyber warfare capabilities isn't a threat?

What makes you think that a country whose students lead us by a wide margin in Math and Science wouldn't understand modern technology?

Thorneblood
reply to post by OccamsRazor04

 

Care to explain how a nation that is a leader in bio technology and is well respected for its cyber warfare capabilities isn't a threat?

What makes you think that a country whose students lead us by a wide margin in Math and Science wouldn't understand modern technology?

If they are that advanced then why do they need to steal US tech and why are they only now putting into production weapons that the US has had for over 30 years?

They have no force projection. They have no military capabilities that can threaten the US.

Would you care to explain exactly what you think they can do?

reply to post by OccamsRazor04


Crash the power, military radar and communication systems, use a fleet of drones to seed a bio chemical weapon on major cities and military installations and then bomb at leisure while maintaining its own borders via fifth gen fighters and mobile weapons platforms...

Thorneblood
reply to post by OccamsRazor04

 

Crash the power, military radar and communication systems, use a fleet of drones to seed a bio chemical weapon on major cities and military installations and then bomb at leisure while maintaining its own borders via fifth gen fighters and mobile weapons platforms...

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... You are clearly so far lost in delusions it's impossible to reach you.

They can't crash the power on our nuclear powered carriers. They have no drones that can reach America. Any biological attack would result in us launching nuclear missiles. They have ZERO 5th gen fighters or mobile weapons platforms. The 5th gen fighter that is almost ready has no engine, and appears to be so substandard they are looking to sell it rather than use it. Doubt they get any buyers.

You must be Chinese or simply hate America so bad you simply believe things you want to believe.

Short of nuclear missiles China has ZERO ability to attack America. America has a range of options that China has no counter for.

ken10
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What, and you think Japan and the US would put lives at risk playing chicken ?

I'd think they'd test the resolve of the Chinese with an unmanned plane first, don't ya think.

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At the moment all this is, is a pissing match between them.

iBallinU

ken10
reply to post by Zaphod58

 

What, and you think Japan and the US would put lives at risk playing chicken ?

I'd think they'd test the resolve of the Chinese with an unmanned plane first, don't ya think.

edit on 27-11-2013 by ken10 because: (no reason given)

At the moment all this is, is a pissing match between them.

I would characterize it as China trying to bully their neighbors and the US saying think again. In no way would I consider this a pissing match.

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This has all the trappings of the Cold War, only with a new adversary. I honestly don't think we can afford it this go-round and are likely to come out on the losing end like Mother Russia.

Why does it always have to be about "us"? Let's look at it from the Chinese point of view. They can't afford to not have a major war! They already can't support a large number of their citizens. Add to that, the Chinese workers who are, or will be, losing their jobs with the advancement of mechanized labor. It's a win-win for them. They could lose a billion people, pick up some crappy islands, and get an apology from Japan.

It's all been planned. I'd be surprised if the conflict ever left the region. Say goodbye to north Korea in the commotion.

reply to post by OccamsRazor04


Crashing a nuclear carriers systems is not impossible.
NAVY

Exploiting and remotely shutting down a Navy ship's software "gives you a nonlethal warfare capacity at sea," Peter Singer, a Brookings Institution national security analyst, said in an interview after speaking at the Defense One Summit. Commanders could give an order like, “Don't let this enemy fleet seize these island chains, but also don't let it turn into a shooting war.” Ships would find their targeting software exploited and shut down, possibly even hijacked. "The ships are floating SCADA systems," Hagerott said, making reference to the same highly vulnerable Supervisory Control And Data Acquisition networks that run utilities in America. "If you could jump the air gap" on America's Navy, largely the backbone of the U.S. military's projection of power abroad, "that would disrupt the world balance of power," Hagerott said, adding that Navy might even have to go back to instrumentation used in the early 1900s as a response to the exploit.

There drones are getting much better...
Drones

The jet powered drone was identified as the Lijian, or "Sharp Sword," photos of which have been circulating for some time. The aircraft is similar to the X-47B drone being tested by the U.S. Navy for aircraft carrier operations, as well as France's experimental Neuron project. Others have reported the drone is a reverse-engineered copy of Russia's Mikoyan Skat unmanned aerial vehicle. Potential uses for such an aircraft range from conducting electronic surveillance and to launching missile strikes. Some analysts have suggested the drone might someday be launched from China's sole aircraft carrier, possibly to fly missions around China's East China Sea and South China Sea island claims. The capabilities of the drone and two manned stealth fighters, the J-20 and J-31, that China is developing aren't known, although China's arms industry is producing increasingly sophisticated weapons systems. Those include a large range of military drones.

So are their jets...
Jets

Experts say it’s hard to say exactly what the J-20’s capabilities are, especially in a fire fight -- but offered a dire prediction: “With China having a fifth generation fighter, the U.S. will lose F-22s faster than previous estimates.” As for the J-20 pilots, Fisher said the Chinese Air Force has over 500 fourth generation fighters and is making pilot training a priority. . “China's air training capabilities have increased greatly over the last decade, to include multiple levels of aircraft, better simulators, and more realistic air combat exercises. They will be able to train pilots for their fifth generation combat force,” Fisher said. Buckley says the U.S. has moved in the opposite direction, dramatically reducing flight-time training for its fighter pilots, choosing instead to use cheaper flight stimulators. Limiting F-22 production could prove a grave mistake, Fisher said. Referring to the J-20 photos -- and a new video of the fighter taxiing on a runway -- Fisher said: “There is now every justification for us to be building modernized version of F-22 and to consider capability enhancements for the F-35 that preserve its competitiveness into next decade." The next generation joint strike fighter is supposed to be the F-35, Buckley said, which is built for use by all services and must encompass the specific and different needs of the Navy, Air Force, Marines. “When you try to make a jack of all trades, you have tradeoffs,” Buckley said. “It’s obvious that the Chinese are throwing money and technology to making something the best, and here we’re worried that one is going to bankrupt the country.” “We used be No. 1 at having the leading technology. ... Now, we’re kind of in catch-up mode, where we’ve never really been before.”

As i have said from the start, the key to all this is their Cyber Warfare capabilities
Cyber War

Despite denials from Beijing, there seems little doubt that China’s computer hackers are engaged in an aggressive and increasingly threatening campaign of cyberespionage directed at a range of government and private systems in the United States, including the power grid and telecommunications networks.
The Obama administration had carefully avoided naming a specific culprit. Now it has. In the Pentagon’s annual report to Congress on China, the Chinese government and, in particular, the Chinese military are explicitly accused of mounting attacks on United States government computer systems and defense contractors in a systematic effort to steal intellectual property and gain strategic advantage.

Chinese Bio Weapons - This deals with their bio weapons research.

Am i still delusional?

Thorneblood
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Crashing a nuclear carriers systems is not impossible.

As I said, extremely delusional. How many times has it been done? Zero? Thought so.

There drones are getting much better...

Much better than what? Show me one drone China has than can target American soil. Can't? Thought so.

So are their jets...

No. They have no engines for them. China still can't produce an engine. Russia sucks at it too. Your own source said no one knows what the capabilities are. Apparently they are very poor.

As i have said from the start, the key to all this is their Cyber Warfare capabilities

And I said that is all they have and the US should not let them get away with it and if they continue to do so the US should blockade all trade in and out of China until China puts an end to it. One month of no trade will destroy China, China has ZERO force projection capabilities and could not stop it.

Am i still delusional?

Yes. China can't use drones to drop bio agents on America. If China used bio warfare their country would be turned to glass. Short of nuclear attacks China has ZERO weapons to target America. America can destroy China through blocking trade. You are beyond delusional.

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This deals with their bio weapons research.

Am i still delusional?

Consider all the possible reasons for China to want this information. Their country does already seem to be a hotbed for bio-hazards.

tamusan
Let's look at it from the Chinese point of view. They can't afford to not have a major war!

You have a very sharp mind. It takes two to Tango and both parties usually have to be willing to dance. What song do you think the Chinese are waiting for?

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www.spacewar.com...

China faces threat of more 'terror' attacks: Beijing
China faces a serious terror threat, the foreign ministry said Monday after a fiery attack in Tiananmen Square and domestic media reports of nearly 200 "terrorist" incidents in Xinjiang last year

China has a few serious domestic problems of their own and the PRC does not seem to be able to provide a speedy remedy. What better way to take the magnifying glass off themselves than to stir up nationalism with the threat of foreign devils over the hill trying to take their land... Has been used countless times all over the world. Does not matter if it is true scream it loud enough from the authority pulpit and the faithful will believe.
www.spacedaily.com...

China's first aircraft carrier left Tuesday on a training mission to the South China Sea, escorted by missile destroyers and frigates, state media said.

The newly-commissioned Liaoning left its home port of Qingdao accompanied by two missile destroyers, the Shenyang and Shijiazhuang, and two missile frigates, the Yantai and Weifang, the official Xinhua news agency said

reply to post by Snarl


To quote Iron Maiden: "To the tune of starving millions." I am not an advocate of population control, but it would help ease the economic burdens of both governments. War for the love of country has proven to be a universally accepted for of population control.

Thank you for the compliment, but I must defer the credit to the entire ATS community. I've developed all of my current opinions in the course of researching the validity of topics found on the site.

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China has a few serious domestic problems of their own and the PRC does not seem to be able to provide a speedy remedy.

You bring up a good point. In the confusion, the world may overlook the extermination of a few non-conforming cultral groups.

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www.chinesedefence.com...

Joaquin Quintas, an official with the Cuban Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias (FAR) announced this week that China and Cuba will be strengthening their bilateral defence cooperation

hahahah two can play this game!

Aerial combat crafts that are expected to reach China by 2015 are cruise missiles, ballistic missiles that are of the ground launch category and medium bombers that can carry cruise missiles. Further, aerial refueling systems form an important part of the acquisition inventory. Equipped with all these assets, China will be able to take up attacks as far away as the Pacific Ocean that borders Japan. According to experts, the success of such enormous plans will largely depend on the efficiency of training and skill of air force personnel. Keeping in mind that the last major role that the PLAAF played was in 1958 as part of the Jimmen campaign, training for air force personnel is largely lacking.

Another major aspect in which China places major emphasis is the space technology. China’s intention regarding space technology is clear, based on the massive development

taking place in the arena. As of now, China has manifested itself into the world’s most advanced aerospace and aeronautical research centers. Efforts are on to build a fleet of space soldiers as well. Developing crafts that will be able to handle tough weathers and can fly in the dark are other areas of focus of the Chinese air force.

www.chinesedefence.com...

OccamsRazor04

iBallinU

ken10
reply to post by Zaphod58

 

What, and you think Japan and the US would put lives at risk playing chicken ?

I'd think they'd test the resolve of the Chinese with an unmanned plane first, don't ya think.

edit on 27-11-2013 by ken10 because: (no reason given)

At the moment all this is, is a pissing match between them.

I would characterize it as China trying to bully their neighbors and the US saying think again. In no way would I consider this a pissing match.

This very much is a pissing match at the moment.
The Chinese have declared a large swathe of air space as theirs for air defence purposes, so the US response was to send two B52 bombers through that air space.
Japan and South Korea have also sent military aircraft, and their airlines will not be declaring them selves to the Chinese before entering that air space.
In response China has stated it has now deployed combat aircraft to that specific air space, and has put it's air force on alert.