Pope Francis rips capitalism and trickle-down economics to shreds in new policy statement

bjax9er
What countries economy is capitalistic?

What country uses a trickle down theory?

Name one!

It sure as hell isn't America, not anymore.

Though when it was, it brought more people the world over, out of poverty than any other form of economics.

No amount of top down iron fisted economic planning will do what America accomplished in its first 200 years.

I wouldn't even be typing on this iPhone if it weren't for capitalism.

Capitalism is BOSS!

edit on 26-11-2013 by bjax9er because: Edit

boy, your pride of that slave labor made I-phone explains all anyone needs to know.

Brought millions of poor "out of poverty".. lmfao... STILL

all it did was provide the ELites with a way to bring SOME poor people a half rung up the ladder.. AND in the process, insulated the ELites from ANYONE ever jeopardizing their wealth.

Willtell
It is great that the Pope teaches these so called “ Christians" what they suppose to believe in and pracice.

I posted a thread with numerous( underneath) versus in the bible saying God abhors the greedy and those that don’t care for the poor and downtrodden.
The thread was buried. I CANT EVEN FIND IT!

People don’t like to hear the truth

THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

bingo.. one can NOT be a Christian and live a "rich" life.. Can NOT have a house that is above the medium price, can NOT drive an expensive car, can NOT eat at expensive restaurants, can NOT have tens/hundreds of thousands of money in investments, etc..

all of the financially well-off Christians are the WORLDS BIGGEST HYPOCRITES!

that money is to be spent helping those less fortunate.

Drive past a church parking lot, you will SEE the hypocrites!

a real Christian would drive an older car, live in a MODEST house, spend all retirement money on OTHERS in NEED..

AND here is the PROOF that EVERY CHRISTIAN with a 401k --- is a plaster saint!

God says HE will provide for you, then why need a 401k?

HanzHenry

boy, your pride of that slave labor made I-phone explains all anyone needs to know.

Brought millions of poor "out of poverty".. lmfao... STILL

all it did was provide the ELites with a way to bring SOME poor people a half rung up the ladder.. AND in the process, insulated the ELites from ANYONE ever jeopardizing their wealth.

Prove it..

Can you back any of that up with some facts.?

Sounds like smoke blowing in the wind to me..

starfoxxx

HanzHenry

boy, your pride of that slave labor made I-phone explains all anyone needs to know.

Brought millions of poor "out of poverty".. lmfao... STILL

all it did was provide the ELites with a way to bring SOME poor people a half rung up the ladder.. AND in the process, insulated the ELites from ANYONE ever jeopardizing their wealth.

Prove it..

Can you back any of that up with some facts.?

Sounds like smoke blowing in the wind to me..

prove what? I-phone slave labor? that is easy to find on your own.

the Proof of the latter... the same ELite families are STILL at the top!

They're already controlling so much. Look around you! We're controlling. Controlling our economy is not out of character. We control more and more as we mature.

The universe around us (and inside us) is like code and we're trying to program it. And we're doubtless not the only ones. We're always evolving. The universe is always evolving. I wonder how the universe would look afar? I suspect life did not emerge but always existed because life is a fundamental physics embedded in the beating heart of our universe and circulated throughout.

The truth is that everything that this pope has stated in absolutely correct as far as capitalism is concerned, it is like the argument about absolute freedom, it can not exist as one mans freedom is anothers incarceration so it is with capitalism it needs international checks and bounds to limit it and corporations should be both policed and limited in size with conglomerates and equity groups likewise limited in size ( a very large size is acceptable but not globaly stargnling the markets as they currently do and not allowed to form monopolies even by sharing with other corporations as they currently do as these are anti competative and prevent the capitalistic freedom of smaller bodies ).
The world is in a bad state and the culprits solely responsible for the collapse of western economys long before the banks blew it was the corporations whom outsources to the far east and china giving that undemocratic nation our years of scientific and technological expertise whilest impoverishing our own nations, but hey not for those whom work on wall street or the city of london and whom don't give a damn as they are dealing in shares not real workable money in the economy, when a nations fiscal wealth is calculated these guys account for more of it than is actually true.
The real wealth of a country can be guaged by the standard of living and that is dependant on how much money is circulating in the economy in the form of wage and consumer purchase, however when the vast trackts of money that pass through the stock market institutions based on futures and speculative trading is added it makes a government look good even when they are not.
Capitalism needs these laws and remember the poor spend what they recieve in pay so the more they earn the more they spend and that drives the real economy unlike the falling wages that prove our economys are shot through and need serious attention and not the stock as share kind but real government investment into job creation.

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The problem isn't capitalism - It's that there are too many irresponsible, greedy, immoral, and frankly our population itself is too big.

Capitalism can oppress people, communism can oppress people, and everything in between.

What's interesting is if those flaws did not exist, there would be no need for any redistribution. We wouldn't need a central government power because every individual would be responsible for himself and for others.

So I don't understand why you're so giggity goo over slamming capitalism. Life isn't fair, it can't be made fair, especially by men governing other men.

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Capitalism can oppress people, communism can oppress people, and everything in between.

Yet we don't really talk about how capitalism oppresses people now do we? It's a taboo subject, meanwhile we demonize Communism and Socialism for the same things.

I'm not all giddy about it, more stressing the concern that Western Conservatives aren't going to see this Pope as being very helpful to their backward causes .

~Tenth

tothetenthpower
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Capitalism can oppress people, communism can oppress people, and everything in between.

Yet we don't really talk about how capitalism oppresses people now do we? It's a taboo subject, meanwhile we demonize Communism and Socialism for the same things.

I'm not all giddy about it, more stressing the concern that Western Conservatives aren't going to see this Pope as being very helpful to their backward causes

.

~Tenth

Shhh.. can't let people figure that out. THEN, the many poor will come for the ELites ill-gotten gains.

Capitalism is EXACTLY what the world was under for a very long time. SLavery was Capitalism at it's purest form.

Poker game.. picture that. where the richest guy just goes ALL IN, and since none can call his bet, they fold. He WINS.. every time.

those with a few chips feel better than the MANY with none.. so OF COURSE they will cheer on the casino.

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I like this new Pope as well. He is saying things that are actually relevant. Who could imagine a Pope saying stuff like this even 10 years ago?

I hope he starts selling off Vatican riches to help the poor. I have been to the Vatican and the amount of wealth there is STAGGERING.

S & F

deadcalm
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I like this new Pope as well. He is saying things that are actually relevant. Who could imagine a Pope saying stuff like this even 10 years ago?

I hope he starts selling off Vatican riches to help the poor. I have been to the Vatican and the amount of wealth there is STAGGERING.

S & F

that wealth won't help for more than a week.

The issue is the way the economy works. Those rich few have their hands in EVERYONE's pockets every time we buy something. No matter what you buy, the price is marked up above and beyond the cost so that the RICH can profit.

still simple math.. if broke, and borrow 100,000 dollars. there is no way to pay back more than there is. Interest is the KEY.. interest is the RICH profits off of EVERYTHING..

as with monolpoly, the game MUST reset, all turn in all winnings.. How outlandish would it be to have an NFL season where the points from the previous games are included in the score?
And when the same few are ahead, they always will be,

Or imagine a race, where one team has a twin turbo Ferrari, and the other teams have VW minibuses. No matter what, the rich Ferrari team is ALWAYS gonna win.

theantediluvian
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Oh boy, I can see the threads now:

The New Pope is a Communist!

I appreciate your sarcasm.

Jesus was a communist, it can be argued that he was the first to ever preach the ways of communism. Tell that to a so called Christian in the USA and they get very angry.

I like Pope Francis. It appears to me that he is committed to using his title to truly do good in this evil world.

benrl
I like what he says, but Ill watch what he does.

The Vatican has some massive resources they are sitting on, lets seem them sell their land holdings and riches, and give it to the poor.

You know, like what Christ said.

That was my very first thought. The Vatican needs to release all of it's holdings, feed the poor and build up the world first before they start telling others to do it. Secondly, they need to release all their secret archives, and if they won't then they are just lying per usual.

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The irony is the Catholic Church is the largest trickle down organization in the world.

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I hadn't thought of that, but you're right aren't you?

Hmm.

Thanks for the very interesting thought.

~Tenth

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The Pope is a fraud. The Vatican Bank and the Bank of England owns the Federal Reserve. Until the Pope tells his Vatican bank goons to return the money he looted from America through taxes, I will take him seriously.

Until then, the socialist crap he and the government preaches is just a scam to tax more so the central banks can confiscate wealth for themselves.

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Unfortunately a misguided attack on free markets and capitalism, which inherently have nothing to do with the actual problems. In fact free markets and capitalism are the only things that can, and should be salvaged from this modern economic disaster.

The fundamental problems are;

- Fraudulent International banking system - fractional reserve, debt which cannot be extinguished.

- Flawed monetary system, based on debt instead of capital and subject to counterfeit and monopoly.

- Flawed legal system which ignores natural law, and denies access to recourse.

- Flawed political systems which deny the people access to political power.

- Flawed cultural base, from ancient religions which did not understand law, economics or politics.

- Taxation of productive capacity, instead of lawful redistribution of rent (which is unearned).

- Political, financial, economic and ethical ignorance and apathy of the people.


While I may agree with his general contempt for the current situation and those who benefit and exploit the system - the Vatican has vast amounts of wealth and should be setting an example instead of hurling rocks from inside a glass house.

When the Vatican of all institutions criticizes your cut-throat version of capitalism, you know you're doing it wrong!

tothetenthpower
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Capitalism can oppress people, communism can oppress people, and everything in between.

Yet we don't really talk about how capitalism oppresses people now do we? It's a taboo subject, meanwhile we demonize Communism and Socialism for the same things.

I'm not all giddy about it, more stressing the concern that Western Conservatives aren't going to see this Pope as being very helpful to their backward causes

.

~Tenth

True, i came to believe the problem doesnt lie in the economic system itself, but in our nature, and maybe some cultural beliefs and ideas which are now thought to be the ultimate truth. Take evolutionism for example, survival of the fittest whilst the weak must die.

Back On topic, I know most are hoping for radical actions to be taken regarding the vatican wealth. But i dont think the Pope is stupid and he knows that kind of thing would get him killed, hes already been target by the Italian maffia.
Selling Vatican riches would put a price tag on his neck.

Xcathdra
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I really don't think the Pope should be throwing rocks while he is living inside a glass house.

Vatican banking scandal...
Vatican's refusal on child molestation over the years...

to name just a few scandals...

For a religious person I would have thought he would know the old adage don't judge unless ye be judged yourself.

true, but it appears he's giving his observation of the current situation. Call a spade a spade I guess.