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starfoxxx
hoo ha ha Let me take yo picta!!!
Look who's still TOP DOG!! The USA that is right. China dare take a jab at one of our bombers their done.
Over, the peking duck is goosed.
crazyewok
any land occupation of china would be doomed.
Snarl
crazyewok
any land occupation of china would be doomed.
Only because an occupying force would be unacclimated to the pollution conditions.
I'm pretty sure the US could successfully invade and occupy China. Why would they want to do that? You'd have half-a-billion people to babysit (unless the Japanese wanted the job).
iLemming
There's a lot of herping of the derp in this thread of ignorance. Let me spoon feed this to the pleb masses in easily digestible point form:
• The Japanese lay claim to those rock, but it was the West who bestowed it upon them after WWII via the San Francisco Peace Treaty. China's claim goes back hundreds of years before that. Who has the 'right' to claim the region now is the $64K question.
• The resources said to lay beneath the rocks serve to provide extra incentive for the resource rapacious China to press hard for this zone to be under their auspice and their's alone. Japan, too - a nation with limited natural resources - wouldn't mind some oil and gas to go with their 1200-Becquerel sashimi.
China's escalation and re-escalation described in detail yesterday, has just been met with a corresponding re-re-escalation by Japan.
China's Ministry of Defense reports that the nation identified Japanese military planes that entered into Chinese air defense identification zone today.
7 batches of 10 Japanese planes consisting of E-767, P-3 and F-15 entered into the zone
China has also identified 2 batches of 2 U.S. surveillance planes consisting of P-3 and EP-3, without specifying whether the planes entered into the zone
China scrambled Su-30, J-11 and other aircraft in response.
Zaphod58
reply to post by ken10
It has nothing to do with changing course. You are trying to ignore the Senkaku Islands, and you can't. The Japanese ADIZ is based on the Senkaku Islands. That's like saying the US can't set up an ADIZ over Hawaii, even though it belongs to the US.
You're trying to argue that because the US and Russia share an EEZ near Alaska, then Russia can set up an ADIZ over the US, and vice versa. It doesn't work that way. You can apologize for China all you want, but it's against international law to set up an ADIZ over territory that doesn't belong to you. That's exactly what China did.
The 12 mile limit isn't just around Japan, it's around any territory that Japan owns, which means that it's around the Senkaku Islands as well. Japan is not in the wrong, no matter how badly you want to lambaste them and make them out to be bad guys here.edit on 11/28/2013 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)edit on 11/28/2013 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)
China says that the Diaoyu islands have been part of its territory since ancient times, serving as important fishing grounds administered by the province of Taiwan. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has said that this is "fully proven by history and is legally well-founded".
ken10
You spout utter rubbish
China says that the Diaoyu islands have been part of its territory since ancient times, serving as important fishing grounds administered by the province of Taiwan. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has said that this is "fully proven by history and is legally well-founded".
Q2: What are the grounds for Japan's territorial sovereignty over the Senkaku Islands?
A2:
The Senkaku Islands were not included in the territory which Japan renounced under Article 2 of the San Francisco Peace Treaty of 1951 that legally defined the territory of Japan after World War II. Under Article 3 of the treaty, the islands were placed under the administration of the United States as part of the Nansei Shoto Islands. The Senkaku Islands are included in the areas whose administrative rights were reverted to Japan in accordance with the Agreement between Japan and the United States of America Concerning the Ryukyu Islands and the Daito Islands that entered into force in 1972.
The Senkaku Islands have historically and consistently been part of the Nansei Shoto Islands which have been part of the territory of Japan. From 1885, surveys of the Senkaku Islands had been thoroughly conducted by the Government of Japan through the agencies of Okinawa Prefecture and through other means. Through these surveys, it was confirmed that the Senkaku Islands had been not only uninhabited but also showed no trace of having been under the control of the Qing Dynasty of China. Based on this confirmation, the Government of Japan made a Cabinet Decision on January 14, 1895, to erect markers on the islands to formally incorporate the Senkaku Islands into the territory of Japan. These measures were carried out in accordance with the internationally accepted means of duly acquiring territorial sovereignty under international law (occupation of terra nullius). The Senkaku Islands are not part of Formosa (Taiwan) and the Pescadores Islands that were ceded to Japan from the Qing Dynasty in accordance with Article II of the Treaty of Shimonoseki, concluded in April 1895.
And now lets rewind a week, before China announced its ADIZ.... Why is it acceptable for Japan to declare its own ADIZ hundreds of miles into international airspace.?
khimbar
www.zerohedge.com...
China's escalation and re-escalation described in detail yesterday, has just been met with a corresponding re-re-escalation by Japan.
China's Ministry of Defense reports that the nation identified Japanese military planes that entered into Chinese air defense identification zone today.
7 batches of 10 Japanese planes consisting of E-767, P-3 and F-15 entered into the zone
China has also identified 2 batches of 2 U.S. surveillance planes consisting of P-3 and EP-3, without specifying whether the planes entered into the zone
China scrambled Su-30, J-11 and other aircraft in response.
Seems to be warming up a bit.
And I'm the one with the bias here. Funny how after 1895 when Japan annexed the islands, China didn't even try to reclaim those islands until after the 1968 minerals report.
I'm open to things, but according to you, anyone can place an ADIZ over anyone else's territory.
(3) Issue of Diaoyu Islands
Diaoyu Island and its affiliated islands (Japan calls them as Senkaku Islands) lie in the East China Sea, around 92 nautical miles Northeast of Chilung City, Taiwan Province of China, which are mainly composed of Diaoyu Island, Huangwei Yu, Chiwei Yu, Nanxiao Dao, Beixiao Dao Island and some reefs, covering an area of 6.3 square kilometers altogether. Of all the islands, Diaoyu Island is the biggest one with an area of about 4.3 square kilometers.
Diaoyu Island and its affiliated islands have long been the inherent territory of China. Like Taiwan, Diaoyu Islands are inalienable part of the territory of the People's Republic of China. China enjoys indisputable sovereignty over these islands and the natural resources in its affiliated sea areas. China's sovereignty over these islands is fully proven by history and is legally well-founded.
In view of the different positions on Diaoyu Islands from the Japanese side, the Chinese government, proceeding from the development of the Sino-Japanese relations and on condition of adhering to the Chinese consistent positions, reached an understanding with the Japanese government: (1) The issue of the Diaoyu Islands shall be shelved for future settlement, (2) neither sides should take unilateral actions and (3) The two sides should try to prevent this issue from becoming an disturbing factor in the overall bilateral relations.
In recent years, the Japanese right wings from time to time created incidents over the Diaoyu Islands. The Chinese side made solemn representations to the Japanese side through diplomatic channels. The Japanese government affirmed their basic position of neither participating nor supporting for the activities of the right wings. The action of the right wings is detrimental to the development of Sino-Japanese relations and runs counter to the stand of the Japanese government.
Zaphod58
reply to post by ken10
And yet even Asian legal scholars say that Japan has the stronger claim.
And don't even sit there trying to say that I don't even acknowledge the dispute. I've spent more time researching this than a lot of people have, and I have numerous posts on here talking about this dispute. The simple fact is Japan has the strongest claim, and you can't place an ADIZ over other countries territory. Yet China even placed one over an existing Korean one. But I suppose that's ok too, because China claimed a Korean reef under it, right?