The report on Sandy Hook has just been released by the state's attorney's office.

So she was getting $6,000 a month from the EX. Not sure what the cost for 1.5 million dollar home would be monthly to run. And Adam Lanza has no mention of Mental Health issues. If he had mental health issues it would have shown up in divorce papers as a major expense. She would have wanted money to cover it. Why is it not in there? The EX paid for college. And Adam Lanza was in Western Connecticut State University at 16. Taking several coarses.

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OK well here it is!

Judge orders Sandy Hook 911 tapes released

HARTFORD -- A New Britain Superior Court judge this afternoon rejected Danbury State's Attorney Stephen J. Sedensky III's request to keep secret the recordings of emergency 911 calls from Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Judge Eliot D. Prescott, in a 33-page decision, gave Sedensky until December 4 at 2 p.m. to release the recordings, which sources have said include two gun shots but no graphic sounds from victims during the December 14 shooting.

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Lanza frequently posted on a blog that focused on mass shootings, including the Columbine attack.

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If such a blog exists, it still proves nothing. We have no way of knowing whether Adam Lanza had anything to do with that blog.

As for Sandy Hook there are a great many VERY relevant questions that still nedd to be answered. Adam Lanza was a GHOST for half a decade leading up to the shootings....no school, no job, no friends. Even those nuts at Columbine had a few friends....and some record of where they had been for the last 5 years.....too many questions and few answers.

The completely sterile bedroom really creeped me out and puzzled me, too, at first. But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that I had the same kind of scenario. I had blackout curtains on my windows because I'd often fall into a bad sleep schedule and be up all night and asleep all day. The curtains didn't do a very good job of keeping out sunlight, which didn't bother me much, but I know some people can't sleep if there's even an ounce of light leaking in, so even though it's a crude and ugly solution, I can see the black garbage bags being effective. I also only had an old, outdated TV in my room because, due to the tiny size of it, I only used it for sleeping. Now I did have a lot of stuff on display, which his room really lacks, but then again I didn't have a multilevel house with multiple private rooms all to myself.

Based on the other pictures, it really looks like he lived in the basement (in the area with all of the Gundam Wing model kits on that shelf and the Xbox 360) and just slept in his room. I'll tell you, it was really ...I don't even know how to describe it....seeing my favorite game consoles with two of my favorite games (Paper Mario 64 and Goldeneye) displayed in this photos. I know Goldeneye is a shooter, but it's just so hard to think that someone who could enjoy a game as cute and innocent as Paper Mario 64 could do something like this.

What was really strange to me, though, is how that basement "gamer sanctuary" that I mentioned, with the old NES system and the 360 and the suspiciously-displayed "violent First-Person Shooters" like GTA CoD and Gears of War, seems to lack a TV. I mean, all of those fancy game consoles up on display and there seems to be no TV anywhere amongst them? Maybe I missed it, but I certainly didn't see one. Also that random giant stuffed Pikachu...I'm seeing all of the stuff I love in these chilling photos and it's corrupting them.

Edit: Another random, kind of weird thing that I noticed: In one of the bathroom photos there appears to be a box of disposable diapers? It was just him and his mom living in the house, right? Why would they have diapers?

When considering the report that has been presented and considering the report itself will point out those in "charge" of the investigation are at a loss for a motive, perhaps we should consider other things as well?

I think this video is an appropriate place to start, perhaps it will illuminate for some that everything the federal authorities do is not always quite as black and white as they would like you to think. When somebody seems like a perfect patsy, they usually are.

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He was taking coarses at a university. He also had the job at a computer store. I think one of the problems on his past is the cops erased it. They made a mistake early on in the investigation that threw his brother under the bus. They searched the body of some one with a head wound and found Ryans ID. They then released the name and raided the college he was at and found out he was alive and well. Then they found out about the brother who kind of disappeared from society by being home schooled and every thing being in the mothers name. Car in her name.Guns in her name. I am sure internet, cell phones and any thing else was probably in her name as well. Hard to track some one with nothing in there name. Foot work and questioning friends and family was the only way to find out information on him. And they forgot how to do that anymore. They rely on technology instead of gum shoe detective work. And erasing Facebook, Twitter and so on of suspects in cases kind of hides the trail of a individual from crowd sourcing the detective work and makes it easy for a Uncle cop to hide stuff to protect his sisters name and her family. Which could be the problem. Protect a victims name by hiding evidence to protect there image after death but at the same time hide the facts of a criminal suspect in a gruesome case. Double edged sword damned if you do damned if you don't.

So he shot himself in the back of the head apparently...... And angled upward to boot. Yeah, not suspicious at all.

TKDRL

So he shot himself in the back of the head apparently...... And angled upward to boot. Yeah, not suspicious at all.

edit on Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:36:26 -0600 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)

it is this man's opinion that little adam lanza was not acting alone and had another shooter with him

Just a question: Is this another case where frangible bullets were involved?

The shooter(s) in the Breivik case in Norway used frangible bullets. It would make it hard to determine if there were multiple shooters in certain circumstances.

Did everyone overlook that tucked neatly into the report there is the insinuation that Adam Lanza was a pedophile?

Items found within digital evidence seized from Lanza’s possessions include:

* Bookmarks pertaining to firearms, military, politics, mass murder, video games, music, books, Army Ranger, computers and programs, ammunition, candy, economic books
* Two videos showing suicide by gunshot
* Commercial movies depicting mass shootings
* The computer game titled “School Shooting” where the player controls a character who enters a school and shoots at students
* Images of the shooter holding a handgun to his head
* Images of the shooter holding a rifle to his head
* Five-second video (dramatization) depicting children being shot
* A spreadsheet listing mass murders by name and information about the incident
* Materials regarding the topic of pedophilia and advocating for rights for pedophiles (not child pornography)
* Large amount of materials relating to Columbine shootings and documents on mass murders

I find myself conflicted as to if it is being insinuated that Lanza is a pedeophile who ultimately took out his frustration and anger at the world on the objects of his desires OR, considering the DNA of victims found at the Lanza home if Lanza acted on his alleged interest by doing the worst thing one can do to an innocent child OR if Lanza was a victim of such behavior as a child and it messed him up so bad that he was trying to (in his mind) "save" the kids from being victims to such things by taking their lives.

I'd appreciate any thoughts folks might have about this because seeing that in the report raised so many questions I had not previously considered.

Ok, went through the whole thing again. Here are some of the things that jumped out at me. First Rosen, this is the only mention, and it is strange. Impossible to make sense of with that much redacted. It is strange in most places it is only names redacted, but in a few spots, whole sentences or phrases are redacted. Also no note of kids going in his house at all.




Next there is a lone shotgun shell found in his pocket. Strange, considering all the other ammo was all neatly in magazines, and why only one? Why did he bother bringing the shotgun at all only to leave it in the car? Seems strange one lone shell was found, like it was put there just to tie him to the gun found in the car.




This one I found really weird. What is it that she sustained that had to be hidden? Couldn't be talking about the gunshot wounds, would make no sense to black that out.




This individual claimed to have called 911, but no record of the call. I wonder how hard they looked into whoever it was. It seems to me that they had their minds made up from the getgo that it was a lone shooter, and just went through some halfassed motions to make it look like they looked into possible accomplices.




This says no cameras on site that record at all. Guess we will never see any photographic/video evidence.




This was strange to me, why would you feel the need to blank out a decoration hanging on a door window?




Next up, the shotgun was found at the car, then put in the trunk for safe keeping, and not by anyone that was in the building. So either an accomplice put the gun in the car before running off, or the lab that handled the gun were totally idiotic. No other way for DNA from a victim could have gotten on that gun.
Also the hoodies, no mention of whether any testing was done on them at all. Who brings two spare hoodies in their car anyways?




The school was his life. I found that particular thing really strange, as if he volunteered there or something. Not something you would say about someone that attended a school years ago.




This was the other blackout I thought was strange. Not only is the name blacked out, but the whole conversation. Wonder what that is about? This is before they find Lanza.





That is all I got for now.

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I find myself conflicted as to if it is being insinuated that Lanza is a pedeophile who ultimately took out his frustration and anger at the world on the objects of his desires OR, considering the DNA of victims found at the Lanza home if Lanza acted on his alleged interest by doing the worst thing one can do to an innocent child OR if Lanza was a victim of such behavior as a child and it messed him up so bad that he was trying to (in his mind) "save" the kids from being victims to such things by taking their lives.

I'd appreciate any thoughts folks might have about this because seeing that in the report raised so many questions I had not previously considered.

There is obviously some level of difference in who Adam Lanza really was and who the media and authorities want to portray him as, what level of difference is factual remains to be seen.

I did read over what you presented from the report, nice find but I think that any opinion on what exactly that means is highly speculative and at the end, nobody is going to have an answer that is anything more than a best guess. Lanza isn't still around to refute the evidence though so, I guess it will just stick in the minds of those who actually read the report.

There is a wealth of information in there that at first read, slips through the cracks, some of it is contradictory to eye witness testimony and other statements that have been made but much like I said earlier in this thread, this subject, this thread will not benefit from going off half cocked and tabling outlandish accusations that can't be substantiated. That is my opinion anyway and how I approach it personally.

According to the report,

media.nbcnewyork.com... (Page 18)

The ammunition used by the shooter in the Bushmaster rifle has been described as .223 caliber, 5.56 mm NATO and 5.56 X 45. All of these descriptions are for similar bullets (cartridges) that can be fired from the Bushmaster rifle. The ammunition that the shooter used in this case for the Bushmaster bore the stamp “S&B 60 5.56 X 45” on the base of the cartridges and will be referred to as a 5.56 mm round. The distinction between a .223 cal. and a 5.56 mm is not relevant to this report.

I'm way out of my depth on ballistics matters but I did see, in a discussion of ammunition for hunting game, a statement to the effect that the type of bullets thought to have killed the people in the school are highly frangible.

www.rathcoombe.net...

It isn't dependable, predictable terminal effect because most .224 bullets are highly frangible and in consequence are highly unpredictable.

.223 and .224 bullets are very similar and in some cases can be used completely interchangeably, I read.

I haven't seen a reference to ballistic analysis of the bullets in the police report yet, but I am looking . . . hopefully.

According to the police report (Page 31) Lanza was 6 feet tall and weighed only 112 pounds. According to the ideal average he was 48 pounds underweight.

www.disabled-world.com...

We all know that 48 pounds overweight is an issue, but surely 48 pounds underweight has got to be a much more serious issue.

It might be worth looking further into that.

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She was shot "at least twice" in the head with a .22 Savage Mark II rifle actually. According to the just released report at least.

It's on page 24

The police report says that Lanza was 48 pounds underweight, never took drugs and used to play Dance Dance Revolution (a dancing game), for 4 to 10 hours straight and never seemed "winded" unless really exhausted.

Call me a stupid security guard but does this add up? I don't think so.

I'm thinkin' X-T-C, but what do I know?

Here is a resume of most of the pertinent ballistic references in the report, excluding reference to the "suicide Glock". (All page numbers are .pdf page numbers, not those of the document itself.)

Page 25

Ballistic evidence located in classroom 8 is described in the Appendix at page A134, which includes a total of twenty-four rounds of 5.56 mm ammunition found, of which ten rounds were in one PMAG 30 magazine, thirteen rounds were in another such magazine and one live round was on the floor. There was a third empty PMAG 30 magazine seized. There were a total of eighty expended 5.56 mm casings seized from classroom 8.

Page 26

On the shooter’s person was a loaded semi-automatic Sig Sauer P226, 9 mm pistol and additional ammunition. Located near the shooter was a partially loaded Glock 20, 10 mm semi-automatic pistol that appeared to be jammed. . . .

The Bushmaster rifle was found with the safety in the “fire” position. There was one live 5.56 mm round in the chamber and one PMAG 30 magazine in the magazine well. The magazine contained fourteen live 5.56 mm rounds of ammunition. The rifle did not appear to have malfunctioned when observed by the WDMC van unit, but a CSP-ESU report described the weapon as appearing to have jammed. When tested later, the rifle functioned properly. . . .

There were forty-nine expended 5.56 mm casings seized and one 10 mm casing from classroom 10.

The following is worded very carefully. I have bolded phrases where further questions might be asked.:

Page 41

All of the 5.56 mm shell casings from SHES that were tested were found to have been fired from this rifle. All of the bullets and fragments, recovered from SHES and the OCME that were tested, with the exception of those mentioned immediately below, are consistent with having been fired from the Bushmaster rifle.53

There is an important note at the bottom of Page 41 of the .pdf file

53 “No positive identification could be made to any of the bullet evidence submissions noted … … in 5.56 mm caliber. The physical condition of the bullet jacket surfaces were severely damaged and corroded. They all lacked individual striated marks of sufficient agreement for the identification process. The test fires also exhibited a lack of individual striated marks on the bullet surface for comparison purposes. This condition can be caused by fouling in the barrel of the rifle and the ammunition itself. The Bushmaster rifle cannot be eliminated as having fired the 5.56 caliber bullet evidence examined,” quoting from the 6/19/13 Forensic Science Laboratory report.

There seems to be some inconsistancy in this report. We are told that casings from the school were found to have come from Lanza's Bushmaster rifle and we are told that ". . . all lacked individual striated marks of sufficient agreement for the identification process. "

As I read it, based on what is in the .pdf file, the report doesn't exclude the possibility of multiple shooters.

Just on the surface of it, there is a fishy odor about the ballistic evidence.

Edit: Apparently 80 casings were found. Somehow I thought only 49 casings were found.

In any case, rusty casings and frangible bullets are an obvious formula if you want to hide the number of shooters involved in something like this.

reply to post by ipsedixit


Just to point out, the snippets you posted say that there were 49 expended casings in Classroom 10, not in the whole school. They say there were another 80-something in Classroom 8. Also, as grim as it sounds, I really don't think it would be as hard as some people are making it out to be for someone with an assault rifle to mow down defenseless children trapped in a classroom. He didn't have to be a military sniper. It was close quarters with nowhere to go. All he had to do was point and pull the trigger.

The biggest mystery to me is why he stopped. It was armed to the teeth, so it seems strange that he would bring all of those weapons, as if prepared for a big fight, and then just shoot himself without a fight. If he really did shoot himself in the back of the head, that makes even less sense. I wonder if it's possible that a sharpshooter took him out and for some reason, they're covering that up.