Stunning Morning That Makes You Wonder & Something New (To Me)

reply to post by Metaphysique


I've posted many times that FR24 won't hit on every flight, long before anyone else said anything. It's simply a tool to help out.

reply to post by Metaphysique


So you're saying that they were spraying us as early as 1915 then, because that's when the first persistent contrail was reported.

reply to post by Zaphod58

So you're saying that they were spraying us as early as 1915 then, because that's when the first persistent contrail was reported.

It has to be because according to his source jet engines cannot produce contrails only the wings and the flaps cause them.

Real condensation trails form, not behind commonly-used engines, but behind high-vacuum areas of wings. This occurs when a jet is pitching up or when the jet is using heavy flaps. Both of these conditions greatly increase the vacuum (lift) produced by the wing and therefore increase the probability of contrail formation.

Contrails will normally appear on the outside edge of the wing or just outside the flaps when in a heavy-flap condition. Both of these conditions require high relative humidity.

Contrails can also appear above the top surface of a wing while a jet is pitching up (such as just before touchdown) because of the high-vacuum created while changing pitch.

Most of the wing-contrails explained above dissipate as soon as the vacuum zone ends. This explains why contrails typically last only 5 or 10 feet behind a wing (less than a second). As the vacuum zone ends, the air very rapidly reabsorbs the water vapor causing the contrail to disappear, except under the most humid conditions when the ambient air is unable to reabsorb the water.

globalskywatch.com...

Where do they come up with this crap?

reply to post by Metaphysique


Now that is rich.

Your source discredits itself. Read it again. S-L-O-W-L-Y this time. You can see where he claims no planes ever leave contrails, then says the can, but only under EXTREMELY rare circumstances, and then, only so high up, you can't see it.

Even you, are capable of looking up enough real information to show contrails are not only possible, but are in fact a REALITY. Weather you are man enough to admit that, is an entirely different story.

reply to post by Metaphysique


Now I am confused. You are complaining that we aren't trashing your sources correctly?

Just what is it you want?

mrthumpy

OneFreeMan

Kellys
It was a clear morning here in the UK (Cheshire) and shortly after the sun came out the sky got pretty busy!

The views were stunning BUT made me wonder if there might be more to 'chemtrails' than I thought ....

These were taken today just after 8am. I'm sure that there are going to be plenty of people for and against but I have to say that to me they are stunning either way

What I did find was fantastic was seeing something that I've never seen before - I'm sure it's just the light/clouds and it's not done justice in this image - it was really bright and looked strange to me - probably because I've never seen anything like it before lol. Almost like a rainbow shrunk right down and turned on it's side

Any thoughts?

You were blasted. And blasted good. And all before 8 in the morning, before
the day has hardly begun.
Expect the usual suspects telling you it's all normal, to go back to bed with nothing
to worry about. Believe it if you will, but whatever you do don't believe your
lying eyes, because you cannot trust them at all you know!

Your photo's are good examples of the deliberate spraying chemtrailing program
that is plaguing us all.

Simple question for you. One that no chemtrail believer has ever been able to answer yet one that is fundamental to the chemtrail theory. Why aren't these just contrails?

It is clearly co-ordinated. It happens only on some days. The thick trails traverse a huge
distance across the sky and then spread out to join neighbouring trails to form
a thin clouded layer every time.
I have said before that when they are not spraying there is a huge decrease
in traffic volumes always to be accompanied by normal and quickly vanishing
contrails. The spraying always coincides with a big increase in air traffic, with
most planes leaving behind these persistent trails that span the sky.
I have witnessed this phenomena over the course of years now, and very little
has changed with the practice.
It is a clandestine and international operation. They have all their bases covered.

reply to post by OneFreeMan


since you don't check sources, or trust science, how about you try this experiment.

Go out on a day that "they are spraying heavy" and count the number of planes you see in 15 minutes.

Then go out on a day (at the same time, and same day of the week) that you don't see any trails. Count the number of planes you see in the same 15 minute period. You will have to look for them since they won't be leaving a trail.

Perhaps your eyes can teach your brain something new.

Metaphysique

Isn't it interesting? You're being told, by those claiming to be scientific, to not to bother investigating or denying ignorance, hmmm?

I haven't seen anyone except you mention "do not investigate"

I think people should investigate all they want - science is all about investigation. that is why there are scientific papers about contrails, and no investigations at all from chemtrail believers - where are the sample of chemtrails from believers showing the truth of their theory??? there are NONE!

You mentioned "spectroscopy" and how no-one was suggesting it - and then you completely failed to mention how it might be useful, what it might show, what equipment is required, how to do it.

Why don't you expand on that - it might actually be useful contribution from you for a change.

OneFreeMan


It is clearly co-ordinated.

Indeed there is a trillion $ industry coordinating it - including such activities as air traffic control and flight planning.....

It happens only on some days.

Damn that atmosphere for not having the conditions right all the time!!

The thick trails traverse a huge
distance across the sky and then spread out to join neighbouring trails to form
a thin clouded layer every time.

Damn that physics for daring to have large areas of the sky with humidity supersaturated with respect to ice!!

I have said before that when they are not spraying there is a huge decrease
in traffic volumes always to be accompanied by normal and quickly vanishing
contrails.

If the conditions are not conducive to persistent contrails then they will often be conducive to non-persistent ones, so that makes sense.

The spraying always coincides with a big increase in air traffic, with
most planes leaving behind these persistent trails that span the sky.

Have you measured the air traffic - or is it really just het number of contrails you are "measuring" to determine the amount of air traffic?

Do you actually count the number of flights "overhead" on a day without contrails using something like flightradar24?

Because it looks to me like you are not really counting the number of flights at all - just het number of contrails - and they are, of course, not the same thing at all!

I have witnessed this phenomena over the course of years now, and very little
has changed with the practice.

Yeah - I agree - that would be because the laws of physics aren't changing very quickly.....

It is a clandestine and international operation. They have all their bases covered.

Yep - it is the perfect conspiracy - no verifiable evidence, no whistleblowers, no trail of materials........except they leave all these massive tails in the sky so everyone knows it is happening, and they gave 60 years warning it would happen by doing it all in advance......

Personally I think whoever planned this was not quiet as clever as you think - if I'd done it you wouldn't be seeing any trails.....vote for me as the next international mastermind ruler of the world for a better class of overlord!!

Metaphysique
my my
funny how ya'all aren't using the "it's just a blog = no proof" argument.

Who said that?

I see people looking at what het blog actually say and then evaluating it and noting its self-contradictions.

That is called "examining (and discussing) the evidence" - something you seem remarkably reluctant to do!

Metaphysique
rather revealing what flight radar doesnt show.

Common aircraft models that usually do not have an ADS-B transponder and are not visible on Flightradar24 (within ADS-B coverage):

"Air Force One"
Antonov AN-124 and AN-225

Of which there are approximately 40.

'Air Force One' is a call sign given to an airplane transporting the president of the USA. it doesn't mean a particular aircraft. The 747-200s used for this, well you list them later on. And would you really want the information of where Air Force One is right now freely available on the web???

ATR 42, 72 (except most new deliveries of ATR 72-600)

Turboprop, flies below 26,000ft, so unlikely ever to produce a contrail over a populated area anyway.

Boeing 707, 717, 727, 737-200, 747-100, 747-200, 747SP

Lets see, 10 707s left in commercial service, 717s, quite a few (148), but uses normal turbofan engines and besides, not that many seem to be in use in Europe (25 or so).
727s, quite a lot but again it's not a high bypass turbofan or particularly large in capacity.
737-200, also old and not a high bypass engine - unlikely to produce persistent contrails.
741/2 - not used much nowadays anyway. 747SP, very few in service and I doubt many of them were flying over Cheshire this morning.


I could go on, but really you should do this sort of research yourself. The gist of that list is - most modern jets use ADS-B already, which make up most air traffic in any case. No ones claiming FR24 to be perfect but it does show a good proportion of actual air traffic.

OneFreeMan

mrthumpy

OneFreeMan

Kellys
It was a clear morning here in the UK (Cheshire) and shortly after the sun came out the sky got pretty busy!

The views were stunning BUT made me wonder if there might be more to 'chemtrails' than I thought ....

These were taken today just after 8am. I'm sure that there are going to be plenty of people for and against but I have to say that to me they are stunning either way

What I did find was fantastic was seeing something that I've never seen before - I'm sure it's just the light/clouds and it's not done justice in this image - it was really bright and looked strange to me - probably because I've never seen anything like it before lol. Almost like a rainbow shrunk right down and turned on it's side

Any thoughts?

You were blasted. And blasted good. And all before 8 in the morning, before
the day has hardly begun.
Expect the usual suspects telling you it's all normal, to go back to bed with nothing
to worry about. Believe it if you will, but whatever you do don't believe your
lying eyes, because you cannot trust them at all you know!

Your photo's are good examples of the deliberate spraying chemtrailing program
that is plaguing us all.

Simple question for you. One that no chemtrail believer has ever been able to answer yet one that is fundamental to the chemtrail theory. Why aren't these just contrails?

It is clearly co-ordinated. It happens only on some days. The thick trails traverse a huge
distance across the sky and then spread out to join neighbouring trails to form
a thin clouded layer every time.
I have said before that when they are not spraying there is a huge decrease
in traffic volumes always to be accompanied by normal and quickly vanishing
contrails. The spraying always coincides with a big increase in air traffic, with
most planes leaving behind these persistent trails that span the sky.
I have witnessed this phenomena over the course of years now, and very little
has changed with the practice.
It is a clandestine and international operation. They have all their bases covered.

No it was a simple question, why are those trails in the pictures posted not contrails? Why are normal contrails "quickly vanishing"?

OneFreeMan

It never is. On non-chemtrail spraying days here, the volume of air traffic
is ALWAYS drastically reduced.

How do you measure that?

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


How unfair of you both asking OFM a direct question like that. You should both know that contrails quickly dissipate because the ones that don't are chemtrails and that is sufficient depth of reason for any believer. Likewise there HAS to be fewer planes on non spray days because on those days there are fewer visible trails. What more do you need?

Unless of course OFM astounds me by posting a proper answer. Tick tock.