The "Alien Disinformation Campaign"

EarthCitizen07
reply to post by 1ofthe9

 

The purpose of the second amendment is to provide security for yourself, your family and country if need be. To remove a despotic government. The government stands no chance against 100 million armed americans, not to mention most of the servicemen would abandon the government and join forces. Evil would be crushed like a beer can.

Then the aliens invade enmasse and kill us off, but not before we kill some of there own. Or if they dont invade we capture or kill the ones hiding in DUMBs since they are only a few dozen thousand at most.

Who knows? The times are interesting!

7 billion humans would obliterate them in no time. I dont care if they have flash weapons or whatever. They are no match without some invasion from another planet. Perhaps the aliens know this and that is why they try to take over earth surreptitiously rather than just show up and say stfu and do as I say. That is how stalin and mao did it.

edit on 24/11/13 by EarthCitizen07 because: (no reason given)

It isn't about self defense. This is about Weltanschauungskrieg. You are operating under the same world view that drove Bennewitz to the breaking point; and this makes you a target for external influence. Not necessarily from TPTB - even a technically adept sociopath would be able to pull it off.

I'm trying to say that you could be manipulated into thinking you are living out the plot of They Live!, when the truth is the exact opposite.

reply to post by 1ofthe9

I'm trying to say that you could be manipulated into thinking you are living out the plot of They Live!, when the truth is the exact opposite.

Very clever. Just who are the parasites and how deep down
the rabbit hole do parasites go?

KPB

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by 1ofthe9

 

I'm trying to say that you could be manipulated into thinking you are living out the plot of They Live!, when the truth is the exact opposite.

Very clever. Just who are the parasites and how deep down
the rabbit hole do parasites go?

KPB

Perhaps they arise as some kind of natural structure in human group psychology. Memes spawning in the gestalt subscious. Belief will make people do things. Control the narrative, and you can influence actions. TPTB have been thinking about this stuff at least since the SRI human enhancement work in the 1960's.

We're having this discussion in the equivalent of the Nevada Test Site for this stuff.

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


sorry i join the party a bit late

there is one thing that I wonder.

why those UFOs only show up in certain countries..
in this region (southeast asia), I never heard people reporting of UFO sightings.

Somehow i feel that it relates to the frequencies (maybe only particular people can see them, because they operate on higher freq)

just like Camera can capture ghosts/ufo easily, but not the eyes of most people.. perhaps it has to do with the filters in our mind?

peace.

JadeStar
Analogy fail.

The whole world knows nuclear weapons exist. And they WOULD NOT EXIST WITHOUT SCIENCE. Duh.

People go to school to learn nuclear physics. There are whole disciplines within science which study nuclear physics. There are people who have worked on nuclear programs who are well known and who have testable evidence to back up their claim.

Additionally, any nation can monitor another nation's nuclear program with sufficient technology and there are nuclear non-proliferation treaties which are public knowledge based on the science that goes into that.

And UFOlogy has? Lazar? Roswell?

You know, when I watched a UFO documentary for the first time, I knew about Roswell and Lazar, in almost all cases when I see someone talking like that, they have not seen much of the topic. If you watched tons and tons of documents or cases (at least fifty or a couple so), you would see this UFO phenomena is far from the 'evidence' that religion provides and has a lot of reason to take possibilities.

This is not about being certain in what is not i.e presence of extraterrestrials, it is that there is plenty of clues to make you question it, expect it, take it as a possibility. That's where I am, that's where science should be at. Afterall they say science is ALWAYS OPEN MINDED! Ok where is the open mindness if one cannot accept possibilities based on cases, documents, artifacts?

And these cases documents etc etc are not proven to be fake? Where is the open mindness? You see, I watch this Citizens Hearing to see how people think and I can see how easily the topic gets rejected by science, even though we clearly have some kind of phenomenon that is unarguably real.

Also don't mix SCIENCE as INVENTING with science as a way to prove of something exists or not when politics is involved. If you start following blindly like a robot and where science fails in objectivity - to claim that something does not exist because you don't have the evidence - the evidence about things involving politics - how can one be cetain of what there is and what there isn't? Politics and SECRECY (the key word ) - how many more documents do you need to see there is a coverup and probably to EXPECT (aka be open minded) for MORE COVERUP? This is not evidence of trying to make YOU NOT HAVE the evidence (and since you will not have the evidence by scientific theories - we don't have the evidence so it doesn't exis) ??

I'm attacking the certainty to deny something, if it were 50% to 50% hey I would not be arguing

reply to post by dodol


Countries without a "Roswell" or Rendlesham forest to prime the imagination may never materialize UFOs.

Its crazy but I think I understand the mystery now.
Or at least part of me does.

I wouldn't be surptised if military black ops craft are sometimes used to prime the imagination both accidentally and on purpose.

Countries without UFOs still will have angels demons spirits or what not.

Great question. Shows intelligence!

dodol
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

 

sorry i join the party a bit late

there is one thing that I wonder.

why those UFOs only show up in certain countries..
in this region (southeast asia), I never heard people reporting of UFO sightings.

Somehow i feel that it relates to the frequencies (maybe only particular people can see them, because they operate on higher freq)

just like Camera can capture ghosts/ufo easily, but not the eyes of most people.. perhaps it has to do with the filters in our mind?

peace.

China has had an active UFO scene for a few decades now. The phenomena might be seen as something else through the cultural lenses of the area.

reply to post by 1ofthe9


What lense do they use?

Btw I'll just say this now - it is obvious to many now.

People stop believing in faeries - no more faeries.
People stop believing in demons - no more demons
People believe in ufos - ufos appear.

By examining cultures and what they see this becomes obvious.

Now the AA disinfo campaign thats interesting and further proves my point. Someone else want to explain that? Its humorous.

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by 1ofthe9

 

What lense do they use?

Btw I'll just say this now - it is obvious to many now.

People stop believing in faeries - no more faeries.
People stop believing in demons - no more demons
People believe in ufos - ufos appear.

By examining cultures and what they see this becomes obvious.

Now the AA disinfo campaign thats interesting and further proves my point. Someone else want to explain that? Its humorous.

Probably a spirit model. Shamanism is common despite the predominance of Islam.

reply to post by 1ofthe9


I think you'd like my reply in Guts thread.

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by 1ofthe9

 

What lense do they use?

Btw I'll just say this now - it is obvious to many now.

People stop believing in faeries - no more faeries.
People stop believing in demons - no more demons
People believe in ufos - ufos appear.

By examining cultures and what they see this becomes obvious.

Now the AA disinfo campaign thats interesting and further proves my point. Someone else want to explain that? Its humorous.

So if I believe in santa claus will he come down the chimney christmas eve to deliver my gifts?

And how would you know anything about "AA disinfo campaign" when you have admitted you just started studying ufos a month ago? Are you really that fast a learner or do you say anything you feel like at the moment just to sound smart?

I take offense to "AA disinfo campaign" because unlike most clowns on this site I have done the research to confirm what the show talks about. If people cant handle the truth then that is their problem and I wont cater to their ignorance.

1ofthe9

EarthCitizen07
reply to post by 1ofthe9

 

The purpose of the second amendment is to provide security for yourself, your family and country if need be. To remove a despotic government. The government stands no chance against 100 million armed americans, not to mention most of the servicemen would abandon the government and join forces. Evil would be crushed like a beer can.

Then the aliens invade enmasse and kill us off, but not before we kill some of there own. Or if they dont invade we capture or kill the ones hiding in DUMBs since they are only a few dozen thousand at most.

Who knows? The times are interesting!

7 billion humans would obliterate them in no time. I dont care if they have flash weapons or whatever. They are no match without some invasion from another planet. Perhaps the aliens know this and that is why they try to take over earth surreptitiously rather than just show up and say stfu and do as I say. That is how stalin and mao did it.

edit on 24/11/13 by EarthCitizen07 because: (no reason given)

It isn't about self defense. This is about Weltanschauungskrieg. You are operating under the same world view that drove Bennewitz to the breaking point; and this makes you a target for external influence. Not necessarily from TPTB - even a technically adept sociopath would be able to pull it off.

I'm trying to say that you could be manipulated into thinking you are living out the plot of They Live!, when the truth is the exact opposite.

Never seen the movie and i dont live movie plots out.

What "truth" are you talking about? I am tired of NASA and the government lying so often about everything! A bunch of dogmatic know-it-alls that cant even study the real phenomena cause the government classifies whatever it feels like. Then people come on here and say there is no evidence. Well how the hell do others find the evidence? If you really care you can find it, just like I did.

1ofthe9

JadeStar

EarthCitizen07
reply to post by JadeStar

 

Near the end you will see neil armstrong walking inside a derelict structure on the dark side of the moon.

Did you know the moon was hallow with aliens inside it? Thats for another lecture lol.

I'm an astronomer. Don't feed me junk hoax videos off of youtube which only scientifically illiterate people think have any sort of legitimacy.

I look through actual real data, including from the moon, and most of what you think is evidence is nonsense.

Now if you REALLY want to look for structures on the moon, there -is- a legitimate science project which may be starting soon which you can participate in.

Or do you just prefer being entertained by outlandish stories?

edit on 24-11-2013 by JadeStar because: (no reason given)

Oooh. Is that the Bracewell search with the LRO data? I dimly recall reading something like that somewhere. That'll be a fun crowd sourcing project.

Yep. It's to look for anything artificial on the moon that we didn't put there

ImpactoR

You know, when I watched a UFO documentary for the first time, I knew about Roswell and Lazar, in almost all cases when I see someone talking like that, they have not seen much of the topic. If you watched tons and tons of documents or cases (at least fifty or a couple so), you would see this UFO phenomena is far from the 'evidence' that religion provides and has a lot of reason to take possibilities.

How do you know that I haven't watched plenty of documentaries and reviewed plenty of documents?

Just because I am a scientist doesn't mean I have not reviewed the evidence in depth.

Other than the inconclusive FOIA documents the other stuff has been proven as forgeries (MJ 12, Serpo, countless other "official accounts" of crash/retrievals), or misunderstanding on the part of the interpreter (Fireman's Guide to Disaster Control, ET Exposure Law, Outer Space Treaty of 1967, Hottel Memo, the Reagan "aliens among us" UN speech, etc) there are no "smoking gun" documents that UFOS are craft piloted by ETs.

There is nothing that rises to the level of "OMG ET is Here!"

This is not about being certain in what is not i.e presence of extraterrestrials, it is that there is plenty of clues to make you question it, expect it, take it as a possibility.

I don't discount the possibility, I just discount the cartoony accounts of people who have a book to sell, conferences to get speaking fees for and TV shows to appear on.

The whole field I am in is involved with a serious search for aliens, not just "out there" either. I'm willing to consider any real evidence that has legitimacy. What I am not willing to do is waste time on proven hoax material.

Nor should you. It is your RIGHT as an intelligent human being to demand better evidence and not simply buy the cop out story that better evidence has been covered up across multiple generations with nary a peep from anyone for 60+ years.

That's where I am, that's where science should be at. Afterall they say science is ALWAYS OPEN MINDED! Ok where is the open mindness if one cannot accept possibilities based on cases, documents, artifacts?

1. A case must have some conclusive evidence which can be examined and rexamined for it to be considered a strong indicator of ET contact. No UFO case has risen to that level.

2. "Leaked" documents consisting of forgeries are discounted, documents with a clear chain of custody, have thus far been inconclusive and told us nothing more about the phenomena than we knew 40 years ago except that in some cases the military uses the UFO/Alien thing as a cover for black projects.

3. Artifacts? Where? Point me to them. And I don't mean Ancient Aliens. I mean a bonafide physical artifact from a UFO case which has been or can be studied by instruments to determine its composition and origin. And I don't mean Dr. Lear, the podiatrist and his pieces of glass he calls "implants" which emit "scalar waves" on "frequencies he can not reveal" to Art Bell.

And these cases documents etc etc are not proven to be fake? Where is the open mindness?

Where's the open mindedness?

Right here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

You see, I watch this Citizens Hearing to see how people think and I can see how easily the topic gets rejected by science, even though we clearly have some kind of phenomenon that is unarguably real.

Almost no one in science will say the UFO phenomena is not real. What they WON'T say is that its "OMG Alienz" with out good solid, undeniable evidence.

There can be a myriad of explanations for the UFO phenomena and most of these are mundane. The stranger ones are likely rare but not one need necessarily invoke aliens unless there is a good reason to go there.

Also don't mix SCIENCE as INVENTING with science as a way to prove of something exists or not when politics is involved. If you start following blindly like a robot and where science fails in objectivity - to claim that something does not exist because you don't have the evidence - the evidence about things involving politics - how can one be cetain of what there is and what there isn't?

One can speculate about any number of things which don't exist. That speculation does not make them any more real.

How can you be certain that Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny don't exist? What proof can you give me they aren't real? People see them too after all...

See what I mean?

Don't confuse your biased view of science with the scientific method used to separate fact from fantasy.

EarthCitizen07

JadeStar

I'm an astronomer. Don't feed me junk hoax videos off of youtube which only scientifically illiterate people think have any sort of legitimacy.

I look through actual real data, including from the moon, and most of what you think is evidence is nonsense.

Tell you what, since you are an astronomer, could you please focus the telescope on the moon and other planets and then paste them here in high definition for our viewing pleasure? Please. That would be so cool.

Check out the ATS Space forum. There are plenty of "pretty pictures" of the moon and planets posted there. Also check Space.com

Now if you REALLY want to look for structures on the moon, there -is- a legitimate science project which may be starting soon which you can participate in.

Or do you just prefer being entertained by outlandish stories?

edit on 24-11-2013 by JadeStar because: (no reason given)

Sorry. I posted the wrong video before. Take a look at the new one I posted.

And get back to me with those high definition moon pics, and perhaps some mars photos to see what that face actually is.

The video is a joke (but sure sounds "sciency" to the layperson). The "face" is actually a hill. Go google the face on mars photos from the 1990s as opposed to the low res one from the 1970s.

Whats that....you can't? Why not? Yeah I thought so.

So what's your answer as to why the "Face" is just a hill? Another cover up? Convenient isn't it?

Keep listening to SETI for codes. LOL. We already have all the information we need. ITS COVERED UP THOUGH!

Keep believing in stories without evidence. It's all covered up right? That will sure get us somewhere in finding real aliens won't it?

reply to post by JadeStar


Nice post. You'll notice that I also tend to say that,
even when you come after my posts that have elements
you don't think are valid. But I do appreciate a strong
rational approach in 95% of all cases. In the other 5%
I also appreciate a rational approach, but those
involve more subjective elements and I understand
those would of necessity be controversial.

KPB

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by JadeStar

 

Nice post. You'll notice that I also tend to say that,
even when you come after my posts that have elements
you don't think are valid. But I do appreciate a strong
rational approach in 95% of all cases. In the other 5%
I also appreciate a rational approach, but those
involve more subjective elements and I understand
those would of necessity be controversial.

KPB

And you know we're both all about that interesting 5%. I'm just as interested in learning about the mystery they present. But where I differ from some people is that I won't jump the gun and declare that since that 5% is a mystery that they automatically equal aliens.

There's so much we don't know about our brain and how it perceives things outside of its normal frame of reference that simply declaring the mystery solved and saying "aliens" would short circuit any research into that as a possibility while getting us no closer to "the aliens"

And trust me, I'd love for those alien stories to be true, and perhaps some of them are, but as anyone with a rational approach will say, we're going to need a lot better evidence for that to be the case.

reply to post by JadeStar


Nice post!

(told you I said that!)

I actually believe that it's "Precognitive Sentient Phenomenon" not
'aliens' in the normal sense that are responsible for a few percent
of those 'crazy phenomenon'. That's what I'm researching.

The fact that all these stories about abductions and sightings, that
leave no physical evidence but evidence the "PSP phenomenon"
include either 'balls of light', "1960's stereotypical silver disk UFOs"
or basically humans with a couple percent modification.. makes
me REALLY think that if this PSP stuff is as real as I perceive it to
be.. and others perceive it to be.. it HAS to be linked to our
unconscious minds somehow.. or to 'somethings' relatively
unsophisticated mind... or else it would use more sophisticated
ufo types.. and more sophisticated alien types.. such as floating
gas bag with mechanical translation voice box.. or something
even more exotic.

It's almost like some naughty alien child is playing with us..
with a very juvenile and childlike imaginative mind..
that seems stuck in the 1960's or something..

I have 'deeper observations' and 'opinions' worked out; but
this is a somewhat edited version to attempt to communicate
with you with minimal conflict.

Any comments? I promise your identity is hidden and your
comrades in science won't know you are getting all freaky!

Otherwise I'm 100% on the same page as traditional scientists
about alien possibilities in our big old universe.

KPB

JadeStar
How do you know that I haven't watched plenty of documentaries and reviewed plenty of documents?

Well, by saying Lazar and Roswell, that suggested you don't know much better or more probable cases (with less disinfo due to being less popular).

Other than the inconclusive FOIA documents the other stuff has been proven as forgeries (MJ 12, Serpo, countless other "official accounts" of crash/retrievals), or misunderstanding on the part of the interpreter (Fireman's Guide to Disaster Control, ET Exposure Law, Outer Space Treaty of 1967, Hottel Memo, the Reagan "aliens among us" UN speech, etc) there are no "smoking gun" documents that UFOS are craft piloted by ETs.

There is nothing that rises to the level of "OMG ET is Here!"

That is true but I would disagree on all documents being proven fake even ones for MJ12. You may be a scientist but you do not know how disinformation works - it is mixing truth with lies and one does not know what is true and what is not. How and what is mixed, I don't know either. That's why there is nothing conclusive about ETs - I am on the same page, I am no believer that thinks there are for sure (and I bear no understanding of shamanism, contactees, telepathy or other state of mind).

I don't discount the possibility, I just discount the cartoony accounts of people who have a book to sell, conferences to get speaking fees for and TV shows to appear on.

The whole field I am in is involved with a serious search for aliens, not just "out there" either. I'm willing to consider any real evidence that has legitimacy. What I am not willing to do is waste time on proven hoax material.

Nor should you. It is your RIGHT as an intelligent human being to demand better evidence and not simply buy the cop out story that better evidence has been covered up across multiple generations with nary a peep from anyone for 60+ years.

I agree but you should give some credit to people even if they write a book about it - not everybody is a liar, as long as they are not appearing on every possible show to say they clearly want to show their arse on TV.

1. A case must have some conclusive evidence which can be examined and rexamined for it to be considered a strong indicator of ET contact. No UFO case has risen to that level.

2. "Leaked" documents consisting of forgeries are discounted, documents with a clear chain of custody, have thus far been inconclusive and told us nothing more about the phenomena than we knew 40 years ago except that in some cases the military uses the UFO/Alien thing as a cover for black projects.

3. Artifacts? Where? Point me to them. And I don't mean Ancient Aliens. I mean a bonafide physical artifact from a UFO case which has been or can be studied by instruments to determine its composition and origin. And I don't mean Dr. Lear, the podiatrist and his pieces of glass he calls "implants" which emit "scalar waves" on "frequencies he can not reveal" to Art Bell.

That's the thing, you should not discount documents who are half true. I am not saying you should believe them either... it's like 'be open for any possibilities'.

Like you said, these documents tell us nothing, one can fairly assume there are more hidden documents. Like I said, from Citizens Hearing - one of the people mentioned how they release the docs of some blobs or descriptions of cases but not the president and other officials talking about such cases - then you would know the heads of the states are quite aware of something and may know more that the average person.

I ask myself - why so much and endless documentation, who would seriously make thousands of files all fake? That is- some people you don't usually see on meetings showing some document that you never heard about - communication between a president and 'others' - obviously there is secrecy.


Of course for science this is not enough and more should be demanded. You may be a scientist and show some sort of objectivity (accepting possibilities but nothing conclusive about ET so far - I am on the same page) but there are plenty of people, scoffers who can make even ridiculous and untrue claims about UFOs and give ridiculous explanations to serve the purpose of explanation when SCIENTIFICALLY such skeptical explanations fail (in most cases).

The reason why this topic is a joke is not because it MAY not be true that this place has been visited (you ask what artifacts - well think of all the drawings, petroglyphs, native americans talking about people who came from the sky - this is NOT conclusive evidence of ET but I would say it is a possibility - there are descriptions of what would come as something obviously intelligent and out of this planet - I am aware also of the explanations of religious pictures and that not everything shown in Ancient Aliens (Ancient Astronaut Theory is the name of the theory), should even slightly suggest alien).

Lovelock cave findings, Troy (which has nothing ET but for the sake of proving some myths have been true) - again a field worthy to consider with possibilities.

So the reason why the topic is a joke is exactly because there is nothing conclusive just as much as there are no whistleblowers who say that the alien topics have been made for Black Ops coverup.

Also some way of disinformation is making up a false story to cover another real story both can be related to something extraordinary, the cover-up story does not mean absolutely covering up some explainable phenomena

It's such a mixture of lies and truth that it is wasteful to even bother, that's why the topic is such a joke

Oh and fyi, I have also studied Astronomy and physics in university, it is not astrophysics but it is still more than ;I bought a telescope and read the manual how to use it'.

I have never seen a UFO (in terms of something extraordinary) as I was able to identify everything least of all as conventional.

I do not know where you even get these UFOs flying every day, you Americans are just full of imagination and watch too many movies, or movies watch you too much haha

reply to post by 1ofthe9


A funny and clever response!

You know why I don't believe in "good aliens" for the most part? It's because 95% + of the 'aliens and ufos' we see are these 'gestalt apparitions' - and humans only store existential fear loathing and hate and a little childish moodiness / prankishness (as in fey folk) in their group soul. They couldn't materialize a good alien for the life of them. They dont know how.
They are still trying to materialize a good messiah but they don't know how to do that either. They don't know how to reach for heaven without mistakenly creating hell and trying to force people into it.