California Town Bans Smoking in Condos and Apartments That Share Walls

Taxes gather by States alone. This doesn't cover the federal taxes:

en.wikipedia.org...

Let's go conservative on this. We'll say $1.50/pack. A person averages a pack/day. That's over $500/smoker/year. Let's say there are 70 million smokers in the States. Again probably a low number. That's over 100 billion a year. Remember, this is only State taxes.

MysterX
reply to post by Diabolical

 

As long as they don't introduce a 'No masturbating if you have neighbours policy!

You think i'm joking? If they can ban smoking in your own home, while legally selling tobacco and making profit from the sales taxes, they can ban literally anything...including fiddling with your little man (or whatever you like to fiddle with!)

Only if you're a screamer or have paper walls.

intrepid
Taxes gather by States alone. This doesn't cover the federal taxes:

en.wikipedia.org...

Let's go conservative on this. We'll say $1.50/pack. A person averages a pack/day. That's over $500/smoker/year. Let's say there are 70 million smokers in the States. Again probably a low number. That's over 100 billion a year. Remember, this is only State taxes.

chump change for government, divide that by 50 states and you average 2billion/yr/state

reply to post by jtma508


No, it didn't used to be this way. We used to be free and people were tolerant of others. Now everyone has a broom up their a** over the most miniscule issues.

Anti-smokers are crybabies. I don't smoke and I see it.

reply to post by Restricted


We also didn't have so many damned people from so many different cultures packed tightly into such small cities. If you want to go back to little house on the prairie days, convince the feds to sell you land outside of county control (which they NEVER will) so that you can do whatever the hell you want since no one will be around.

DerbyGawker
chump change for government, divide that by 50 states and you average 2billion/yr/state

Are you willing to make up the difference? Even so, can you speak for other taxpayers? It's been my experience that there are some that whine, "The gov't is cutting services my taxes pay for. They are raising my taxes. Why is their hand so deep in my pocket? They're hammering the smokers? SCREW THOSE BASTARDS."

reply to post by intrepid

Thanks intrepid for the info, just backs up my story even more.
Federal is currently $1.10. Federal Tax

intrepid

DerbyGawker
chump change for government, divide that by 50 states and you average 2billion/yr/state

Are you willing to make up the difference? Even so, can you speak for other taxpayers? It's been my experience that there are some that whine, "The gov't is cutting services my taxes pay for. They are raising my taxes. Why is their hand so deep in my pocket? They're hammering the smokers? SCREW THOSE BASTARDS."

You forgot to calculate all the other costs associated with smoking that negate the example sum of 100billion.

www.cdc.gov...

Smoking cost the United States over $193 billion in 2004

So under your example, we only made -93billion from smoking including taxes.

EDIT: That's JUST healthcare costs.

reply to post by Restricted


drinking is more dangerous to your health and the life and well being of others... but you don't see the democrats (druggies and drunks) crying about that now.

Alcohol causes so much damage in so many other arenas it is almost uncountable... the money and grief and everything is costs society and the taxpayer.

this is wholly a 100% democratic thing, and it is obviously a socialist town. Democrats ideals are based on dividing people... maybe one day will will have smoking states and none smoking states?

being in California they already have a non-smoking town and towns where the normal laws are obeyed.

man what a fruitcake state!

Sounds like another excuse for cops to knock down your door and taser you in the face...

Dispatch. All units respond we have a smoker at address blah blah approach with caution blah blah...

lol the /sarcasm

reply to post by jtma508


I find the stench from cars horrid..do i want to ban them? nope.
I always ask this question to the people who are so anti 2nd hand smoke.

Would you prefer to be in an enclosed room with 100 smokers or one running car?

intrepid
Taxes gather by States alone. This doesn't cover the federal taxes:

en.wikipedia.org...

Let's go conservative on this. We'll say $1.50/pack. A person averages a pack/day. That's over $500/smoker/year. Let's say there are 70 million smokers in the States. Again probably a low number. That's over 100 billion a year. Remember, this is only State taxes.

$1.50 a pack eh?

Blimey, it's about $11.33 a pack here in the UK...i gave it up years ago using Ecigs (which are much better all round IMO), the UK government rakes in around £11 Billion a year (about $18 Billion) in sales tax on the Tobacco sold here (and that's even with tens of thousands going to France or Belgium to buy cheaper Tobacco!)

They keep going on about how smoking related illness costs the NHS Billions each year, about £5 Billion was their last estimate (jumped curiously from about £1.5 Billion, but that's a conspiracy for others to dig in to)...even so, i make that a 'profit from smokers' of about £6 Billion per year...not bad for bugger all effort is it.

As an ex-smoker of 30 years, i still believe grown adults ought to have the right to put anything they decide into their own bodies, including Tobacco and it is not the right of Government to use these tactics to cajole or bully adults into complying with whatever the governments preference on smoking happens to be this month or year, especially when they are raking in vast sums of cash ON tobacco at the same time.

reply to post by boymonkey74


If both rooms have ventilation, I'd honestly choose the vehicle.

reply to post by MysterX


name brand Marlboro are $2.98 USD a pack in my state... about what they are worth before you start rolling your own.

Ignore California please... they are the nations embarrassment, we would love nothing more than to rebuke them from our union.

they have their own little microcosm going on out there... and no matter if they have more reps in Washington because of their population size, they are a far cry from the direction the rest of our nation is heading and behaves.

reply to post by DerbyGawker


Enclosed....my point is cars go past you every day pumping exhaust fumes into you..far worse than passive smoking but no one cares about that they just like to moan about smokers.

boymonkey74
reply to post by DerbyGawker

 

Enclosed....my point is cars go past you every day pumping exhaust fumes into you..far worse than passive smoking but no one cares about that they just like to moan about smokers.

My point is that they don't. The science has obviously escaped you. It's really easy. 10ppm is less than 100ppm. You aren't standing 2" away from a vehicles exhaust unlike a cigarette, and as a cigarette not only produces more CO per volume, you are exposed to a prolonged concentration as your inhalation is highly localized (right in front of your face) unlike a vehicle that is some-odd meters away from you whose exhaust (which contains less CO per volume) is quickly dispersed and mixed into the surrounding air and weather system which dramatically lowers its ppm to within "acceptable levels" (acceptable being another debate).

So like I've said. You are exposed to far more CO and particulate matter from a cigarette right in front of your face than a single (even multiple) vehicles on the road away from you. You're completely confusing the facts.

1 vehicle to 1 cigarette, you are exposed to a greater quantity from the cigarette.

This isn't to say that conventional fuel vehicles shouldn't be penalized (as they are to encourage the adoption of zero emission vehicles) (sidenote: random fact: did you know hybrids produce more emissions than certain Subaru ULVs?).

Truly, the single greatest polluter of vehicles isn't the fuel, it's the damned tires. Constant friction rubbing off your tread, where do you think it goes? Does it melt to the road? Nope, it's dusted into fine carcinogenic particulate matter and inhaled by passerby's and dispersed through the local weather system.

reply to post by DerbyGawker


Cancer. 2nd rate. Pfft. Let's look at #1 cause of death in the States:

Having high cholesterol puts you at risk of developing heart disease, the leading cause of death in the United States. People of all ages and backgrounds can have high cholesterol.
America's Cholesterol Burden

71 million American adults (33.5%) have high LDL, or “bad,” cholesterol.1
Only 1 out of every 3 adults with high LDL cholesterol has the condition under control.1
Less than half of adults with high LDL cholesterol get treatment.1
People with high total cholesterol have approximately twice the risk of heart disease as people with optimal levels. A desirable level is lower than 200 mg/dL.
The average total cholesterol level for adult Americans is about 200 mg/dL, which is borderline high risk.2

www.cdc.gov...

Btw, same site as your stats.

So are you saying that McDonald's should be regulated because they cost the taxpayer so much in health costs? Or is it just the smokers. Again....

reply to post by intrepid


And they're starting to phase out trans fats, yet people still complaint, "but my rights". Oh I'm sorry I didn't know you had a right to the social collection of capital to produce an industrialized chemical food product. If you can make it at home, more power to you.

My point regarding the CDC stats isn't just that tobacco costs ~$200 billion a year in healthcare costs. It isn't that the combined total social costs doesn't exceed ~$400 billion. It's that that is lost economic potential. Imagine what an organized society could bestow upon its self with ~$400 billion.

reply to post by intrepid


oh they are working on banning the fast food joint too...

Liberals love you, they only want what is best for you, no matter if it infringes upon your freedoms.

like Bloomberg's ban on large soda's in New York lol...

people will only take so much, Texas is probably only second behind Virginia when it comes to a Constitutional state... Virginian's get angry when prices pass $3 a pack and they say/do something about it.

the soda ban and smoking ban in your own private property (which is sacred) will never fly here in a few lifetimes, not just my own.

California is going to end up looking a lot like Canada before too long... with an American design twist.

reply to post by SisyphusRide


You dissing Canada?

Intrepid Attack!!!

DerbyGawker
Imagine what an organized society could bestow upon its self with ~$400 billion.

Whoa there dude. On this page you said that 100 billion was chump change. But 400 billion isn't? We haven't moved a comma here.

AND, who decides what an "organized society" is? Yours could be very different from mine. And his. And hers. And those folks.