Insurgent cowards

Originally posted by skram
all freedom is at the expense of another man's freedom. you're country is cowardly for the reasons i outlined. not sure how you can call yourself reason. must be that psychotic self-delusion you are all suffering from. deal with it guys, the whole world hates you right now.

I am not psychotic or delusional.

What have you outlined.... The United States is cowardly because we have a modern military. We are cowardly because we have the capability of fighting without always putting our soilders in harms was. Is that what you are "outlining".

Do you suggest I change my screen name because I have not followed your opinion or your thoughts on an issue.

Hey Buddy.... Freedom is not free.

Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. ~Abraham Lincoln

No one is free when others are oppressed. ~Author Unknown

Reason

It dont do any good to "reason" with them they will blame the cold blooded murder of a woman on Ickes Reptiles or try to say because we have tanks its justified to murder women and video tape it like a kids birthday party

Do you honestly think they are "reasonable"?

[edit on 17-11-2004 by Amuk]

Originally posted by dh

Well the secret government do it all, at the same time they create their small-time rivals
Let's not worry too much about the particular classifications of the Perps

I agree lets not allow any messy old facts, or proof or anything like that interfere in the fairy tale


[edit on 17-11-2004 by Amuk]

I agree. The pysche of many of these 'terrorists' has been clouded and indoctrinated by puedo-patrioism by whome ever is in charge; but, at the same time, it could be said that the American goverment is responsible for the very same mental games.

The problem is two-fold: one needs to differentiate between "insurgents"(those fighting an "ILLEGAL" foriegn occupation) and, "terrorists" (those in Iraq taking the advantage of the situation to stir the pot).

Insurgents seem to privy to the American occupation, and after seeing such rancor images on "Al Jazeera" regarding rapes, war crimes, etc etc etc, it does leave a bitter taste in ones mouth regarding thier "liberators", and then add a dead 'innocent' family member, and you get one pissed of Iraqie who has seen nothing but terror.

I think the beheadings (only 3-4 occured out of the 36 murdered captives) has been shown more or less as a "shock and awe" tactic by the U.S. government to convince it's public and naysayers how 'savage' these people were. Add in some so-called "torture" chambers found (let's see some proof) and you get an ever more vile image of these terrorists.

Take a look at this article, and tell me how you would feel in the situtation of an average Iraqi.

www.empirenotes.org...

Bush said: The first to see our determination were the Taliban, who made Afghanistan the primary training base of al-Qaida killers. As of this month, that country has a new constitution, guaranteeing free elections and full participation by women. Businesses are opening, health care centers are being established, and the boys and girls of Afghanistan are back in school. With help from the new Afghan Army, our coalition is leading aggressive raids against surviving members of the Taliban and al-Qaida.

The truth: The 15 children killed in a single U.S. bombing incident in November and the numerous others killed in �search-and-destroy� missions are not in school. And, contrary to the impression he wishes to give, the United States has done virtually nothing to reconstruct Afghanistan

Bush said: Our forces are on the offensive, leading over 1,600 patrols a day, and conducting an average of 180 raids every week. We are dealing with these thugs in Iraq, just as surely as we dealt with Saddam Hussein's evil regime.

Response: These 180 raids per week make enemies of at least 1000 Iraqi families every week. Instead of knocking on the door and asking for a suspect, as would be standard in police operations, they start by breaking down the door. Then they raid the house, violate people�s (especially women�s) privacy, throw people down on the ground and humiliate them, and, according to Iraqi human rights workers, in virtually every raid they steal money and jewelry. Numerous eyewitness accounts of cases where people were shot when their homes were raided indicate that soldiers don�t even offer them medical attention until after they have searched the house.

How do you think these people feel?

Deep

Originally posted by Amuk
Reason

It dont do any good to "reason" with them they will blame the cold blooded murder of a woman on Ickes Reptiles or try to say because we have tanks its justified to murder women and video tape it like a kids birthday party

Do you honestly think they are "reasonable"?

[edit on 17-11-2004 by Amuk]

Ummmmm.....Reasonable...........

Later,
Reason

deep,

I understand you. It is a very difficult situation out there in Iraq. Damned if you do.... Damned if you don't.

Lets Neglect the whole getting into the war thing.

We are currently there and there is not a whole lot we can do about it. I understand that every time there is an Incident we create one more enemy. We Really have no choice but to carry on and keep fighting, Keep searching,and Keep policing.

If we don't then we will destabilize the whole area and create a vaccum the world would have never seen before.

We are in tough times.

If I were Prez and I knew all the info the prez knew before he started the war I would have never went in.

We are now stuck there. But since we are here we must carry on.

I hope all goes well and history looks back and says we did the right thing.

Later,

Reason

Originally posted by REASON
Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. ~Abraham Lincoln

No one is free when others are oppressed. ~Author Unknown

exactly, reason....exactly

True say reason.

The same way the image of your average Iraqi is being super-imposed by an image of a terrorist, is the very same way the image of your average soldier is being super-imposed with an image of one commiting a war crime. Remember, news agencies do not make money over poppies being given to Iraqies and soldiers.

But, there is one problem, and that problem being George Bush: He has created more terrorism than he could hope to ever destroy. He's a man whose bankrupted the American treasury over this silly war, and not will further continue to degrade the American society on his current discourse. Anyone can realize after observing his credentials and his ability to govern an entire country, that the man is an idiot.

I think you need to start conquering the world when you can conquer all those idiots in the whitehouse.

Deep

Yeah while I can listen to your rhetoric, the fact remains that these cowards ho don't even have the cajones to show their faces - they hide behind dirt covered bag over their heads, while in the same breath they claim "injustice" by allied forces putting bags over prisoners heads. Ooooh the injustice of the allied forces. Aljazeera HQ should be leveled.

Originally posted by REASON

my list can go on and on and on and on............

You know why....... Because my country is not cowardly and I am allowed to speak freely.

All I can say is sweet! Nice Sumation m8.

Agreed. Nice summation indeed!
These scumbags, and all of their one sided, flat out lying (they know no other way) is a travesty to being a human. MUSHROOM fields!

Well that is the kind of thing that happens in war, similar things happened in Vietnam and many other conflicts. Violence breeds violence, so a good way to avoid it is to not start wars!

REASON
If we don't then we will destabilize the whole area and create a vaccum the world would have never seen before.

Well, that�s not the fault of the Middle East. The Whitehouse is to blame for that, and the whole world knows it. Too bad it never occurred to our fearless leader before he went charging in there like Ghengis Khan.

Superdude
Yeah while I can listen to your rhetoric, the fact remains that these cowards ho don't even have the cajones to show their faces - they hide behind dirt covered bag over their heads, while in the same breath they claim "injustice" by allied forces putting bags over prisoners heads. Ooooh the injustice of the allied forces. Aljazeera HQ should be leveled.

These scumbags, and all of their one sided, flat out lying (they know no other way) is a travesty to being a human. MUSHROOM fields!

If it wasn�t for our �one sided, flat out lying� leader, we wouldn�t be there in the 1st place, Rambo.

while we're on the topic of who's the coward...I think I mentioned this in another thread....

no matter how long and hard I think about it, I can't come up with ONE single reason I could ever strap explosives to my child and send him out to blow up a military checkpoint, convoy, market, etc

....the resistance, freedom fighters, terrorists, war criminals, invaders, occupiers...no matter what we want to call them - NOBODY can deny the above example as the lowest form of cowardice

Why would you assume that these people have to ask their parents permission first?

I would think sacrificing physical self for a cause would be considered less cowardly than dropping bombs from 10,000 feet.

rayzor11

no matter how long and hard I think about it, I can't come up with ONE single reason I could ever strap explosives to my child and send him out to blow up a military checkpoint, convoy, market, etc

....the resistance, freedom fighters, terrorists, war criminals, invaders, occupiers...no matter what we want to call them - NOBODY can deny the above example as the lowest form of cowardice.

Well. let's hope your town isn't leveled by a foreign military you didn't invite in. After you've had an AK47 stuck up your nose, or your daughter has been turned into a fine red mist, then tell us what you will and won't do ...


[edit on 11/18/2004 by netbound]

Originally posted by warmongeringcouchcoward
Why would you assume that these people have to ask their parents permission first?

I would think sacrificing physical self for a cause would be considered less cowardly than dropping bombs from 10,000 feet.

I'm not talking about "permission" from a teenager, etc...I'm talking about sacrificing an innocent child - your own innocent child

would YOU strap explosives to your OWN child and send him out to blow up a checkpoint, etc?

simple question

Originally posted by rayzor11

Originally posted by warmongeringcouchcoward
Why would you assume that these people have to ask their parents permission first?

I would think sacrificing physical self for a cause would be considered less cowardly than dropping bombs from 10,000 feet.

I'm not talking about "permission" from a teenager, etc...I'm talking about sacrificing an innocent child - your own innocent child

would YOU strap explosives to your OWN child and send him out to blow up a checkpoint, etc?

simple question

I wouldn't strap explosives to my own child. I wouldn't push my kids into the military either.

Originally posted by netbound
rayzor11

no matter how long and hard I think about it, I can't come up with ONE single reason I could ever strap explosives to my child and send him out to blow up a military checkpoint, convoy, market, etc

....the resistance, freedom fighters, terrorists, war criminals, invaders, occupiers...no matter what we want to call them - NOBODY can deny the above example as the lowest form of cowardice.

Well. let's hope your town isn't leveled by a foreign military you didn't invite in. After you've had an AK47 stuck up your nose, or your nephew has been turned into a fine red mist, then tell us what you will and won't do ...

thats EXACTLY my train of thought - what would it take...what type of atrocity would I have to endure... for me to send my 5 year-old child out the door....ahead of MYSELF?

NOTHING

and the fact that they would send their child FIRST is the lowest form of cowardice I can fathom



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[edit on 18-11-2004 by rayzor11]

Originally posted by superdude
In my opinion that entire part of the world should be a mushroom field.

Originally posted by superdude
These scumbags, and all of their one sided, flat out lying (they know no other way) is a travesty to being a human. MUSHROOM fields!

Hey there superdud what's stopping you from joining the military yourself. It's obvious you have some hatred towards arabs, wouldn't it be a dream come true for you to actually be over there doing something instead of making pathetic "mushroom field" comments over the internet? Please spare us the irony of calling other people cowards...

Also please be aware that when you make disgusting comments like that all you really do is fuel hate...not hate from your enemies in Iraq however, but hatred from your fellow Americans.





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