A shocking discovery possible enviromental catastrophy

I created this topic with the intent on trying to get an analysis done on the current state of contaminates in the local water supply. Due to the fact that a "site-visit" would not be possible by a group of people for obvious reasons i will attempt to sneak back into the premisses using my gillie suit and collect photographs and water/soil samples. Anyone with a chemistry background or laboratory access is welcome to help therefore i can send samples via mail to.

Back-story

while out bow-hunting this season i hit a doe, she scampered off into the woods i proceed to follow the blood trail and she appeared to enter a cordoned off area in the forest, there was a couple of large sections in the fencing that was missing, i pressed on through this unknown territory, which i now realize is an abandoned chemical dump site for an old paper mill, god knows what chemicals are in there. anyways what i discover next is shocking on the side of this man made mound roughly 40ft high and 2-300 feet around, leaking out is a rather putrid crimson-red chemical out of the soil this stream of cancer is spewing into a stream which leads into a river nearby about a quarter of a mile. The area seems to be forgotten about maybe on purpose. overgrown roads, crumbled concrete structures, old rust equipment and so on.

i did some research on this site and it was owned by International Paper, they have a lot of money-power and could probably make me dissapear and for obvious reasons i want to keep this anonymous.

I will attempt to get back onto the property and get some photos.

any chemists out there want to try to take a stab at Identifying the chemical?

Coordinates

google maps

43.244421,-73.799071

reply to post by Craninalbliss


Make sure you get pictures too. I don't know much about paper mills but I remember that paper processing uses lots of nasty chemicals. I'm definitely going to keep an eye on this topic.

Be safe.

Get hold of someone from a local environmental group, they will follow up on it and will get the testing done. You could get in trouble for trespassing so I wouldn't go to the cops.

Star and flag. I find this quite interesting and wish I could help, but alas, I barely pulled a D in high school chemistry...

I admire you for your efforts and I hope you will find someone who is able to help you with this, and that you will let us know what you find out.

Be careful sneaking around out there and best of luck!

I just wanna bump this so it gets the attention it deserves...I really hope someone with acess to a spectrometer can analize this and maybe with actual evidence in hand the local media will pick it up.

Yes, first and foremost, be safe and don't get caught! Also, you may want to look in the trees for camera's and the like. It may appear abandoned, but that doesn't mean someone isn't keeping an eye on it!.

Really hope you can get some pictures.

Google map link to the site its the larger open section on the bottom

maps.google.com...,-73.80141&spn=0.010457,0.013261&t=h&z=16

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for some reason i can get the link to work?

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bumping this up...keep safe...sounds like you stumbled onto something that could be really bad, going into the river from that place.....like the other poster said, paper mills have a lot of bad run off

here is a small bit about that

Water pollution[edit]
Waste water discharges for a pulp and paper mill contains solids, nutrients and dissolved organic matter such as lignin. It also contains alcohols, and chelating agents and inorganic materials like chlorates and transition metal compounds. Nutrients such as nitrogen and phosphorus can cause or exacerbate eutrophication of fresh water bodies such as lakes and rivers. Organic matter dissolved in fresh water, measured by Biological Oxygen Demand (BOD), changes ecological characteristics, and in worst case scenarios leads to death of all higher living organisms. Waste water may also be polluted with organochlorine compounds. Some of these are naturally occurring in the wood, but chlorine bleaching of the pulp produces far larger amounts.[10]

Recycling the effluent (see black liquor) and burning it, using bioremediation ponds and employing less damaging agents in the pulping and bleaching processes can help reduce water pollution.
Discharges can also discolour the water leading to reduced aesthetics. This has happened with the Tarawera River in New Zealand which subsequently became known as the "black drain".[11][12]
Waste[edit]

en.wikipedia.org...

In hind-site i am really not sure if i should take the risk on eating that deer meat.

Craninalbliss
In hind-site i am really not sure if i should take the risk on eating that deer meat.

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You should have the meat tested along with the water.

Craninalbliss
they have a lot of money-power and could probably make me dissapear and for obvious reasons i want to keep this anonymous.

anonymous?

money-power+coordinates+IP address+ATS ≠ anonymity

good luck

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what if I was in a public library a whole state away and using their free wifi and my linux comp?

Craninalbliss
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what if I was in a public library a whole state away and using their free wifi and my linux comp?

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edit on 21-11-2013 by Craninalbliss because: (no reason given)

sure, so long as you've never used this screen name at your own place, ever

what if you never thought about being anonymous until it was too late/no longer possible

anyway, i'm sure nothing will go wrong

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As far as having this tested, Do you have any kids in school? Maybe high school, where you could tell the chemistry teacher your teaching your child about the local rivers and streams, and have them do it in class? Or maybe a college near by, you could talk to someone there?

is this the place?



And there's something a google search turned up.


www.saratogian.com...

For a few years ,I took care of a paper mill's elevators.

It's freaking nasty,to say the least. What ever they used would eat the paint of of my truck, even after going through the big truck wash they had as you left the plant.

Here are the chemicals they use....

www.paperonweb.com...

I would report it to the EPA and hopefully something will be done about it.

www.epa.gov...

Then I would go to your local news agency and report it to them.

Good luck!!!

Peace,
K

And no need to be worried about anything, you were out hunting and followed your kill. Just be honest. You people are too paranoid sometimes.

Dude I live in Oneonta. You want some help with this, u2u me. I'll help you get the samples. Also a hunter. Are you talking about somewhere on Franklin mountain?

i can probably provide you with a little interpretation of what might be happening if you can give me enough detail to work with. I live in Australia so i cant test anything for you, but im an environmental scientist who specialises in contaminated land, i do a lot of site soil and water and historical investigations, i can tell you what to look for and how to go about it if you want,

just message me