What the Government Knows and Why - my Take

Hi,

I've had a desire to write this building up for the past few days.
I imagine that it will be another post that flies in the face of
the conventional wisdom, and various people might be prone
to tell me how aliens number 1 in 5 people, that huge fleets
of UFO's exist all over the place, and all manner of pretty
incredible things. Well of course I'm the pot calling the kettle
black. But there is ONE difference in my 'madness'. I make
one precise observation about the one cause of the great
majority of both UFO and paranormal activity and that
explains everything.

The phrase "kernel of truth" has been used by various
folks. I'd say that the following is the kernel of truth:

1) There have been numerous radar contacts with 'something'
that acts intelligently and 'against the laws of physics, but
which can't be shot down, caught up with or proven.

2) It has been frequently noted that 'UFOs' were very interested
in nuclear testing, nuclear missile sites, etc. I'm saying this is
true, but that the 'aliens in question' don't necessarily have
nuclear technology themselves and are fascinated by it. I'm also
saying that the 'aliens in question' we have experience with here
on Earth are actually 'supranatural entities" (not supernatural
as the laws of physics are in effect), who can sometimes solidify
into what we call material form, but this is not their native state.
They in fact are a result of parasitization of 'spiritual energies'
that they lack, and they are feeding on the human race. These
entities do not in fact like human bodies as they don't make good
hosts for them as they age and die. That "the aliens in question
are spurring on OUR TECH to reach the point where we can build
android bodies for them. I'm saying that the Military knows this
fact, and that's why they scarcely care about UFO reports anymore;
they know it's not real physical craft and that the 'aliens in question'
want to steal our tech and prompt us to advance our tech as they
want it but don't have it.

3) The government knows that "the aliens in question" are occult
in nature, and some government agencies and 'dark groups' cooperate
with them to gain supranatural power; as one of these alien parasites
can bestow 'psychic powers'. Other government agencies and power
blocks want nothing to do with them, and in fact have found limited
ways to shield them out and avoid them.

4) Above average psychics such as Ingo Swann were used for remote
viewing purposes and achieved statistically significant results and
some 'creepy' phenomenon' from time to time. This wet the appetite
of the government for a long time.. and in fact there are government
groups and 'dark factions' who seek to find exceptional individuals
for experimentation; either for their own psychic abilities, and
hopefully to find technology to enhance these fledgling abilities
(as these groups believe in these abilities), either for their own
sake, or because they feel vulnerable to the occult aliens. I think
this still goes on, but it's way underground now.. due to mocking
and erratic results.

5) Weak psychokinetic effects and weak temporal effects have
been proven via meta-analysis such as PEAR
and the work of Dean Radin. There are probably
government studies that produced superior results; the studies
I have mentioned convince me and many others, but are controversial.


6) In my opinion there has never once in the history of the world
been 'true' physical UFO craft that has been recovered and certainly
not reverse engineered. I'd say that humans are in fact more
technologically orientated than most alien spaces in our galactic
neighborhood due to many fortunate circumstances and evolutionary
quirks. Likewise no physical bodies of aliens.. or any bodies recovered
were not made of normal matter and faded away not decomposed.

7) The government and the PTB try all sorts of crap to control the
world and use humans as lab rats, either for their own use, or
in conjunction with parasitic alien masters. However nothing like
the illuminati, either good or bad currently exists; the bad guys
aren't really that organized, other than certain rich families in
power and their mundane power/money domination games.

8) No planetary shift, alignment of the stars, or 'good aliens' or
'good entities' are going to come in and save us. Humans are
assholes as a species and are destroying all life on Earth
its the Anthropocene Extinction Event
A few 'good guys' roam around, but certainly no Christs or Buddhas..
just a few second stringers who try their best to help. The
way of life in the Universe is that species either survive or
go extinct, and seldom if ever does anyone help them survive.
This has been attempted in the past and it never goes well.

9) Since we are destroying ourselves and nobody will save us
but ourselves, (this is commonly known by much of the
government agencies and 'dark groups'. Really anyone with
some smarts might find this obvious, if they think
even a little), various groups are building survivalist
type facilities, including some deep underground military
bases. Also since the huge numbers of humans are escalating
environmental destruction, climate change, and resource
depletion and are in effect not 'transferring much wealth
to the 1% anymore), there are certainly plans in existence
to eradicate 90% of the Earth's population when it can
safely be done. It would have already been done, via
a global virus, but the 1% don't have a foolproof vaccine
and are concerned about the virus mutating. Nanotechnology
is the current darling, but again, there is fear it will get out
of control something like in Grey Goo

10) It's possible that real-space aliens have contacted us; but
I don't find that likely; I think that the creepy crawlies that
we have helped create and make so powerful (the Ra Collective)
keeps any 'real aliens' with 'real physical bodies' away from us;
we are in fact an 'infested planet'. I think it may even be common
knowledge in some quarters, that we are in fact sunk in a 'subspace
pot hole' and most of the reason for our misery is our love of making
false gods stronger (through monotheism and other religions). We
are in fact 'stuck' in this pothole with the occult monsters that we
have created ourselves. We in fact 'live in the movie' (metaphor)
Forbidden Planet.
It's interesting to Note that Michael Aquino admitted his fascination
with that movie in one of his two threads. I think that a lot of people
in the government and 'dark groups' have that movie as a standard
'welcome to the truth' packet.

There's more to say, but that's the 'kernel of truth' in my opinion.
Not very glamorous or exciting, I know.

KPB

I tend to agree with about 85% of that. And, you're welcome.

KellyPrettyBear

1) There have been numerous radar contacts with 'something'
that acts intelligently and 'against the laws of physics, but
which can't be shot down, caught up with or proven.

what do you mean by 'acts intelligently'?

plasma / uap exhibit all the characteristics which seem otherworldly

reply to post by mcrom901


That's true. I'm not disputing your observation; I'm certain
that it occurs with some frequency.

I realize that I'm trying to characterize 5000 years of UFO
sightings (once called angels, demons, spirits) with one
paragraph that I can't provide a good reference for.
It would take me years to distil all the reports down,
and that wouldn't prove anything.

The GUT
I tend to agree with about 85% of that. And, you're welcome.

edit on 21-11-2013 by The GUT because: (no reason given)

So what did you do before you met your UFO soul mate?

KPB

LOL! I had to build one first. Touche. J/K.

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


i understand what you're saying... but there are several hotspots where the phenomenon is being observed by scientists on regular basis... back in the 60's the plasma hypothesis was being dismissed due to our limited understanding that the phenomenon couldn't last for such prolonged periods... but recurrent observations in hessdalen has shown that such earth lights can 'live' for more than an hour... mind you, people in thailand believe that similar fireballs are produced by a snake... en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


Star and Flag!

I can fully see that as a possibility!

However I am more of the opinion that "As above, So below" holds true and therefor this weird phenomena are macrosized BOSONS aka force carriers just like photons ... and that I am in a hall of dimensional mirrors.

Descartes "Cogito Ergo Sum" shows that I can only prove myself to me and that everything else is illusory.

Keep your friends close and keep your enemies closer and as there is no one closer than myself to me then I must be the only enemy.

Who is in charge again? And why should I be scared of my own 10dimensional shadow.

These being are probably our ancestors who have worked out the best bodies for souls to have and we can help make that happen.

It well be heavenly and it will also be hellish.

The main thing ..is that it will be REAL. Heaven and Hell on Earth Literally via technology forever.

Quantum computers = Omniscient in at 300qubits or bigger they can simulate anything and anyone fully and map that.

Nanotechnology and 3d printing = Omnipotent in that can print humans WITH memories based on a simulated map making escape from reality via death impossible.

And if we fail ... we grey goo ourselves!

How is that for a dilema?

reply to post by mcrom901

Bohm and others have suggested that plasmas can at least mimic lifeforms as I know you know. On tablet or I would post that link. Good to see you here!

mcrom901
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

 

i understand what you're saying... but there are several hotspots where the phenomenon is being observed by scientists on regular basis... back in the 60's the plasma hypothesis was being dismissed due to our limited understanding that the phenomenon couldn't last for such prolonged periods... but recurrent observations in hessdalen has shown that such earth lights can 'live' for more than an hour... mind you, people in thailand believe that the similar fireballs are produced by a snake... en.wikipedia.org...

Listen .. I've done the research too... you are RIGHT. Now stop
arguing with me.. I'm AGREEING with you. The only thing I'm
saying is that plasmas don't explain all occurrences. For example
fighter jets don't dog fight with a plasma for 1 hour making
erratic high speed turns across hundreds of miles. I'm pretty
certain I've read a number of reports like this.. And plasmas
don't make geometric course corrections on radar.

I don't know if you read my earlier 'skeptic post', but I'm only
trying to explain something like 2-5% of the unknowns with
supranatural occurrences.

Who says these lifeforms can't have plasma/EM bodies or at least co-opt these energies?

reply to post by TripleLindy


People think that I'm this massive occultist. I'm NOT.
I ARE A PRETTY BEAR. I'm more a rationalist with
a background in 30 fields of thought than anything.

But I have spent 52 years with 'the spiritual'. It's
real. I know a lot about it. A ton about it. And
I'm not particularly delusional. As I say, "its
all particle physics'.

Are these dark matter / dark energy versions
of ourselves from other quantum realities
or some such thing? Sure, why not! Who
knows the exact science --- but it's science.

Now it's the disreputable, unproven, dark
underbelly of science.. but it's science.

I'm not ashamed of mysticism.. not if it
is a RATIONAL mysticism. It has it's place.
Sometimes mystics intuit things centuries
ahead of science. But of course they
can't prove anything.

Now, is the entire universe one thought
and science is just a 'pattern' in it?
Sure, why not!

Now, is the entire universe an eternal
gloop of atoms and the void and a few
extra dimensions and it recycles itself
into fanciful forms, including 'mind'?
Sure, why not!

I don't get hung up on labels.

Thanks for replying.

KPB

Hard to sort the facts from great volumes of existing fiction.

I would not dispute that your lead in paragraph is a 100% fact. UFOs exist, they have been seen, they have been detected, and when they go ... they leave no tangible proof to fill the hand as evidence. I'm also gonna go way out on a limb here and state that governments only feign disinterest in the subject.

Mostly tongue-in-cheek: If the 1%ers wipe us out, they'll have no one to hate on and go after, but themselves. You mentioned 'exceptional individuals' and I think the 1%ers know they can find a lot more needles in haystacks of scale, as they themselves are hardly exceptional at all. They are exceptionally in-the-know, and masters of the game, but I'd like to see them alone manage a crop failure. I don't think mankind has much to worry about as a whole ... let's just not piss 'em off, okay?

Yours is one of the best posts I've seen in a great long while and I'm looking forward to seeing this thread mature. S&F

reply to post by The GUT


cheers matey, good to see you too... and thanks for bringing that up, which i have no arguments against

re the 'intelligent' aspect here are some interesting observations re the photo-reactive nature of the ionized plasma to laser light...

www.hessdalen.org...

imo the cause and affect scenario shouldn't be translated to mean anything based on our limited perspective... the same goes for the em affects which are quite 'natural' and not 'intelligently intentional'

Snarl
Hard to sort the facts from pure fiction.

I would not dispute that your lead in paragraph is a 100% fact. UFOs exist, they have been seen, they have been detected, and when they go ... they leave no tangible proof to fill the hand as evidence. I'm also gonna go way out on a limb here and state that governments only feign disinterest in the subject.

Mostly tongue-in-cheek: If the 1%ers wipe us out, they'll have no one to hate on and go after, but themselves. You mentioned 'exceptional individuals' and I think the 1%ers know they can find a lot more needles in haystacks of scale, as they themselves are hardly exceptional at all. They are exceptionally in-the-know, and masters of the game, but I'd like to see them alone manage a crop failure. I don't think mankind has much to worry about as a whole ... let's just not piss 'em off, okay?

Yours is one of the best posts I've seen in a great long while and I'm looking forward to seeing this thread mature. S&F

Hard to sort the facts from pure fiction.

Hard to sort the facts from pure fiction.

It sure is brother! A truer thing has never been said.

Ultimately if you push far enough, everything seems like
pure chaos and insanity.. but (and this is one of my
favorite sayings) :

"We are creatures that have evolved in
the middle ground between absolute certainty and
absolute uncertainty. We crave both scenarios, but
we won't mature as a species, until we learn to live
happily with ourselves and others, as citizens of
both worlds."

KPB

KellyPrettyBear

mcrom901
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

 

i understand what you're saying... but there are several hotspots where the phenomenon is being observed by scientists on regular basis... back in the 60's the plasma hypothesis was being dismissed due to our limited understanding that the phenomenon couldn't last for such prolonged periods... but recurrent observations in hessdalen has shown that such earth lights can 'live' for more than an hour... mind you, people in thailand believe that the similar fireballs are produced by a snake... en.wikipedia.org...

Listen .. I've done the research too... you are RIGHT. Now stop
arguing with me.. I'm AGREEING with you. The only thing I'm
saying is that plasmas don't explain all occurrences. For example
fighter jets don't dog fight with a plasma for 1 hour making
erratic high speed turns across hundreds of miles. I'm pretty
certain I've read a number of reports like this.. And plasmas
don't make geometric course corrections on radar.

I don't know if you read my earlier 'skeptic post', but I'm only
trying to explain something like 2-5% of the unknowns with
supranatural occurrences.

no worries, we're discussing about the subject... re dog fights, i haven't seen any data which suggests this... jets have been scrambled, yes, but were chasing ghosts basically and the erratic movements of the 'lights' don't necessarily have to be translated as evasive... i don't know what you mean by 'geometric course corrections'... i haven't seen your other thread, cheers

mcrom901
re the 'intelligent' aspect here are some interesting observations re the photo-reactive nature of the ionized plasma to laser light...

www.hessdalen.org...

Yeah, Hessdalen has proven to be very scientifically illuminating---pun intended.

Project Identification--the largest and most scientific public field study of the phenomenon--except maybe Hessdalen now not sure--gets little press in ufology. Plasmas and "psuedo-stars" were also identified and even filmed.

“Unbiased, disinterested physical scientists usually measure the properties of inanimate matter. Biological, medical, and behavioral scientists, on the other hand, study intelligences less than or equal to their own. In this Project, we dealt with an intelligence equal to or greater than that of man. We interacted with the phenomenon under study.”

~ Dr. Harley Rutledge, Chairman of the Physics Department, SE Missouri State University

In 1966, Harley Rutledge completed his Ph.D. in solid state physics at the University of Missouri. He subsequently took the position of Professor and Chairman of the Physics Department at Southeast Missouri State University. He was Department Chairman from 1964 to 1982 and retired from teaching in 1992.

en.wikipedia.org...

Challenged to explain sightings of unidentified lights and luminous phenomena in the sky around Piedmont, Missouri, Dr. Harley Rutledge decided to subject these reports to scientific analysis. He put together a team of observers with college training in the physical sciences, including a large array of equipment: RF spectrum analyzers, Questar telescopes, low-high frequency audio detectors, electromagnetic frequency analyzer, cameras, and a galvanometer to measure variations in the Earth's gravitational field.

The resulting Project Identification commenced in April 1973, logging several hundred hours of observation time. This was the first UFO scientific field study, able to monitor the phenomena in real-time, enabling Rutledge to calculate the objects' actual velocity, course, position, distance, and size.

en.wikipedia.org...

Observation of the unclouded night sky often revealed "pseudostars" - stationary lights camouflaged by familiar constellations. Some objects appeared to mimic the appearance of known aircraft; others violated the laws of physics. The most startling discovery was that on at least 32 recorded occasions, the movement of the lights synchronized with actions of the observers.

They appeared to respond to a light being switched on and off, and to verbal or radio messages. The final results of this project were documented in the 1981 book, Project Identification: The first Scientific Study of UFO Phenomena.

en.wikipedia.org...

While he was generally noncommittal on the nature of the UFOs his team recorded, Rutledge did relate that the discs and lights observed in the daylight by the teams were plasmas. In his summary he wrote, "The plasma balls seen in daylight certainly suggest remote control."

www.mysterious-america.net...

Project Identification: Ufology's Red-Headed Stepchild

reply to post by The GUT


thanks for mentioning about project identification, i'm not much familiar with it... will need to research it, can't find anything in the scientific literature though... his book is referenced in that wiki article... www.scribd.com...


eta...

i'm looking for the following paper...

adsabs.harvard.edu...

understand that it's related to the spooksville's ghost lights and the marfa lights...

I'm also
saying that the 'aliens in question' we have experience with here
on Earth are actually 'supranatural entities" (not supernatural
as the laws of physics are in effect), who can sometimes solidify
into what we call material form, but this is not their native state.
They in fact are a result of parasitization of 'spiritual energies'
that they lack, and they are feeding on the human race. These
entities do not in fact like human bodies as they don't make good
hosts for them as they age and die.

That "the aliens in question
are spurring on OUR TECH to reach the point where we can build
android bodies for them. I'm saying that the Military knows this
fact, and that's why they scarcely care about UFO reports anymore;
they know it's not real physical craft and that the 'aliens in question'
want to steal our tech and prompt us to advance our tech as they
want it but don't have it.



Let's start with this. To begin with, I tend to agree with your assessments of things, we must be onto something similar. I believe the aliens are actually extra-dimensional. I have a friend who can see them, and she also sees ghosts, and what she calls "energy vampires."

At any rate, I have asked her questions about the behavior of the Grey aliens and she reports that there are shorter ones that do tasks, and there are taller ones that have creativity and she says pair up (which goes against my theory that the Greys are a Matriarchy and have very similar social protocols to ants, although I still think this is the case).

Although she has been told a lot from extra-dimensional entities that collaborate on what you are saying - to begin with, from our conversations, I gather that the Grey aliens are very spatial but have no life force and are unable to lose entropy.

That means that they have to steal that life energy from other people - abductions would be astral and it would make perfect sense if they involved dream paralysis. I don't think the aliens want to harm when they abduct, although they are interested in leeching off emotions and life energy, kind of like a drug, like similar to coc aine - although also necessary for them, too. Creative energy.

Also - my friend specifically stated they do not like living in human form. And she mentioned being told about the 5th Buddha, or maybe 6th, anyway it was a temple where if you go there, you get trapped - I explained to her that was because there would be no temporal flow, and that there would be no way out - as there would be no way to generate a plan of action to escape. That is the danger of becoming too at peace.

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Okay. This is going to be a bit of a jump - let me know if you get it. The Grey aliens, being spatial, would be more likely to use networking and psychic abilities. In addition, they would be highly likely to use visual thinking.

That's where I got the idea for my thread that the visual operating systems and the internet (a network) in use today were derived from Grey culture, and not human culture.

We have been developing drones and things of that nature, recently, that would be vulnerable to hackers. If the Grey aliens were somehow able to access our computer networks, they would be able to easily navigate them and take over the drones, and they would much prefer a mechanical body than a human host -

KellyPrettyBear

3) The government knows that "the aliens in question" are occult
in nature, and some government agencies and 'dark groups' cooperate
with them to gain supranatural power; as one of these alien parasites
can bestow 'psychic powers'. Other government agencies and power
blocks want nothing to do with them, and in fact have found limited
ways to shield them out and avoid them.

4) Above average psychics such as Ingo Swann were used for remote
viewing purposes and achieved statistically significant results and
some 'creepy' phenomenon' from time to time. This wet the appetite
of the government for a long time.. and in fact there are government
groups and 'dark factions' who seek to find exceptional individuals
for experimentation; either for their own psychic abilities, and
hopefully to find technology to enhance these fledgling abilities
(as these groups believe in these abilities), either for their own
sake, or because they feel vulnerable to the occult aliens. I think
this still goes on, but it's way underground now.. due to mocking
and erratic results.

I think that the Grey aliens are definitely part of the occult, in fact, I think that they may have been behind the Nazi regime. I think there are different classifications of supernatural entities, of which the Grey is definitely one, and parasitic in nature - although as you said, they could give information out to someone in order to promote their agenda.

I ran into who I think was a handler for remote viewing on here once, and we talked about it in depth, the remote viewing program seems to have been fully functional and possibly still is. I don't know if that technology was directly taken from Greys, or if it originated in Native shamans or Buddhists, but I think it has developed to a pretty professional and accurate level.

I am not sure if U.S. government agencies incorporate astral agents into their hierarchies as part of protocol, but I know that some agents happen to utilize astral capabilities.