Electric Comet ISON - Revealed

reply to post by HumAnnunaki

www.abovetopsecret.com...
This is not about fear - it is about a 'message'.
False Expectations Appearing Real.

Probably best not to mix our Thread/Forum premises, eh.

Keep in mind this is the Space Ex Forum.

reply to post by HumAnnunaki

So in sense, we are being told the fragments of ISON can only be detected under Infra/Red telescope;

You need to adjust your theory.

UV light that hits these creepy crawlies gets converted by proteins in their exoskeletons into light of a blue hue, which is visible to the human eye

www.livescience.com...

That's just one reason.

Jbird
reply to post by HumAnnunaki

 

www.abovetopsecret.com...
This is not about fear - it is about a 'message'.
False Expectations Appearing Real.

Probably best not to mix our Thread/Forum premises, eh.

Keep in mind this is the Space Ex Forum.

Yes, I know.. and I thank you!

For clarity sake - I was answering the question so many have asked;
'WHY' if ISON is still there can't it be seen!?!

...and the False Expectations Appearing Real (FEAR) is a statement AGAINST
the thread being about fear..or doom.
The 'ISON Speaks' thread is about a message

DenyObfuscation
reply to post by HumAnnunaki

 

So in sense, we are being told the fragments of ISON can only be detected under Infra/Red telescope;

You need to adjust your theory.

UV light that hits these creepy crawlies gets converted by proteins in their exoskeletons into light of a blue hue, which is visible to the human eye

www.livescience.com...

That's just one reason.

Thank you D for pointing that out.. and from the LINK you posted, I reply -

As if scorpions weren't frightening enough, when illuminated by ultraviolet rays from a black light, the armored arachnids glow an unnatural neon blue. UV light that hits these creepy crawlies gets converted by proteins in their exoskeletons into light of a blue hue, which is visible to the human eye.

..and this -

the question of why scorpions glow under UV light

Nothing wrong with my 'theory'

Back to you sir...

reply to post by HumAnnunaki

Back to you sir

You can hit the ball against the wall by yourself if you'd like but the game is over.

You lost.

Ir scopes not necessary to see visible light.

reply to post by DenyObfuscation


Sorry sir -

You misread the link you posted.

Also from the link you posted..and I thank you for your inadvertent help!

By patrolling the house with a black light, you can easily find and kill them.

Clearly, it states it's ONLY under UV light that they can be seen!!!

Sorry you don't like ball - I was under the impression it was a national pastime..?

Good luck to ALL, and be kind to one another!

HumAnnunaki

Jbird
reply to post by HumAnnunaki

 

www.abovetopsecret.com...
This is not about fear - it is about a 'message'.
False Expectations Appearing Real.

Probably best not to mix our Thread/Forum premises, eh.

Keep in mind this is the Space Ex Forum.

Yes, I know.. and I thank you!

For clarity sake - I was answering the question so many have asked;
'WHY' if ISON is still there can't it be seen!?!

...and the False Expectations Appearing Real (FEAR) is a statement AGAINST
the thread being about fear..or doom.
The 'ISON Speaks' thread is about a message

What you have just done is the equivalent of me saying that I have have proof Fairies exist because Goblins told me. Good work.

reply to post by Flaunt


Thank you -

My next quest was in search of Goblins and Fairies,
just as soon as I find Santa and the Easter Bunny!

Would you be available to help...? (please)

I have no problem with a fundamental discussion,
but seriously peeps - insults..?

Are we raising our children like this? (damn)

To this I say (for Tallone) UMMA GUMMA !!!

reply to post by HumAnnunaki


I'm afraid you are going to have to do better than linking a thread of your own in Skunk Works with your own (sorry...it's not even a "theory" nor even a "hypothisis") wild speculation on what some crop circles are saying, to prove that C/2012 S1 (ISON) can not be seen in visible light.

This is the Space Exploration forum. Not Skunk Works (High Speculation).

Now, I'll ask again:

Can you provide documented scientific proof that C/2012 S1 (ISON) can only be seen in the infrared spectrum? Especially after it has been photographed countless times since it's discovery all the way up until after it went around the sun?

Can you form a scientific theory (this means you have actual documented supporting evidence) that shows why C/2012 S1 (ISON) (or any major debris) would suddenly stop reflecting light from the visible spectrum, and only emit light in the infrared spectrum?

Can you form a scientific theory ( again with documented supporting evidence) show how a comet (or it's remains) can possibly not reflect visible light, but only either reflect infrared or emit infrared?

eriktheawful

Now, I'll ask again:

Can you provide documented scientific proof that C/2012 S1 (ISON) can only be seen in the infrared spectrum? Especially after it has been photographed countless times since it's discovery all the way up until after it went around the sun?

The topic I replied to was again -Why can't ISON be seen if it is
still partially there AFTER perihelion!

...and NO, I have NO OTHER proof...do you have proof to say otherwise..?
(hope all is having as much fun as I)

reply to post by HumAnnunaki

Clearly, it states it's ONLY under UV light that they can be seen!!!

Clearly your presumptuousness has caused you to overlook something as simple as a flashlight.

ETA: Nowhere does it state ONLY under UV. That's absurd. Scorpions are not invisible in visible light.

HumAnnunaki

eriktheawful

Now, I'll ask again:

Can you provide documented scientific proof that C/2012 S1 (ISON) can only be seen in the infrared spectrum? Especially after it has been photographed countless times since it's discovery all the way up until after it went around the sun?

The topic I replied to was again -Why can't ISON be seen if it is
still partially there AFTER perihelion!

...and NO, I have NO OTHER proof...do you have proof to say otherwise..?

(hope all is having as much fun as I)

That is not the topic of this thread. Your posts are derailing it, and you are cross posting to your own thread in Skunk Works.

Please contribute to the actual topic of the thread (ISON and EU Theory).

Not high speculation about crop circles.

DenyObfuscation
reply to post by HumAnnunaki

 

Clearly, it states it's ONLY under UV light that they can be seen!!!

Clearly your presumptuousness has caused you to overlook something as simple as a flashlight.

Is that Peter Gabriel shocking the monkey?

Please go back and read the link that YOU posted..

It said "BLACK LIGHT" not "FLASHLIGHT"

Damn - Shock the Monkey - good song but I prefer
the Rolling Stones -"Monkey Man".

wildespace
If ISON, according to EC, is a large solid object like an asteroid, and has survived perihelion, surely it would be possible to detect it in a decent amateur telescope.

Eric - again I post the question Wildespace asked - the very question
my answer was referencing!

Are we not allowed to answer other posters questions, as it did seem to be
a question many have asked and my intention was not to derail,
just to answer a simple question!
(which turned out to be fundamentally flawed by many on this thread)

Also, cross referencing this thread and my own -
This thread is about ISON ..as is mine about ISON
and so there is a thin connection.

Now, as long as there are no other questions -
I will leave this thread...
Again - be good to each other!

OK, everyone friends again ?


Back on Topic.....



Electric Comet ISON - Revealed

reply to post by eriktheawful


But unless those materials ignited into plasma, you still would not see them.

Those materials would not be able to reflect sunlight, they would not be visible.

Only plasmas explain how the tail is visible.

poet1b
reply to post by eriktheawful

 

But unless those materials ignited into plasma, you still would not see them.

Those materials would not be able to reflect sunlight, they would not be visible.

Only plasmas explain how the tail is visible.

Most of the gases would not be seen, you are correct.

However, any other solid material (dust, grains of fractured rocks, etc) covering the surface and or mixed in (that's what conglomerate means) will reflect sunlight and be seen. Material in a comet is not going to be separate in nice divided sections of pure material. A lot of it is going to be a mixed up jumble.

Those materials that are not volital will reflect sunlight, even if they are as diffused as any gas, and because they are so diffused, will cover a great area making them reflect a LOT of sunlight together.

Think of how much smoke a single cigarette is able to produce. Most of the gases such as CO2 and CO are not visible, yet other materials in that smoke are. If you know anyone that smokes in their house, take a look at how much smoke that covers the room after a single cigarette is smoked. You might be surprised.

Saying "only plasma is what makes those materials visible" is rather short sighted thinking. Especially when anyone can conduct their own experiments right here on Earth and show that sublimating materials, even when a invisible gas, are mixed with other materials that are visible, can release what appears to be a "visible diffusion" that light will reflect off of.

And Plasma has nothing to do with it.

Get some Dry Ice. It sublimates at room temps of course. Carbon Dioxide is colorless. you can't see it. Yet watching the dry ice sublimate, you'll swear it looks like there is steam or smoke rising from it. That's due to the water vapor in the air trying to condense around it because of how cold the sublimating CO2 gas is.

Technically you can't see water when it's a gas. But we can see it condensing. We see this when we heat up a pot of water. We see it when we breath out warm, most CO2 from our bodies when it's cold outside. We see it when we look up in the sky at the huge clouds floating around.

Hydrogen is a colorless gas.......and makes up over 90% of Jupiter. Yet you see it. Why? Ask yourself that.

Light off a CO2 fire extinguisher.......again, CO2 is a colorless gas. Yet when we use that fire extinguisher, we think we see it as a think, billowing smoke. In reality what we are seeing is the gas expanding so quickly, there is a severe temperature drop, causing water in the air to condense quickly, giving us high visibility.

There are many reasons why something can be visible, when one would think it shouldn't be. And Plasma does not have to be the only answer.

reply to post by eriktheawful

There are many reasons why something can be visible, when one would think it shouldn't be. And Plasma does not have to be the only answer.

But, according to the EC / EU model plasma is most definitely the most likely answer!

The EC model provides the most likely solution to why a comet can be seen far beyond Jupiter, at 8 AU, that is if you wish to apply occams razor to the problem.

Otherwise you are left with volatile gases the nature of which remain indeterminate, and the ridiculous notion of a giant dirty snowball with enough sublimating molecules to last from 8 AU - right into perihelion, a comet supposedly only 3 kilometres. Anyone believing this is a precise explanation of ISON probably believes in faeries.