Electric Comet ISON - Revealed

WoW!

So much Data; like for how many years? And we all have a clue to what is going on? They do not know What's Going on so why does everybody else?

People! It's only been like 60yrs! What ever happen to the rest of Time? Just because we have Computers now, does not mean we have any data!

NASA has not compiled its data yet! They do not Frickin' Know; and we do?

God I Love ATS! Sorry to be an @ss, let's get crazy then.

Peace

reply to post by infoseeker26754


What are you talking about?

DJW001
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What are you talking about?

First it was just a comet, then a dirty snowball and now it is dust. Now that we can say a comet is not Just a dirty snowball anymore! It would seem that the understanding of a Comet, we come to find out we actually know more now then we did Before!

Yet, it goes back to the start of all this really. We still only have 10% of info on comets, now what like 12%? And lookie, 4 more to come! I like to tear stuff apart, yet with the info out there floating around. It is only maybe 15% true while the rest of it has not been turned into data yet nor would we get all of it anyways.

If Ison was kepted Low Key, just think on the others coming out way! Thats what we should be asking ourselves!

Sorry I came off as Rude on my last post though! It just seems we step on our own toes with each other and not ever get into the Unknown facts in front of us.

It's Okay to say we really do not know really! I do not know about all you out there, yet what I thought I knew about Comets just changed! Now I have to start all over really, how about you?

Peace

reply to post by Astyanax


In my country, we don't have peasants. There are people we talk about living in ivory towers, who know nothing about the real world.

The current model of physics, mainly influenced by Einstein, has no explanation what so ever about the nature of Gravity. We all know it exists, we can model it, predict how things react to gravity, but current institutional physics has absolutely no clue about what causes gravity.

In this manner modern physics fails completely. The reality is that modern physics hasn't advance very much beyond what Newton came up with four centuries ago.

infoseeker26754

First it was just a comet, then a dirty snowball and now it is dust....

Yet, it goes back to the start of all this really. We still only have 10% of info on comets, now what like 12%?

And you arrived at this conclusion how? Am I to assume you know what it takes to achieve 100% knowledge of a comet? Oh, and it's always been a comet. I don't recall it being anything else, regardless of what 'state' it was in. I'm not bashing you, it's just a really strange assumption to make.

reply to post by infoseeker26754

People! It's only been like 60yrs! What ever happen to the rest of Time? Just because we have Computers now, does not mean we have any data!

You do not need a computer to observe comets or collect data about them. We have been studying/observing them for centuries, way before NASA or computers ever existed.

First it was just a comet, then a dirty snowball and now it is dust. Now that we can say a comet is not Just a dirty snowball anymore!

It's still just a comet.

If Ison was kepted Low Key, just think on the others coming out way! Thats what we should be asking ourselves!

When was it kept 'low key'? ISON was never a secret, it was never suppressed, and the information about it has always been public via the Minor Planet Center.

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infoseeker26754
WoW!

So much Data; like for how many years? And we all have a clue to what is going on? They do not know What's Going on so why does everybody else?

People! It's only been like 60yrs! What ever happen to the rest of Time? Just because we have Computers now, does not mean we have any data!

NASA has not compiled its data yet! They do not Frickin' Know; and we do?

God I Love ATS! Sorry to be an @ss, let's get crazy then.

Peace

I reckon they have mucho data. They are just not sharing information past a certain point - there goes the dirty snowball, Oh shame it didn't make it round the sun. Pity that, move on, nothing more to see here.

I think they have compiled that data and they need to share it.

reply to post by poet1b

The current model of physics, mainly influenced by Einstein, has no explanation what so ever about the nature of Gravity. We all know it exists, we can model it, predict how things react to gravity, but current institutional physics has absolutely no clue about what causes gravity.

Actually, we know pretty definitively that gravity is essentially curved space-time. The tricky bit is getting this to synch up with quantum mechanics.

reply to post by Tallone

I reckon they have mucho data. They are just not sharing information past a certain point - there goes the dirty snowball, Oh shame it didn't make it round the sun. Pity that, move on, nothing more to see here.

I think they have compiled that data and they need to share it.

Exactly what sort of data do you imagine they have? Be specific. Remember, all of the solar observatories that tracked comet ISON have very broad band filters, which are unsuitable for spectroscopy. What, oh psychic one, do you believe they are concealing? Please be specific as to what the data is and what instruments collected it.

reply to post by DJW001

Actually, we know pretty definitively that gravity is essentially curved space-time. The tricky bit is getting this to synch up with quantum mechanics.

You mean Einsteins half arsed guess that gravity was caused by the warp in the fabric of time and space created by the mass of large bodies.

So what is the fabric of space and time but the new ether.

Now that we have been to space, what we know is that plasma is everywhere. Plasma is the fabric, space and time are the vessel in which matter exists. And why isn't Time looked at in 3 dimensions as well, past, present, and future? The past is where we have been, the present is where we are, and the future is where we are going.

The tricky bit is to get institutional science to start looking at the world that we found outside of our little bubble, and adjust theories accordingly.

Tallone
I think they have compiled that data and they need to share it.

They will: www.nasa.gov...

The Battle of Fire and Ice: New Scientific Results from Comet ISON
Time: Tuesday, 10 Dec., 1:30 p.m. PST

Scientists will report on observations of Comet ISON both before and during its closest approach to the Sun on Nov. 27-29, 2013. The comet was clearly visible in the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) and the Solar Terrestrial Relations Observatory (STEREO), and changes in brightness throughout the passage can help scientists determine what the comet was made of. The panel will share data from these results, as well as from the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO), to present a picture of ISON’s trip around the Sun, which appears to have led to its demise. The panel will also report on why ISON was not seen in images from the Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO).

Participants: Dean Pesnell, project scientist for the Solar Dynamics Observatory, NASA GoddardSpace Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md.
Karl Battams, Comet ISON Observing Campaign, Naval Research Lab, Washington, D.C.
Geraint Jones, UCL Mullard Space Science Laboratory and The Centre for Planetary Sciences, University College London, Birkbeck, United Kingdom
Alfred McEwen, principal investigator for HiRISE on MRO, Arizona State University, Tucson, Ariz.

Seems like your picture of the "nothing to see there, move along" mainstream science is wrong. They are researching, and they are anouncing.

reply to post by vind21


Excellent stuff, clearly you know what you are posting about.

That comet Hale-Bopp appeared so large in the sky, when its mass was so tiny, greatly enforces the idea that what we are seeing with comets is large plasma formations as comets enters our solar system.

link.springer.com...-1

If one were to consider that the mass of the come drags the fabric of time and space/Plasma into the solar system, then more possibilities open up. Essentially, the comet drags long filaments of plasma behind it. The filaments grow as the comet approaches the sun, and it could be that these filament pull on the filamentary structures around the sun, which causes the sun to re-act.

Link on Plasma filaments.

www.icr.org...

poet1b
And why isn't Time looked at in 3 dimensions as well, past, present, and future? The past is where we have been, the present is where we are, and the future is where we are going.

That's not 3d, that's a single linear dimension, like moving along a piece of string (and we can't even move back in time). Multi-dimensional time would imply branching off into a different temporal dimension that exists at the right angle to the time line (i.e. happens at a single instant on our time line). It's called imaginary time (on the par with imaginary numbers on the complex number plane) and would hypothetically exist for an object travelling faster than the speed of light. This is because the equation for relativistic time dilation uses the square root of a variable that decreases to zero when you reach light speed, and goes negative when you (hypothetically) excede it. Imaginary time is also derived from quantum mechanics, although it's too complicated for me. en.wikipedia.org...

poet1b
That comet Hale-Bopp appeared so large in the sky, when its mass was so tiny...

Tiny??? Hale-Bopp was 60±20 kilometres in diameter, approximately six times the size of Halley. To my knowledge, it's the largest comet we've ever seen.
ssd.jpl.nasa.gov...
link.springer.com...

If one were to consider that the mass of the come drags the fabric of time and space/Plasma into the solar system, then more possibilities open up. Essentially, the comet drags long filaments of plasma behind it.

Why could a comet (or any other body) drag space-time or plasma behind it? Plasma in space is almost pure vacuum.

reply to post by wildespace


In theory, time is a single linear dimension, but as we experience time, it clearly is not. We certainly have not proven that time travel is possible.

While it has been found that time reported by our best clocks indicated a time drift at higher speeds, the mechanics of how this works has not been established. Nor has it been proven that if the speed of light is exceeded, time reverses. Most likely, only the matter moving faster than the speed of light could go backwards in time, but would anything that traveled back in time be capable of interacting with the past?

I think that the probability is that the barrier of the present, between the past and the future is more solid than the speed of light barrier.

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wildespace

Tallone
I think they have compiled that data and they need to share it.

They will: www.nasa.gov...

The Battle of Fire and Ice: New Scientific Results from Comet ISON
Time: Tuesday, 10 Dec., 1:30 p.m. PST

Scientists will report on observations of Comet ISON both before and during its closest approach to the Sun on Nov. 27-29, 2013. The comet was clearly visible in the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) and the Solar Terrestrial Relations Observatory (STEREO), and changes in brightness throughout the passage can help scientists determine what the comet was made of. The panel will share data from these results, as well as from the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO), to present a picture of ISON’s trip around the Sun, which appears to have led to its demise. The panel will also report on why ISON was not seen in images from the Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO).

Participants: Dean Pesnell, project scientist for the Solar Dynamics Observatory, NASA GoddardSpace Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md.
Karl Battams, Comet ISON Observing Campaign, Naval Research Lab, Washington, D.C.
Geraint Jones, UCL Mullard Space Science Laboratory and The Centre for Planetary Sciences, University College London, Birkbeck, United Kingdom
Alfred McEwen, principal investigator for HiRISE on MRO, Arizona State University, Tucson, Ariz.

Seems like your picture of the "nothing to see there, move along" mainstream science is wrong. They are researching, and they are anouncing.

I await with barely contained anticipation. But have to say it does not look promising. That announcement already implies rather matter of factly they believe the comet is no more. I don't know when that statement came out, perhaps it came out before it became obvious there is something still there, huge and travelling along the original trajectory. Could be only pieces, could be the entire nucleus or a large part of it. The interesting thing is the V shape it now has and the lack of brightness (suggesting there is no large nucleus to hold a sufficient charge and therefore no coma).

poet1b
Link on Plasma filaments.

www.icr.org...

You're citing the Institute for Creation Research???
Unbelievable.

Do you have a source that could instead be called remotely credible?

reply to post by alfa1


It was the first link I found on plasma filaments. Didn't bother to look at the site any further. The science on plasma filaments is well established.

You can also do your own research.

On a second note, plasma science does tie in well with God. The whole concept of a soul and higher dimensions also seem to to fit into a understanding that plasma would be the state on which higher dimensions would exist.

reply to post by poet1b

You mean Einsteins half arsed guess that gravity was caused by the warp in the fabric of time and space created by the mass of large bodies.

I know! What a moron compared to you!

So what is the fabric of space and time but the new ether.

You had me going there. For a moment I thought you might actually have understood relativity. Space-time is simply a mathematical abstraction which describes phenomena.

Now that we have been to space, what we know is that plasma is everywhere. Plasma is the fabric, space and time are the vessel in which matter exists. And why isn't Time looked at in 3 dimensions as well, past, present, and future? The past is where we have been, the present is where we are, and the future is where we are going.

Now I get it! PLASMA is the new ether! (I'm not even going to try to clear up your misunderstanding of what "time" is... never mind "we!" )

The tricky bit is to get institutional science to start looking at the world that we found outside of our little bubble, and adjust theories accordingly.

You do realize that Magnetohydrodynamics (the study of plasma) is a vital and important field in "institutional science," don't you? And that none of the actual scientists who do real research in it think that it in any way replaces gravity?

Wow. How about that now.

All lined up in a row, just like skittles, and strike out.

Almost.

Problem for you all is that Comet ISON or at least a large part of it is still with us, and on the same trajectory.

You know what they say about the truth, it just wants to be free.

We are still watching.