How Does Going to Hell Look Like?

reply to post by NewAgeMan


Even though we disagree on things I would like to have a pint with you and I bet we would get on
I have a past with Revgen he has condemned me to hell a few times but he doesn't know anything about the message of Christ and that is Love.

Ahh... I get it now


He edits his posts before any mods notice... Second time today hes done that

Sly and slippery as the snake in the garden... offering rotten fruit to people that have no interest

reply to post by boymonkey74


Since you are open to the love of God in Christ, if RevGen was brought before you, would you have it in your heart to forgive him? I wonder if he could receive your forgiveness if that day ever came.

If there's one thing that I've discovered about God, aside from the fact that there is no height or depth to measure his Love for us, his children, is his unbelievably ingenious sense of humor and irony, which is absolutely certain to surprise us all, and in particular many Christians who might not have the open-mindedness and willingness and open-heartedness to even begin to understand His true ways of operating and what he asks of us.

Imagine facing God with your Bible in hand, all ready, but unable and unwilling to smile and laugh with him for all the right reasons.

Knowing God and the way he tends to operate, I might imagine RevGen getting a tour of hell and then asked about everyone there, the 97.5%, to test his mettle and see what he's really made of.. could he be persuaded to laugh at his own folly when it's revealed to him that the numbers may be reversed with the final 2.5% soon to wrap up their jail time as they at last come to their senses?

reply to post by NewAgeMan


So would you be so gracious to share how i've misinterpreted the scriptures? The 97.5% figure I have biblical support for, I didn't just make it up.

Are you denying that there is a Hell? Your name and avatar is also quite peculiar for someone claiming to be a Christian. Would you mind explaining them?

NewAgeMan
reply to post by boymonkey74
There are probably a lot of "Christians" in hell who were not able to grasp the love of God in Jesus, and who are down there "preaching" even now as we speak.

To say there are Christians in Hell gives me a strong indication that you are personally unsaved.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


No need to forgive someone who I pity.
I pity him because he doesn't understand.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


"Christian" is a matter of the heart and soul and if it contains the love of God including love of neighbor as we are loved.

Read that short story by C.S. Lewis "The Great Divorce" that i posted and you'll see that hell is only for those who refuse and reject the true love of God, so yeah, there's bound to be a lot of self-professed "Christians" in hell, and if Lewis' allegory has any validity, one could imagine them preaching "the gospel" down there until the lights go out.

Trust me, read the story, it's utterly fascinating.

We must have the heart of the Lord to get to be with him, and it reaches out to others lovingly, without any threat or condemnation.

From what I can tell you are a "dry" Christian, a purely doctrinal Christian, but the love of Christ himself isn't really in you, or your heart and your mind would have the ability to also begin to transform according to the likeness of Jesus who reached out to sinners, and who optimized them in his Love.

You'll come back at me now with supporting scripture I'm sure, but where is your heart?

I am your brother in Christ, the REAL ONE and I've been sent to tell you that your hardened, narrow doctrinal interpretation of Jesus isn't of him and doesn't line up with his nature.

You may preach in his name, and traverse the seas proselytizing in search of converts (with threats of hell and damnation), but do you really know him?

If you really knew him you would know that I am saved, and that I am a true brother in the Lord.

You ought to weep over the error of your ways RevGen, and discover the hand capable of wiping away the tears from your eyes. Then you will love boymonkey74, as I suddenly do, and see how far he's come, and rejoice for him that he recognizes the love of God in the person of Jesus, and you'll have no hard feelings towards me either.


Best Regards, and with Love,

NAM
Your brother in Jesus Christ.

Oh... I feel another one of those loving "God jokes" coming on again.. do you feel or sense it also?

RevelationGeneration

AfterInfinity
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

So what you're saying is, at least 90% of the world population is going to hell. How can you live with that kind of belief? That's basically saying you're all right with the majority of the human species being roasted alive for a thousand years - or eternity! What sort of depravity makes that okay in your mind?

edit on 21-11-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)

It's actually 97.5% and no it's not easy to accept initially, but I don't post on these forums for the fun of it. God in His grace and mercy made a way of us to escape that fate.

Yes people will be roasting in the lake of fire. No it's not politically correct or something people like to hear. Psalm 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

Get right with God today, don't wait until it's to late. You could have a heart attack and die in your sleep and be in Hell a few minutes after. Hell is an awful reality where you never want to find yourself.

Only Christians go to heaven and escape Hell.

So many already lost, no time to save them all..!

So why again did Jesus do what he did?

boymonkey74
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

No need to forgive someone who I pity.
I pity him because he doesn't understand.

Forgive me for not loving you until I noticed you talk of Jesus' love. It was an error on my part to vehemently dislike even to the point of hatred, atheists.

..oh, there's that loving laughter again in the spirit! LOL

reply to post by NewAgeMan


Still waiting for you to show me how I've misinterpreted scripture and threatened or condemned anyone?

To refuse and reject the true love of God is to reject the gospel... There is no one preaching "the gospel" in hell. Who would they be preaching to? Everyone in hell is already damned for eternity.

Doctrine is very important otherwise we fall for lies and become deceived.

God is loving, but that is only one attribute of God.

You may like to gloss over the reality of Hell but Jesus himself preached Hell more than he did Heaven!

What does that tell you? That it is important that we teach people the truth about Hell of course...

I am your brother in Christ, the REAL ONE and I've been sent to tell you that your hardened, narrow doctrinal interpretation of Jesus isn't of him and doesn't line up with his nature.

Who has sent you?

And would you mind answering why your username is "NewAgeMan" and why you have Jesus wearing a santa claus hat? I am intrigued to know...

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


Why do you have a white guy in Bling with a lion?
Ask a silly question eh?

reply to post by NewAgeMan


Lol no probs Iam no Christian but I know that his message is love and in a way I follow that message not because of any religion just because it feels right.
Iam no Atheist btw but follow my own God, or my understanding of God, I call him Bod

RevelationGeneration

And would you mind answering why your username is "NewAgeMan" and why you have Jesus wearing a santa claus hat? I am intrigued to know...

NewAgeMan is an expression of the Messianic hope and expectation of a new world and a new creation at the return of Christ in Spirit and the wedding of the Spirit and the Bride (spirit of God and man comingled). I'm a little "mad" I guess you could say. It's who I aspire to be and to become. See the last page of the Bible for more. It's a happy ending, even with death and hell thrown away, a free flow of living water freely available to all who thirst and NO tree of the knowledge of good and evil present, which is NOT the cross (as another duality) where the cross represents the (non dual) tree of life.

The santa claus hat is symbolic of the resurrection life, with red and white trimming, where Jesus' death and resurrection ritual was a reflection of the divine order, both in the rite of Spring (Passover) and in the case of the cross, coinciding with a lunar eclipse (blood red moon) on April 3rd, 33Ad, and, with the Winter Solstice (death and resurrection of the sun - three days). The full, blood red moon "over the door" (cross as divided middle of the twin pillars of Justice and Mercy of the kabbalistic tree of life) representing a full life fully lived, not a half life terminating in sorrow and suffering.

In other words, if Jesus didn't actually get "beamed straight up" until he was a tiny dot entering a cloud (although some might have had such a vision), the good life, the happy, liberated life (beyond Jerusalem) would have awaited him on the other side of the tomb, the life that he had the authority to pick up again after laying it down i.e.: heaven on earth, and the life that he freely shares with us, and saves and holds in reserve for us, both on earth and in heaven, that we might also be with him wherever he is.

How else would the elder Jesus have celebrated the Winter Solstice each year, thereafter? It would only have been appropriate for him to adorn himself with a red cloak with white trimming, to represent blood and purity, and yes I am seriously considering here that Saint Nicholas of Myra was also involved in the imitation of the resurrected Christ whether knowingly or not. That is what the hat is about. It's a symbol of transcendence over sorrow and suffering in the anticipation and inevitability of the resurrection life. I know it may be "blasphemy" to you, but it's very meaningful and symbolic, to me. The key being that Jesus transcended "the box" (of suffering) but without running away, and therefore so will we in following him. The "hat ball" also hides or disguises the future rising of the sun, of the new morning at the dawning of a new age, an age of spirit and reason and of the spirit and the bride co-mingled and consumated, giving birth to the new creation and the new heaven and earth.

Am I suggesting with the hat that Jesus is also the living Spirit of "Father Christmas"? Yes, indeed I am. So the answer is "yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus!"


Best Regards, and Merry Christmas! (oh HO! HO! HO!)

NAM aka Bob aka, Rudolf. (told you I was "mad")

Edit: For additional context and insights..

NewAgeMan
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

Check out this documentary, paying special attention to what happened on the day of the cross

NewAgeMan
The Reflecting Moon

 

With regards to the validity of the Old Testament as a foreshadowing and prophetic framework paving the way for the New Testament and the entrance into the frame by Jesus, I would like to offer another piece of data for consideration.

day of the cross

You will recall the story of Abraham's near sacrifice of Isaac on the mountain where at the last moment, Isaac was spared with a RAM found "caught up in a thicket nearby" as the real sacrifice prepared serendipitously or synchronistically in advance.

To clarify still further in terms of the celestial alignment on the day of the cross, what we see, symbolically demonstrated amounts to the same thing in the "piercing" of the "heart of the Ram" occurring synchronistically with Jesus "hour", where Jesus although obedient to the very point of death, fulfilled the prophecy, exiting the tomb, in liberation, three days later ie: where Isaac was spared at the last instant and in the story of Jonah (if as nothing but allegory), spit back out of the belly of the beast after three days "but there is something greater than Jonah here".

Among other things, the OT served as the prophetic framework for what I've come to refer to as "Jesus Christ's Superdeterministic, Cosmological Magnum Opus" the implication of which demonstrates that the historical Jesus would have had to have been a trained Magus of the highest order, which must have taken place during "the lost years" after which he re-entered Jewish society, circling Jerusalem, armed to the teeth to perform the ultimate heroic act in a spiritual war or what I call a "heart war" against wicked powers and principalities, at all levels.

It is therefore a type of practical joke told by God through Jesus at the expense of the "devil" demonstrating that God is all-good and makes no compromise with sin and evil while upholding the twin pillars of Justice and Mercy which bracket the Kabalistic Tree of Life.

reply to post by NewAgeMan

NewAgeMan

RevelationGeneration

And would you mind answering why your username is "NewAgeMan" and why you have Jesus wearing a santa claus hat? I am intrigued to know...

NewAgeMan is an expression of the Messianic hope and expectation of a new world and a new creation at the return of Christ in Spirit and the wedding of the Spirit and the Bride. I'm a little Mad

What do you mean? Jesus is a person not a Spirit and He is returning in bodily form.

I don't know what that link is about but it seems very strange to me. 2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Being "mad" is not a fruit of The Holy Spirit.

The key being that Jesus transcended "the box" but without running away, and therefore so will we. The hat ball hides or disguises the future rising of the sun, the new morning at the dawning of a new age, an age of spirit and reason and the spirit and the bride.

This type of new age rhetoric is foreign to me because it's not Biblical.

Am I suggesting that Jesus is the Spirit of "Father Christmas"?
Yes, I am. Best Regards, and Merry Christmas! (oh HO! HO! HO!) NAM aka Bob aka, Rudolf. (told you I was "mad")

Now I don't know whether your trolling or not :S But it's very worrying for someone who says they follow the Lord... You do realize Christmas has pagan roots and there is very little evidence, if any, that the man St. Nicholas actually existed? It seems to me like you worship this guy.

FlowThruSpace

How does going to hell look like?
We all know about going to Heaven and how it is supposed to happen. Not many people talk about Hell, however. If you do believe in literal Hell, how does one know one is going to Hell after death? I am talking about the transition to Hell, from the moment of death to the beginning of the punishment.

Not sure the HOW other than the unfortunate 'act of dying' (same mechanism for eternal spirit to get to the Haven/Heaven) loose the gross body mass first. I hear its whatever you believe in. If you are in fear of something (eternal fire) you will create it for yourself and 'presto chango' there you are in your own comfortableness of whatever your EXPECTATION created; bound to a rock while alive and your liver being picked out by vultures at 4:00 pm for all eternity. If you believe in pegasus and taming one; or lions lying down with the lambs you will experience it BUT SHORTTERM . Just an exercise for you to experience your own unjustified falacies regarding your belief systems. Then its back to school AGAIN (WHAT DID YOU LEARN that last life go around? NOTHING?). You have no idea how creative your mind is. Once out of body anything you like you can manifest to your whim; but only IF youre an advanced soul. The rest (being still neophytes) have to go back to school and relearn everything once again for the 200th time (guess where that takes place? On Earth as a yet another human under entirely different circumstances). The irony of this is laudable/laughable.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


See my edit, and see the end of The Revelation of John.

Jesus himself has indicated that his return will be such that no one will be able to point in any particular direction and say there he is!

It's something that is sudden, all at once and from everywhere, even coming on the clouds of the heavens as the world turns.

Also I am not the one who deals in FEAR. And when I said "mad" I was being self-deprecating and facetious, and presumed that you might take the time to see the link before casting dispersions and snap judgments.

I must say that you are a rather difficult person to love as a Christian brother. It's a good test I guess of my own Christian love.

As to the Spirit, Jesus said (to the woman at the well) that God is Spirit and Truth and in his great prayer in John that his desire is to live in us with us in him as he is in God with God in him. That's a spiritual organic type of thing, self-referential, not separative and particularized.

Does Jesus not live in you, in spirit?

Also, with respect to the solstice, it's encoded in Jesus' death and resurrection, which also contains a type of evolutionary allegory of life meeting life. He was looking to and reflecting the divine order, and capping it in himself as the transcendent principal.

Oh God do I really have to share heaven with these people? Can you put them in another "wing" of the mansion maybe?

VeteranHumanApe post by boymonkey74


"Civilization will not allow perfection until the last stone from the last church falls on the last priest". E.Zola.

An answer:
"Any religion or belief system that preaches the need to be 'saved' is in all likelyhood already lost. Some just need verification that they are lost or they would not believe it".

My answer to these (not asked just offered):
Some need a continual searching for God Aspect as a comfort IN NOT KNOWING and inso being are safe from real introspection and have a convienient arguement for the avoidance of any purposeful discussion.

Imagine every bad feeling you ever had, and then imagine that for eternity. Hows that

AthlonSavage
Imagine every bad feeling you ever had, and then imagine that for eternity. Hows that

If it were me? hope that I was born in a coma or 'catatonic' state
vegetable. No thoughts no implied sexual thoughts against or for any good natured caregivers that bathe me, not have ANY thoughts or resolution toward/regarding 'The Theory Of Everything' (Chaos Fractal Theory already figured). No bad feelings at all; just an idea of BEING TRAPPED in an immobile human suit.

AthlonSavage
Imagine every bad feeling you ever had, and then imagine that for eternity. Hows that

People will experience real physical pain in Hell, it won't just be bad feelings I'm afraid.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


How? we leave our bodies when dead, so we will not have nerves etc to feel pain.
So you honestly believe you goto heaven or hell as yourself? tell me is it the younger self or yourself when you die?.