Courts Quietly Confirm MMR Vaccine Causes Autism

Rubinstein
Actually SV40 is the most likely cause of diverse group of blood cancers known as Non Hodgkin Lymphomas (NLH), it was pretty much non-existant before those contaminated vaccines went out.

Association between SV40 and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.
we conclude that SV40 is significantly associated with some types of NHL and that lymphomas should be added to the types of human cancers associated with SV40.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

SV40 in human brain cancers and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.
"During the last decade, independent studies using different molecular biology techniques have shown the presence of SV40 DNA, T-ag, or other viral markers in primary human brain cancers, and a systematic assessment of the data indicates that the virus is significantly associated with this group of human tumors. In addition, recent large independent studies showed that SV40 T-ag DNA is significantly associated with human non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (NHL)"
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Pardon?
Up to now there have been absolutely NO cases of cancer which can be attributed to this (initially it was postulated that it would be extremely difficult for this virus to cause cancer in humans and, certainly so far, they've been proven correct).

Actually, it's not.
Quelle surprise.
www.nature.com...
cebp.aacrjournals.org...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

And it was very much in existence, it just wasn't classified as that specific category.
Again, repeating myself.
Am I debating with goldfish here?

Let's all remember now why we're here, why this discussion is so important. There are families all around the world who have had their lives destroyed by vaccines. This is the reason I would ask we show each other more respect and remove childishness from the debate. If anyone here is paid to post then please think carefully about the harm you're causing to healthy children around the world.

hiddencode
Let's all remember now why we're here, why this discussion is so important. There are families all around the world who have had their lives destroyed by vaccines. This is the reason I would ask we show each other more respect and remove childishness from the debate. If anyone here is paid to post then please think carefully about the harm you're causing to healthy children around the world.

Hiddencode, you're here because Rubinstein is.

Whilst it's a touching video, the title under it on YouTube says
"Experts can tell me what they want but my sons regression started immediately after vaccinations".

Sorry, but anecdotes do not constitute evidence. That's just confirmation bias.
18 months is the average age for autism to develop and become evidential.
Autism is not caused by vaccination.

So rather than post anecdotes, post proper verifiable evidence that vaccines cause autism please.

Regarding your last line, take a hard look at yourselves too.
jennymccarthybodycount.com...

Although if that's too factual for you, watch this as you lot seem to prefer Youtube videos


And this.


And this.


And this.


And this.


Proud of yourselves anti-vaxxers?

reply to post by hiddencode

Let's all remember now why we're here, why this discussion is so important. There are families all around the world who have had their lives destroyed by vaccines. This is the reason I would ask we show each other more respect and remove childishness from the debate. If anyone here is paid to post then please think carefully about the harm you're causing to healthy children around the world.

There are also children all over the world dying from measles, polio, and other readily avoided diseases. On the other hand, people who have never been vaccinated have become autistic. If anyone here is paid to post then please think carefully about the harm you're causing to healthy children around the world.

Pardon?


"Dr" Tent is a chiropratic.
He's not a medical doctor. He's not a physician.
He's not an immunologist, he's not an epidemiologist, he's not a virologist, he's not a biochemist, he's not a pharmacist.
He's not a lot of things he should be if he 's giving talks and presentations about auto-immune disease.

Without going into all the aspects of what he's talking about (it's a long video which I've skipped through before but I'm happy to go through any of the points raised) there is very, little, if any at all , real evidence he presents on his powerpoint. Plenty of case reports (some of which look hand-written), plenty of conjecture, plenty of testimonies but bereft of real evidence.

As robust evidence against vaccines this lurks at the bottom of the pond.
Buried in the silt (hopefully).


Onemanarmy, you're correct about if anyone's "researching" vaccines they should view this as this is everything in one video that should be discarded at source.

What did you say your stance was on vaccines again?
Joke.

Lol, you question his qualifications as if it makes him incapable of his own research.
What are your qualifications? Why should I take anything YOU say seriously?

I have to conclude from your post that you are not credible and NOTHING you say is to be taken seriously, thank you for clearing that up for me.

My stance started out as open minded, my position is getting more and more into the ANTI camp. I wont deny it, Im happy to announce that my own investigation(as a non MD, non virologist, non medical person full stop) are leading me to highly question the credibility of the pharmaceutical industry. And you for that matter, as you say yourself, unless someone is a microbiologist then their opinion is null and void.

Thanks again for clearing that up for me.


They said on the radio the other day that in the UK 1 in 3 of us will die of cancer.
Cancer rates arent rising at all are they? /end sarcasm.

What am I asking you for anyway, you are just as qualified as I am in this debate.
BUT it would seem both Len Horowitz and Dr Tent ARE more qualified than both of us.

What are the videos you posted if not testimonial?

So its alright for you to post testimonial evidence but not OK for anyone else?

Alrighty then.

OneManArmy

Lol, you question his qualifications as if it makes him incapable of his own research.
What are your qualifications? Why should I take anything YOU say seriously?

I have to conclude from your post that you are not credible and NOTHING you say is to be taken seriously, thank you for clearing that up for me.

My stance started out as open minded, my position is getting more and more into the ANTI camp. I wont deny it, Im happy to announce that my own investigation(as a non MD, non virologist, non medical person full stop) are leading me to highly question the credibility of the pharmaceutical industry. And you for that matter, as you say yourself, unless someone is a microbiologist then their opinion is null and void.

Thanks again for clearing that up for me.


They said on the radio the other day that in the UK 1 in 3 of us will die of cancer.
Cancer rates arent rising at all are they? /end sarcasm.

What am I asking you for anyway, you are just as qualified as I am in this debate.
BUT it would seem both Len Horowitz and Dr Tent ARE more qualified than both of us.

What are the videos you posted if not testimonial?

So its alright for you to post testimonial evidence but not OK for anyone else?

Alrighty then.

edit on 201312America/Chicago12am12amSat, 07 Dec 2013 05:08:44 -06001213 by OneManArmy because: (no reason given)

You don't have to take anything seriously from me although I've pretty much kept my opinions as such out of this debate and used real science to do the arguing for me.
Take note of the science rather than me.

I'd say neither of the quacks you cite are more qualified than I am.
One's a dentist (and an AIDS/Ebola conspiracist amongst other things) and the other has no medical qualifications whatsoever.
It's one thing "doing your research" and another presenting them as fact.
That part seems to pass you by.
I also asked if you wish to use any of the points he uses I will happily discuss them.
It will be quite easy as he doesn't use science.

I posted those videos as it seems as you lot can only respond to testimony rather than scientific evidence.

Your stance started out as an anti-vax BELIEVER and has remained consistent throughout this thread.
There is nothing you've posted in this thread to prove otherwise.

As for 1 in 3 of us dying of cancer that's true.
Tends to happen because of lifestyle and the fact we're living longer (I wonder why we're living longer...?)

Here's something to put the cat amongst the pigeons....

"Bg Pharma" Fund the Anti-Vax Movement

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They said on the radio the other day that in the UK 1 in 3 of us will die of cancer.
Cancer rates arent rising at all are they? /end sarcasm

Cancer rates are increasing because cancer is more common as you get older, and more and more people are lving into old age. The rate of cancer in each age group hasn't changed.

reply to post by hiddencode

If anyone here is paid to post then please think carefully about the harm you're causing to healthy children around the world

Now that's offensive. Speaks volumes as your;

A: Paranoia
B: Delusion of self importance

I'm sure if there were a conspiracy, this would be the last place they'd bother with. It's like arguing with hamsters (or goldfish).

reply to post by hiddencode

Let's all remember now why we're here, why this discussion is so important. There are families all around the world who have had their lives destroyed by vaccines. This is the reason I would ask we show each other more respect and remove childishness from the debate. If anyone here is paid to post then please think carefully about the harm you're causing to healthy children around the world.

Tragic regressive autism case.

Boys with regressive autism have neurological differences. a bigger brain (detectable before mmr) is one. Amazing what you find when you know how to read a science journal.

said.
The study found that accelerated head growth and brain enlargement was consistently observed only in the subset of children diagnosed with regressive autism. Specifically, total brain volume in 3-year-old males with regressive autism was more than 6 percent larger than that of age-matched typically developing peers. Twenty-two percent of boys with regressive autism, as opposed to 5 percent of boys without regressive autism, had enlarged brains, the study found

While brain size was clearly larger at age 3, the study also determined when the precocious growth began, by examining records of head circumference that provides a reasonable estimate of brain size in young children. These analyses clearly indicated that brain growth diverged from normal at around 4 to 6 months of age.

This is of particular interest, because many families believe that the trigger that led to their child's regression took place close to the time that the regression happened.

But the data reported in this paper indicate that the process leading to the enlarged brain, which presumably also is associated with the onset of autism, started when the child was a newborn.

Its not impossible that exposure to a virus causes an autoimmune response. But like i said, the weak measles virus they use, is way better than the wild one. And if no-one vaccinates, everyone gets exposed to measles in childhood anyway, and a large number of kids will also die from measles and get nasty brain damage, blindness and organ damage.

FYI, even the cold sore virus can cause brain damage, so can chickenpox. Look up viral encephalitis.
neuropathology-web.org...

Just for the heck of it: two seperate studies of babies that show differences in autism sufferers at 6 months

Brain Differences Found at 6 Months in Infants Who Develop Autism
www.sciencedaily.com...

A new study from the Infant Brain Imaging Network, which includes researchers at the Center for Autism Research at The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP), found significant differences in brain development starting at age 6 months in high-risk infants who later develop autism, compared to high-risk infants who did not develop autism.

Brain Scans Detect Early Signs of Autism in Infants
www.sciencedaily.com...

June 27, 2012 — A new study shows significant differences in brain development in high-risk infants who develop autism starting as early as age 6 months. The findings published in the American Journal of Psychiatry reveal that this abnormal brain development may be detected before the appearance of autism symptoms in an infant's first year of life. Autism is typically diagnosed around the age of 2 or 3.

A logical response anyone?

I thoroughly recommend science daily for an overview of the science being currently done. Strangely, not seeing vaccines as a cause or even being investigated. Genetics, exposure to drugs and toxins in utero, yes.

reply to post by Pardon?

Here's something to put the cat amongst the pigeons....

"Bg Pharma" Fund the Anti-Vax Movement

Hilarious. I doubt any of them will bother.

True about the profit on vaccines being miniscule. Last I heard they were trying to develop a one off flu vaccine so that we'll only need a jab every few decades. How does that fit into a profit motive?

Antigod
reply to post by Pardon?

 

Here's something to put the cat amongst the pigeons....

"Bg Pharma" Fund the Anti-Vax Movement

Hilarious. I doubt any of them will bother.

True about the profit on vaccines being miniscule. Last I heard they were trying to develop a one off flu vaccine so that we'll only need a jab every few decades. How does that fit into a profit motive?

Its not rocket science..let me clarify.
You cause a lifelong illness, you reap a lifetime of medicine costs. Hence pharma being one of the most profitable "legal" industries in the world.
Big Pharma funds many things, including both sides of government.

Show me a flu vaccine that actually lasts for ten years, the flu virus mutates every year. Its called evolution.
Talking of flu vaccines, my sisters boyfriend had his flu jab, 2 weeks later he was in hospital for a week. Same thing happened to his nan. Maybe there is a genetic predisposition to adverse reactions to some vaccines.

About 20 years ago here in the UK they claimed to have eliminated TB, now its back with a vengeance and more resistant than ever.

So many false claims, its a wonder anyone believes them at all.

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

EDIT: Interesting new thread I just found....www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by OneManArmy

Its not rocket science..let me clarify.
You cause a lifelong illness, you reap a lifetime of medicine costs. Hence pharma being one of the most profitable "legal" industries in the world.
Big Pharma funds many things, including both sides of government.

Show me a flu vaccine that actually lasts for ten years, the flu virus mutates every year. Its called evolution.
Talking of flu vaccines, my sisters boyfriend had his flu jab, 2 weeks later he was in hospital for a week. Same thing happened to his nan. Maybe there is a genetic predisposition to adverse reactions to some vaccines.

About 20 years ago here in the UK they claimed to have eliminated TB, now its back with a vengeance and more resistant than ever.

So many false claims, its a wonder anyone believes them at all.

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

EDIT: Interesting new thread I just found....www.abovetopsecret.com...
edit on 201312America/Chicago12pm12pmSat, 07 Dec 2013 12:47:44 -06001213 by OneManArmy

The universal flu vaccine is being based on the similarities between viral strains. Still a work in progress.

TB was more or less eradicated in the UK until the developing world and agriculture decided to abuse antiobiotcs, producing a wide variety of antibiotic resistant strains. TB then reapppeared as hoards of immigrants with TB turned up, most of our TB cases are foreign born. Not the fault of drugs companies or doctors.

Odd that you think that's an example of being lied to. It's an example of short sighted humans (mainly non medically trained) ruining a good thing.

And what was wrong with your sisters boyfriend then?

Antigod
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They said on the radio the other day that in the UK 1 in 3 of us will die of cancer.
Cancer rates arent rising at all are they? /end sarcasm

Cancer rates are increasing because cancer is more common as you get older, and more and more people are lving into old age. The rate of cancer in each age group hasn't changed.

My friend was 36 when he contracted his lymphoma.

Lets get this straight... Fact: Cancer rates are rising.
You say... "The rate of cancer in each age group hasn't changed."


As dumb statements go, that one takes the biscuit.
Not to be rude, but just pointing out the obvious.

reply to post by OneManArmy

My friend was 36 when he contracted his lymphoma.

Lets get this straight... Fact: Cancer rates are rising.
You say... "The rate of cancer in each age group hasn't changed."


As dumb statements go, that one takes the biscuit.
Not to be rude, but just pointing out the obvious.

So flu vaccines cause lymphoma?

Rates of cancer in each age group have risen? Provide proof.

Antigod


TB was more or less eradicated in the UK until the developing world and agriculture decided to abuse antiobiotcs, producing a wide variety of antibiotic resistant strains. TB then reapppeared as hoards of immigrants with TB turned up, most of our TB cases are foreign born. Not the fault of drugs companies or doctors.

And what was wrong with your sisters boyfriend then?

Oh yes, its always someone elses fault. Please dont insult my intelligence.
Of course the TB was brought back with the "hoards" of immigrants.
Over confident medics and drug companies share their part of the blame.


As for my sisters boyfriend, like I said he had a flu jab, then he ended up hospitalized 2 weeks later due to a lung problem, and was also diagnosed with wilsons disease while he was there. His liver is inflamed and unable to flush copper and other metals from his system, will probably need medication for the rest of his life.

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Just to help, Onemanarmy

Cancer risk is increased by;

smoking
alcohol
hormones
some chemical exposures, including petrol
obesity
older age
eating a lot of preverved red meat
eating a loy of sugar
lack of dietary fibre
too much ultraviolet or other radiation
some viral and bacteria infections
injury

feel free to blame everyone's ailments on vaccinations though.

reply to post by OneManArmy

Oh yes, its always someone elses fault. Please dont insult my intelligence.
Of course the TB was brought back with the "hoards" of immigrants.
Over confident medics and drug companies share their part of the blame.


As for my sisters boyfriend, like I said he had a flu jab, then he ended up hospitalized 2 weeks later due to a lung problem, and was also diagnosed with wilsons disease while he was there. His liver is inflamed and unable to flush copper and other metals from his system, will probably need medication for the rest of his life

Wilsons disease is a genetic disorder.

The majority of TB cases in the Uk are foreign born, and new infections coming from the foreign born. Stone cold fact, try checking it out. Antibiotic resistance was caused by improper use of antibiotics in poor countries and abuse of it by agriculture. How are drug companies to blame for that?

to quote the NHS:

The researchers explain that cases of diagnosed TB have risen in the UK from 6,167 to 9,040 in the 10 years to 2009, and this is mainly due to rising numbers of cases in foreign-born immigrants. They

Antigod
reply to post by OneManArmy

 

My friend was 36 when he contracted his lymphoma.

Lets get this straight... Fact: Cancer rates are rising.
You say... "The rate of cancer in each age group hasn't changed."


As dumb statements go, that one takes the biscuit.
Not to be rude, but just pointing out the obvious.

So flu vaccines cause lymphoma?

Rates of cancer in each age group have risen? Provide proof.

Where did I say flu vaccines cause lymphoma? Provide proof.

Cancer rates are rising dramatically, but you claim its not rising in the individual groups.

The rise in cancer rates is a fact.
For some reason I cannot insert a png into this post.


Heres the source...check fig 2.9 Source - Cancer Research uk

I showed you also how the mortality of measles was falling dramatically before vaccinations were ever performed, but interestingly you never replied to that fact.
All the information you are posting about the rise in TB being because of immigrants is preaching to the choir, if you look a couple posts above this one you will see I also said of course it is.