"Mind Control / Mind Influence" due to Methylized Tagging of Epigenetic DNA Sequences?

reply to post by jazz10


It is about the belief, imho.

For example, I always "believe" that Sunlights enhance me like what it does to Superman. I feel great so far.
I have no need to hide or wear any sunblocks. I appreciate the Heat. The hottest it is, the more energy I will receive.

My advice for those people who have fear that some weaponry like HAARP causing disturbance around this planet: Have a belief that none of that would work against them!

peace.

reply to post by liveandlearn


Sounds worthwhile for you ;-)

I view science as a system of honesty enforcement, so I love science.
It's one the the best things to ever hit Earth and one of the
diciest at the same time.

Someday we might have warp drives that can hop to the
waveform at the edge of know-able space. We might have
nearly all knowledge compliments of science.

But the last discovery, on the last day that humans exist,
might be that all those physical laws only hold true within
a small marble worn by a cranky cat.

And that cat is the pet of a mystic-trickster the age of
12, sitting on the back of a very large turtle surrounded
by the void.

But the good thing about that? Science would adapt and
make a new theory of everything; that's what science
does; that's what makes science great.

KPB

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


Love your imagination and way with words PrettyBear.

It is good for the short term as it gives me time to investigate and work on myself so that I can release things that are not me and become more of who I truly am.

Having watched my children come into this world with personality traits they did not have time to learn, and believing in reincarnation, it seems these traits were embedded in the genome via epigenetics and embedded in the soul.

Just my take on the matter. I too love science but as you metaphorically say, it can just take us so far in this life time.

The wizard of Oz.

KPB- You seem like a completely different person on this thread....hmm.

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by BDBinc

 

It was your job to do all the research on" mind control by methylation".

I don't recall signing my free will over to you.

KPB

1)So you don't answer my questions.
2) AND the person you told on this thread to do research on this topic ( you obviously did not) signed over their free will to you?
Knowing what you are talking about on a thread( In this case epigentics and methylation ) does not have anything to do with free will .

I'll put my full quote to you again ...


It was your job to do all the research on" mind control by methylation".

" DNA methylation is only one mechanism that APPEARS to be coordinated with histone modifications, particularly those that lead to silencing of gene expression.
Small noncoding RNAs such as RNAi can also be involved in the regulatory processes that form "silent" chromatin. On the other hand, when the tails of histone molecules are acetylated at specific locations, these molecules have less interaction with DNA, thereby leaving it more open."

Bottom line is there is no gene for gullibility or stupidity.
So to what gene silenced leads to naivety?


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BDBinc
I'll put my full quote to you again ...


It was your job to do all the research on" mind control by methylation".

" DNA methylation is only one mechanism that APPEARS to be coordinated with histone modifications, particularly those that lead to silencing of gene expression.
Small noncoding RNAs such as RNAi can also be involved in the regulatory processes that form "silent" chromatin. On the other hand, when the tails of histone molecules are acetylated at specific locations, these molecules have less interaction with DNA, thereby leaving it more open."

Bottom line is there is no gene for gullibility or stupidity.
So to what gene silenced leads to naivety?


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edit on 19-11-2013 by BDBinc because: (no reason given)

Ok, I'll bite.

If you know anything whatsoever about genetics and epigenetics,
then you know that there are often dozens of genes involved
with particular traits or behaviors. So for complex traits or
behaviors more than one gene would need to be affected or
silenced. Which can certainly be done.

But of course, you don't actually want that information.

Best wishes,

KPB

reply to post by BDBinc


I'd like to ask you a personal question. You don't need to answer.

My question is this:

"What psychological need drives you to post in the way that you
do?"

A follow-up question if you will:

"What possible value does it provide to any person besides yourself,
for you to post in the way that you do?"

You will note, that I'm not judging or insulting you, I simply wish to understand
your behavior.

Be well,

KPB

reply to post by nugget1


Really? Maybe you don't know me very well! That would not be
surprising.. as we don't know each other!

You are probably sensing that I don't have some sort of presumably
'god like knowledge' of this subject, that perhaps I'm not so different
a person from other people? That perhaps I have to study and learn
just like everyone else?

When I post on spiritual topics I have 52 years of non-stop observation
and research going for me. In fact, I have to force my awareness to
think about things of a more 'mundane nature'. If I don't concentrate
my awareness goes to it's default position.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble.. ;-) there is a role for everyone in
this world, and I can't live the life of one other soul. I do my
thing and others do their thing, and hopefully together we can
get something good accomplished.

Is not the framing of the post and explaining the implications
of the post and providing excellent links worth something?
Do you think that I should carry every post on my back and
provide near-omniscient commentary on every new subject
I've never even thought about before?

Now do I have a certain intuition that I can tap? Sure. But it
has huge limits, and is wrong sometimes. I've never claimed
otherwise.

Does this explain things? Or did I miss the mark about what
you were thinking and feeling?

KPB

KellyPrettyBear

BDBinc
I'll put my full quote to you again ...


It was your job to do all the research on" mind control by methylation".

" DNA methylation is only one mechanism that APPEARS to be coordinated with histone modifications, particularly those that lead to silencing of gene expression.
Small noncoding RNAs such as RNAi can also be involved in the regulatory processes that form "silent" chromatin. On the other hand, when the tails of histone molecules are acetylated at specific locations, these molecules have less interaction with DNA, thereby leaving it more open."

Bottom line is there is no gene for gullibility or stupidity.
So to what gene silenced leads to naivety?


)

edit on 19-11-2013 by BDBinc because: (no reason given)

Ok, I'll bite.

If you know anything whatsoever about genetics and epigenetics,
then you know that there are often dozens of genes involved
with particular traits or behaviors. So for complex traits or
behaviors more than one gene would need to be affected or
silenced. Which can certainly be done.

But of course, you don't actually want that information.

Best wishes,

KPB

Behaviour is not fixed , you actually have the power to change your behaviour!
Shock horror -you can't blame the PTB for it.
1) So many genes yes, so in these alleged only "dozens of genes" which one(s) are the one(s) for naivety (leading to mind control) that you claim the PTB switch off?
What are the links for all this science information you are citing ?

Repetition makes behaviours habits .
Its so silly to think genes control your habits/behaviours and that you can switch of a "dozen" genes and only then have control of peoples minds.
If most people are " asleep" (stuck imagining the past or future), people that are asleep( don't question) are easy to control.

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by BDBinc

 

I'd like to ask you a personal question. You don't need to answer.

My question is this:

"What psychological need drives you to post in the way that you
do?"

A follow-up question if you will:

"What possible value does it provide to any person besides yourself,
for you to post in the way that you do?"

You will note, that I'm not judging or insulting you, I simply wish to understand
your behavior.

Be well,

KPB

Ai)Understand your own behaviour first, why do you tell untruths?
When you do not know something instead of arguing the point and answering relevant questions on the thread why do you try to pull an ad hominem .
Aii)The truth has its own value.

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

Does this explain things? Or did I miss the mark about what you were thinking and feeling?

You missed the mark, I think.
On other threads I can't hardly make sense of what you're saying at times- most of the time- and you seem rather defensive and argumentative. Here, you have made your case in a very concise manner, and don't seem to care if others agree or not.
I meant no disrespect; I am making an observation, and complimenting you.
Nugget

nugget1
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

 

Does this explain things? Or did I miss the mark about what you were thinking and feeling?

You missed the mark, I think.
On other threads I can't hardly make sense of what you're saying at times- most of the time-

and you seem rather defensive and argumentative. Here, you have made your case in a very concise manner, and don't seem to care if others agree or not.
I meant no disrespect; I am making an observation, and complimenting you.
Nugget

Oh. Well I was thinking about something related to what I posted to you,
so I was obviously projecting.

I imagine that you perceived me as being different, because what I was posting
about was pretty much rock solid science that pretty much can't be disputed.
What I did with this post was this:

1) come up with a premise.
2) come close to proving the premise with available science.
3) found myself get a bit excited.. that doesn't always happen.
4) I thought that just this once a I wouldn't have to spend 30%
of my time doing remedial lessons on things like math and
basic logic for some of the people replying. Now I'll do this sort of
thing until the sun burns out in the sky.. but it doesn't feel
nearly as productive as actually discussing the topic.

I hope that frames the answer better.. I was distracted when replying
before.. but I don't regret the previous response.. it might help
someone. I'm starting to get some pretty intense PM's from people
who make some assumptions that may not be true.. so that response
was on my mind.

Oh one more thing --- it's not that I'm 'defensive' with my other topics,
but rather that I know I'll get responses from people with all this
programming with corrupting symbols. Rather than be rude or dismissive,
which isn't in my nature, I try to help the most hard-luck case who just
wants to heckle me.. and see if I can get past their crusty exterior and
touch their heart. I just want them to feel better and consider that
perhaps they aren't accomplishing anything of value in being so
negative.

KPB

reply to post by BDBinc


Actually The Gut answered this one. I don't need to re-invent
the wheel. Besides everyone knows that behavior is a result
of both nature (genes and epigenetics) and nurture.

However people who aren't very nurtured (and that includes
a lot of western civilization these days.. who are kids who
were raised by television sets more than parents) will often
default to nature.

I hope that clears things up.

KPB

reply to post by BDBinc


Oh goodness.

When I was being molested or beaten, I did not attack my attacker
or think unkind thoughts.

I do not do attacks. I did not evade anything. I do
not play dishonesty games. I have no agenda.
Nothing to protect.

You are probably projecting.

Now, you may receive a 'sense of victory' by my doing this,
but I don't want to treat you like a child. So the only thing
I can do is to stop communicating with you on this thread.
Feel free to do whatever you wish to do on any of my
other threads.

Be well.

KPB

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by BDBinc

 

Actually The Gut answered this one. I don't need to re-invent
the wheel. Besides everyone knows that behavior is a result
of both nature (genes and epigenetics) and nurture.

However people who aren't very nurtured (and that includes
a lot of western civilization these days.. who are kids who
were raised by television sets more than parents) will often
default to nature.

I hope that clears things up.

KPB

No the Gut did not answer me and I was asking you.
1) So many genes yes, so in these alleged only "dozens of genes" which one(s) are the one(s) for naivety (leading to mind control) that you claim the PTB switch off?
What are the links for all this science information you are citing ?

Behaviour is not fixed , you actually have the power to change your behaviour!
Shock horror -you can't blame the PTB for it. Kids that watch TV do not default to "nature"( what is nature
in this context) they all mimic what they have learn't [& some parents can be more abusive than TV]. A person appears as they experience the world ( develop ideas of who they are ( ego) and how the world sees them). A personality.

The old unanswered nature vs nurture question: That experience can alter behaviour and that one can form habits was not the point in this "mind control by switching off a dozen genes" thread . Its the science you 're missing in it.
Its so silly to think genes control your habits/behaviours and that you can switch of a "dozen" genes and only then have control of peoples minds.
If most people are " asleep" (stuck imagining the past or future), people that are asleep( don't question) are easy to control.

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by BDBinc

 

Oh goodness.

When I was being molested or beaten, I did not attack my attacker
or think unkind thoughts.

I do not do attacks. I did not evade anything. I do
not play dishonesty games. I have no agenda.
Nothing to protect.

You are probably projecting.

Now, you may receive a 'sense of victory' by my doing this,
but I don't want to treat you like a child. So the only thing
I can do is to stop communicating with you on this thread.
Feel free to do whatever you wish to do on any of my
other threads.

Be well.

KPB

You are not making sense now talking about your molester.
I am not your molester, this thread has nothing to do with your molester, are you projecting.

muzzleflash

FyreByrd
This technology (telling from the blood) could also help people courteract existing PTSD and help fine positive epi-genetic triggers as well.

I completely disagree.

I am afraid people cannot solve their emotional or mental problems through "paying professionals $$$".

They will actually have to face their negatives on their own inside of themselves and conquer them.
No other way has ever worked.

MF: Gotta agree with your disagree. Having fought (and continuing to battle) a pretty severe case of the PTSD, I can affirm that "professional" help (paid or not on my end) is of very limited use and results in little or no alleviation in the "issues" I've been dealing with since getting back from my last tour. At least it's of limited help unless you (or I in this case) identify and address the core causes of, underlying reasons for and precipitating incident(s) of the resultant PTSD symptoms - and then DEAL with same in whatever way works.
But more on topic, does this epi-genetics stuff actually add anything to the research. Sure I guess. As others have mentioned above, however, it's not simply the genes (nature) that make the man. My experiences in Iraq and Afghanistan affected me. A lot. It's led to issues. I just find it hard to swallow that some maltreatment or minor neglect in my childhood (the nurture) changed my genes (or groups of genes) and made me susceptible to this crap. Or that those experiences over there changed my genes leading to a case of PTSD (if that's what they're getting at).
In either case, I think it'd be interesting to study, sure. Test a bunch of kids at birth, keep accurate logs of their experiences and any inherent psych issues or diseases, test them again, see if any of those experiences can be linked to any significant genetic changes and if their base (un-epi-genetically messed with) DNA brought about any base issue/disease, continue tracking them to see if those changes result in any demonstrable link with later disease or psych issues.
In my specific case and others in the same boat, maybe this epi-genetic voodoo can help, but I too am skeptical. It might help identify those more prone to develop PTSD, or any certain psych issue, having gone through the same experience(s)? That's probably the limit, though, as in my experience things that'll push me over to the dark side with this and the situations that probably set this off in me to begin with are completely different for my buddies. So, I can see it as a kind of indicator for those individuals more likely to get Condition X from Experience Y. I'm sure it cannot and will not be the 100% proof most people think of in relation to DNA testing.
Anyway, I typed more than I had intended. Halfway through the last paragraph I was just gonna click the Back arrow and skip it. But, who knows, maybe those "professionals" have made some sort of positive impact leading me to stick to it and click "reply" instead.

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


It appears that you and I share the same taste in reading matter.

While this technology is fascinating, with numerous potential applications, I am struggling to see how it can be used directly for mind control purposes, indirectly though it does have some controlling application possibilities. The last few paragraphs in particular interested me...

While epigenetic profiling could be a powerful tool for catching criminals and saving lives, there are as ever potential dangers. What if you had episodes in your past you wanted to hide? You might not worry about your doctor having access to you epigenome, but what about your life insurance company? Could they increase your premiums or refuse to insure you on the basis of what your epigenetic profile reveals? How would you like your employer or school to get their hands on this information?

“There’s a whole host of legal and ethical issues surrounding epigenetics,” says bioethicist Mark Rothstein of the University of Louisville School of Medicine in Kentucky, “but people are ignoring them for reasons I just don’t understand.”

In the UK and some US states, it is illegal to analyse someone’s DNA without their consent, but there’s nothing to stop you analysing their epigenome. It’s a similar story with discrimination by employers and insurers. The UK and the US (unlike Australia) have laws addressing genetic discrimination. “But there are no specific laws for epigenetics,” says Rothstein. “It’s very alarming.”

Rothstein think we need to ban non-consensual epigenetic testing. Then we can start to think about the beneficial uses of these tests, and build up the legislation around them. There’s a whole debate to be had. “We need to get it started.”

(Written in Your Blood, by Helen Pilcher. p49. 16 November 2013, New Scientist)

The way in which epigenetic profiling can highlight potential health risks, including proclivities towards cancer, highlight the process as a means of prevention, something that in the UK would save the tax payer considerable money, but in the US, due to the burden of cost being on the individual, would be detrimental to companies that profit from illness and disease, as well as pharmacutical companies that rely on the elastoplast principle of health management in order to increase profits. Added to that, it reminded me of the situation with AIDs screening back in the late 80s and 90s, where simply having the test could adversely effect health insurance and other financial product purchases, leading directly to higher premiums and interest rates due to the perception that taking the test marked you as leading a 'high risk' lifestyle.

However, to maintain your premise in the OP, I did consider whether the methylation profile could identify those who had suffered childhood trauma, and were therefore more succeptible to other forms of stress manipulation because of that. Further more, for those, say who claim to have been subjected to trauma that they believe was conducted based on government or agency directives, the methylation markers could be studied to confirm that such trauma took place, and under what circumstances, as in, whether certain environmental bio-chemicals could be used to indicate locations, or whether substances had been administered during that process. I thought it particularly interesting though, in that context, that the 'slate could be wiped clean', and in fact, that epigenetic analysis can actually identify susceptibility to such cleansing. Reminded me of the False Memory Institute and the work of Dr Louis Jolyon West specifically.

In terms of creating genius though, I don't see it as being applicable in a wide sense, however, taken in correspondence with seperate reports in the same issue of New Scientist (or was it last weeks?...either way), that exercise both during pregnancy and throughout life boosts intelligence, I can see a possible correlation, especially given that the majority of the methylation process occurs while in the womb and in the early years.

reply to post by KilgoreTrout


A really nice and thoughtful response.

I agree with you that pregnancy is the key time interval. Id say that if there is tampering - that is the most likely attack vector.

It's also well noted by you regarding the erasure. .. how convenient...

Yes N.S. is a great resource.

Thanks

KPB