14 year old boy tasered in face, beaten to a pulp by cops after shoplifting from Wal-Mart

theantediluvian
reply to post by Kangaruex4Ewe

 

I'm going to have to completely disagree with you. This kid's crime was SHOPLIFTING. I have racked my brain and I can't come up with a scenario where it's reasonable to taser a handcuffed kid in the face. This whole "there are 14 year old kids shooting at cops in the street" thing is so overblown.

You can keep believing this BS excuses for police brutality all you want, but the average cop is in less danger than the average GARBAGE MAN and that's a fact.

Agreed! The kid was running away, not confrontational, and handcuffed, true? Most adults would just handle their incarceration maturely, a child does not have the maturity to always know how to react in such a situation. Police should know these things....

They should even have a bit of compassion. You know scare the kid a a bit for his own good, wink wink... Then take him home to mom instead of jail. I can remember this very thing happening to a childhood friends brother. I guess it is the first time you get to learn a lesson, the second time you will go to jail. And they told him that.

If you treat children civil they will act civil. Now they just taught this child anger.

reply to post by Sublimecraft


Situations like this happen because there is no UNITY in America anyone. It's like everyone for themselves.
If only people treated each other like family, each American's son like their own, then this wouldn't happen. Where is the sense of a strong community, love for each other and care for one another?

Ask yourselves this, what would you do if this was your kid?

Then ask yourself, why aren't you doing anything about this?

Answer is, because American's don't give two bucks about what happens to someone else's kid.

What? You expect them to chase a kid in handcuffs and risk dropping a perfectly good donut?
What planet are you people from?
( this looks like police work to me, you can't fall on both sides of your face at once)

Kangaruex4Ewe
reply to post by theantediluvian

 

I didn't give any excuses for police brutality. I said that they deal with kids who are criminals all day long. Not all of them shoot at them in the streets which is why I included other crimes as well. I did however give an excuse as to why the police might be on guard with a 14 year old. We all see our own children and can't dream of them being in this situation but the fact remains that they can not just assume since it's a kid that they are safe.

Kid was already handcuffed. If he had a grenade launcher hidden in his pocket he couldnt have used it. THAT kid was no threat whatsoever at that point. I have to wonder about the adult officer being so askeered of a handcuffed scrawny kid that he felt the need to tazer him in the face ( of ALL places!) ... makes one wonder about the guys fitness for this line of work. Lord knows what he would do if he confronted an armed violent offender if he is that afraid of a handcuffed little kid who has been rendered incapable of even giving the officer a wet willy. Im considering that theyre using videos of bugs bunny versus Elmer Fudd to teach cops threat assessment these days. Ordinary citizens = the enemy/potential terrorist in the new mechanized and militarized police of today.

Whatever happened to the good ol days when we'd just trip/tackle/slap the crap out of the handcuffed kid or beat him with a phone book.. and drive the little fool home?! Ill tell ya what happened.. it all started when kids were no longer afraid of their mothers beating the holy hell out of them when officer friendly handed mammas delinquent over to HER for punishment and saved themselves from doing paperwork. When the mothers became enablers and fathers were nowhere to be found. Cut the union lawyers in half and throw all computers out making hand written reports mandatory... and return the power to mom/ force mothers to be mothers or get jailed in the place of little johnny... and our troubles will be significantly reduced. Right before I "retired" to a life of professional slacker, the police here had to start giving out tickets to the parents of delinquents. It took monetary penalties to get these fools to be parents and have some clue where their kids were after curfew.Now thats a sad indictment on family structure and parenting...

So, a 'face plant' causes a kid to have 2 swollen black eyes and a broken nose????????????

Oh come on.....

I've seen drunks fall on their face from passing out and they never looked that bad.

They are going to have to come up with a better excuse than that....
And the kid has no recollection of what happened....gee, wonder why.

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ETA: Also, as the Mother pointed out, if he was running away from the cops albeit in handcuffs, how would he be tased in the face? One would think he would be tased from behind....

He fell… yah, right.

Thats what parents who abuse their kids say, too.

"Oh, he fell."

intrptr
He fell… yah, right.

Thats what parents who abuse their kids say, too.

"Oh, he fell."

You're right....

And do the police believe them??
HELL NO!!!

snarky412

And the kid has no recollection of what happened.

edit on 19-11-2013 by snarky412 because: (no reason given)

F-E-A-R.

Its a funny kinda amnesia you get when you know no matter what the truth is, you must abide by the established story of those in power/authority. The power/authority to mash your face everytime they see you... dontcha know.

reply to post by Kangaruex4Ewe

There is a popular myth in this country that cops are out on the streets fighting for their lives in an urban war zone. The numbers, however, show that being a cop is roughly as dangerous as being a chauffeur or a cab driver. In fact, 2012 was the safest year for cops since the early 1960's. We have a lot more to fear from cops than they do the rest of us.

In my view, your first reaction was to offer up this myth as a mitigating factor in the cops' actions while simultaneously dismissing the effects of peer pressure on a 14 year old's mind. The last sentence of my response was perhaps worded a bit strongly but I think in at least some small way, you're blaming the victim.

reply to post by theantediluvian


I'm just commenting on the actual injuries here.
This type of injuries is typical of going face first into concrete. Once on the ground I can almost guarantee force was applied on top of him. I don't know if that is standard procedure, or part of their training. You can be assured once on the ground force from a knee was applied to the body by one or more officers possibly even to the left side of the head. This would be why the scrapes are spread.

Its mostly swelling from the initial fall the scrapes are mostly superficial. It looks far worse than it probably is. It probably took a few days for the swelling to go down. The scrapes would be completely gone within 2weeks on a 14 yr old.

All of the injuries are from where the bone, teeth, and cartilage, is most prominent on that side of the face. Looks consistent with a hard landing.

reply to post by namehere

i don't know why you think that's not possible, it looks like a face on injury after sliding across concrete on impact and broken noses alone can cause black eyes. to me it looks like a broken nose and a few scrapes from running and falling

Yeah… lemme guess, your wife "walks into the door" when she's acting up right?

SasquatchHunter
reply to post by theantediluvian

 

I'm just commenting on the actual injuries here.
This type of injuries is typical of going face first into concrete. Once on the ground I can almost guarantee force was applied on top of him. I don't know if that is standard procedure, or part of their training. You can be assured once on the ground force from a knee was applied to the body by one or more officers possibly even to the left side of the head. This would be why the scrapes are spread.

Its mostly swelling from the initial fall the scrapes are mostly superficial. It looks far worse than it probably is. It probably took a few days for the swelling to go down. The scrapes would be completely gone within 2weeks on a 14 yr old.

All of the injuries are from where the bone, teeth, and cartilage, is most prominent on that side of the face. Looks consistent with a hard landing.

How exactly does someone get tazered in the face, then fall into the concrete head first. He was running towards the cops?

Heckler told Philly.com that his office may interview eyewitnesses and possibly review footage of the incident taken on a police dashboard camera before proceeding further.

Wouldn't releasing the footage just settle the debate?

Imagine how cops will treat people everywhere if they ever confiscate guns.. We see how brutal they are in cities with gun bans already..
This kid being brutalized like this is inexcusable.. These cops should be dealt with using extreme prejudice..

They will definitely be brutalizing law abiding citizens using extreme prejudice.. And using simple misdemeanors as an excuse to brutalize people, even children or senior citizens.

Sooner or later, the only way to survive will be to get them, before they get you, unfortunately..

Every law abiding citizen should arm themselves and conceal carry.. We are all going to be needing them soon enough.

reply to post by boncho


Im not speculating on what transpired before the fall. I'm speculating on the actual injuries and they look consistent with a fall onto concrete. I've had these types of injuries growing up skateboarding, riding bikes, basketball.

Don't suppose they have camera footage from the tazer, do they?

Found out from my brother a few days ago (a cop) that our police tazers have cameras installed in them that are activated as soon as the weapon is armed, and the officers don't have the software to view or delete the files.

ETA: If your police don't have cameras in theirs, I would suggest pushing the issue for them to get them. You could always use the "if you're doing the right thing, you don't have anything to worry about" line if they don't seem keen on getting them.

reply to post by elouina


you have to realize that when you commit a crime, there is always a potential for things to get out of hand.

next time, don't shoplift

The police are there to protect commerce - the kid was in direct violation of the rules of a capitalist system. The little tyke actually deserved everything he got - and then some. If the merchants had their way these little b______rds would have been executed on the spot, and the cops are only too willing to comply. One thing for sure - it'll be a while before the kid purloins merchandise from a store again - do y'all think he learned a lesson? Doubtful.

SasquatchHunter
reply to post by boncho

 

Im not speculating on what transpired before the fall. I'm speculating on the actual injuries and they look consistent with a fall onto concrete. I've had these types of injuries growing up skateboarding, riding bikes, basketball.

I've also had the same, fell head first off of concrete from a picnic bench. Yet, not the same. (Injuries or circumstance) I think neither of our personal opinions matter (regarding falls and severity of damage on should sustain).

We instead have to look at the story, and the story doesn't seem to make much sense either.

Cheers.

reply to post by namehere


I took a tazer to the back. The shot was so close the electricity jumped across the posts buried under my skin and fried the top layers in between. I still have a scar. But that is a story for another time.

Who watches the Watchmen?