Shocking video: Boeings nosedive in Kazan captured, as cause of crash is debated.

reply to post by aboutface


They're made out of high strength steel, and placed in the tail. There have been a few that were destroyed, but most survive the crash.

Black Box requirements

aboutface
reply to post by Zaphod58

 

My condolences to all affected. What a shocker.

After watching that horrid crash video I read the article where it said they have recovered the black box. Ok, I may be ultra naïve in these matters, but how in hell did that black box make it through? Is it made of titanium and heavily padded with fire resistant material?

As far as I'm aware the black boxes (actually orange in colour) are located near the tail section of the plane. 9 times out of 10 the tail is the last thing to impact in the ground

Also I think there have been incidents where the black box info is damaged and investigators cannot get the info needed from them

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

In May of 1996, ValuJet Flight 596 went into the Everglades nose first at speed. If you pull up images of the crash site, you'd think the swamp opened it's gaping maw and swallowed the whole plane in a single gulp, for the lack of anything really visible as a plane crash. Despite the work put into it, not all of it or the human remains were recovered. This, from a known location with total isolation and full control of the environment.

Wrabbit I can't believe anyone would even try to compare a hard ground aeronautical impact
in opposition to a similar ( lawn dart ) that occurred in a swamp. Obviously the two are only
comparale up to the point of impact, which brings me to my point, that they're completely
uncomparable.

And why do you question Zaph ? You're here enough to know his information is solid.
I know that because you're here just as much as I am, maybe more. And I know
it. I do sometimes question your clarity.

reply to post by randyvs


Shanksville WASN'T a hard ground impact. It was a reclaimed coal mine that had been filled in.

reply to post by Zaphod58

Shanksville WASN'T a hard ground impact. It was a reclaimed coal mine that had been filled in.

I stand corrected. That as it were, was used to sell a hard ground impact. And I might
ad was an easy sell to those who refuse to believe the extent of evi they live under.

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And why do you question Zaph ? You're here enough to know his information is solid.
I know that because you're here just as much as I am, maybe more. And I know
it. I do sometimes question your clarity.

I appreciate your concern for my mental well being. It's not relevant to the thread though, and Zaph can and has chatted with me aside the forum when we have a disagreement that really matters for something.

As noted elsewhere, I'd love to chat more about 9/11 theories in the 9/11 forum. This absolutely isn't that one.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I'm not chatting with you first of all. And I'm not all off topic 911, because I'm
giving you my opinion of the comparison you made, to the on topic.
C'mon, stop blow'in smoke.

Wrabbit2000
reply to post by randyvs

 

And why do you question Zaph ? You're here enough to know his information is solid.
I know that because you're here just as much as I am, maybe more. And I know
it. I do sometimes question your clarity.

I appreciate your concern for my mental well being. It's not relevant to the thread though, and Zaph can and has chatted with me aside the forum when we have a disagreement that really matters for something.

As noted elsewhere, I'd love to chat more about 9/11 theories in the 9/11 forum. This absolutely isn't that one.

Wrab and Zaph having an aeronautical kerfuffle ? We should question everything if we are wondering..
No ones infallible, let the two duke it out, maybe we can learn some more about this event..

Questioning everything should not always involve a paranoid conspiracy though.. This crash seems pretty cut and dry, plane crashes happen, and can happen without a conspiracy.

reply to post by starfoxxx


Save the flashes previous to impact that left a debris field. I see nothing unusual here to
even consider a remote possibility of a conspiracy. And if conpiracies were as you say ( paranoid ).
Conspiracy theory would surround every crash in aeronautical history, So that fact
that they do not. Gives the theories far more credit than you just did. IMO

starfoxxx

This crash seems pretty cut and dry, plane crashes happen, and can happen without a conspiracy.

Well, but this is a bit interesting...


Russia plane crash caught on surveillance video

The son of the provincial governor and the chief of the local branch of Russia's main security agency were among the victims.

Zaphod58
reply to post by aboutface

 

They're made out of high strength steel, and placed in the tail. There have been a few that were destroyed, but most survive the crash.

Black Box requirements

Followed the link and read up. Thanks. Much appreciated.

Hellmutt

starfoxxx

This crash seems pretty cut and dry, plane crashes happen, and can happen without a conspiracy.

Well, but this is a bit interesting...


Russia plane crash caught on surveillance video

The son of the provincial governor and the chief of the local branch of Russia's main security agency were among the victims.

Interesting sure, they are showcasing the two most important people (in their mind) that died in the crash.
Conspiracy? No, the kgb does not need to take a whole aircraft down to get rid of two people they want to get rid of..
Also adding more proof it was a simple plane malfunction, if you can ever call a plane malfunction simple..

Earlier in the day, however, the same plane had flown from Kazan to Moscow, and passengers reported huge vibrations during landing.

One witness told RT earlier that she was “on board that same Tatarstan airplane from Kazan to Moscow earlier on Sunday afternoon. The flight itself went quite smoothly but, just before the landing, the plane started vibrating fiercely. Initially I thought it was the weather - but when we got out of the plane, it turned out the weather was quite nice. The plane was shaking; it was dragged from side to side. We landed on our first attempt, but it was a really bad landing and I felt like the plane was going to roll off the runway.”

crash crash crash but no cigar

This plane was having problems already in the day.

reply to post by aboutface


they got the black boxes but they are damaged, said in 1 report.

There were some larger parts remaining after the crash. It's hard see clearly, but it looks like the plane came down in at least a partially dressed zone.




In the nightime video of the plane coming down, there are also sizeable light reflections on the wet pave. The plane must already have been exploding through breaking up. One victim was a lady from the UK.

In 2001, while being operated by Rio Sul it suffered a serious accident on landing after a flight in Brazil which, although it claimed no lives, meant that the plane had to undergo serious repairs.

Thanks for the info Zaphod, i was confused by the video and why the plane would/could nosedive on final approach. My initial reaction to the vid was nah! but only because i have made so many landings (as a passenger) i couldn't see how it could be possible ......now, i'm not so sure. Wow, hope i never have to experience anything like that

Just some more tidbits. The plane was 23 years old and had been used by seven other carriers before it got to Tatarstan Airlines. That means it was built in 1990 and is most likely a 737 Classic (just prior to the "Next Generation" series). The company is in financial trouble and there is some suspicion that they cut corners on maintenance. Government controls over airlines are much more lax in Russia than here and pilot training is also deficient.

Over 7700 737s have been delivered on orders of over 11,000. There have been 152 "hull loss" incidents and the 737 has been involved in 111 hijackings that took over 300 lives. The plane is built largely in Renton, Washington and they are turning out almost two per day at the present time. It is probably the most successful mid-range airplane out there.

This plane stalled, meaning basically that it was going too slowly for the wings to generate lift. Whether this was due to inclement weather, pilot error, or a physical defect is unknown at this time. Somehow the pilots allowed the plane to stall. That the black boxes were damaged upon impact will make the investigation more difficult. People from the NTSB and Boeing have gone over there to assist in the investigation.

Its sure got the flight profile of a rudder incident coming in at the angle it did, sure BB's may show something else its just difficult for me to see airspeed low enough for stall but storms do funny things aloft. What's "unstable approach" mean? flight control problems?

Kinda wonder also if prior damage repair left airframe tweaked making it fall off hard to one side in stall regime.

Good God, making a second circle to land approach is a ghastly error.
But its previous flight fro Kazan to Moscow reports some vibration prior to
landing.
looks like pilot error and technical failure coupled with bad wx.
Tragic and My condolences to the near ones of those perished