David Icke Responds to Mainstream Media Smear Attempt

reply to post by TrueBrit


If there was tons of physical evidence available to validate Icke's assertions then people like him would be redundant. Now much of it is in your face. When Icke began his hypothesis that a very rich and powerful elite existed that wanted to bring about one world gov't, people felt he should be institutionalized. Today it is commonly excepted that there is a ruling elite. The Rothschilds, Warburgs and other powerful people are not doing interviews, but this conspiracy is now in the face of anyone who wants to see it. Icke was a pioneer.
Anyone who talks UFO's being real is declared mentally unstable by the media. Millions have seen them and many have been abducted and there supposedly have been crashes. In 1980 in Rendlesham Forest military people were first hand witnesses and there have been UFO's over missile silos that activated and deactivated nukes. There are witnesses but no green men or craft in museums. Are you, poster, still in the gov't camp that this is a non existent phenomena?
If Icke was the crackpot you make him out to be then why did he start out as a majority of one and is now sold out wherever and whenever he speaks. Millions of People intuitively and collectively know that the world we see in MSM is not the real world and information that should be in the public domain is intentionally withheld under the umbrella of national security.
You claim not to know what his game is. His game is to tell the world that governments and the upper echelon are in bed together exploiting you through Babylon magic fiat money creation. He is telling you that you are being screwed by the system that wages war to enrich themselves and sacrifice lives for the benefit of whoever they worship. Icke is a watchman and that's what his game is. I am wondering what your game is?
Icke's evidence is gleaned from connecting the dots and seeing where we are headed. Of course he plagerizes the work of others. Isn't that what footnotes in books are all about. I am sure Icke earns a very good living doing what he does. If his work was not appreciated he would be out of a job.
It is very easy to be a critic and ridicule Icke. Please tell us why you are a better man than him and why you have a right to be so critical. Please feel free to present your evidence.

reply to post by TrueBrit


David Icke outs one of Britains celebrity legends as a peado,years before it came out and he just got lucky by his bizarre method of throwing dirt in any direction and hopefully it will stick?
Well my friend there are things such as law suits for being accused of these things and people get sued for far less,ask the likes of The Sun and The News Of The World etc and it strikes me that the people he's accusing of being in these demonic satanic rings never offer a murmer in response.

cayrichard
. When Icke began his hypothesis that a very rich and powerful elite existed that wanted to bring about one world gov't, people felt he should be institutionalized. Today it is commonly excepted that there is a ruling elite. The Rothschilds, Warburgs and other powerful people are not doing interviews, but this conspiracy is now in the face of anyone who wants to see it. Icke was a pioneer.

Icke was hardly the first to talk about a secret ruling elite.

In the U.S. that goes at least as far back as the Anti-Masonic Party in the early 1800s. It's an underlying current in American discourse throughout the history of the country. The John Birch Society has been around since 1960. The theories of a secret ruling elite have been common since the JFK assassination. I remember a lot of discussion of the Rothschilds, the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderbergers in the seventies and eighties well before Icke came on the scene. And Pat Robertson wrote about all this in a book called "The New World Order" in 1991 and he was a Republican candidate for President.

Just because some people became aware of these topics via Icke doesn't mean he was a "pioneer."

cayrichard
reply to post by TrueBrit

 

If there was tons of physical evidence available to validate Icke's assertions then people like him would be redundant. Now much of it is in your face. When Icke began his hypothesis that a very rich and powerful elite existed that wanted to bring about one world gov't, people felt he should be institutionalized. Today it is commonly excepted that there is a ruling elite. The Rothschilds, Warburgs and other powerful people are not doing interviews, but this conspiracy is now in the face of anyone who wants to see it. Icke was a pioneer.

What utter, unmitigated garbage. Lets just be real about this for a second. The rich few have lorded over the many for thousands of years, of which there is record that goes back an awful long way. Examples range from the powerful rulers of Egypt, to the establishment of workhouses in England, whose origins can be traced back to the Poor Law Act of 1388, which sought to address labour availability issues caused by the Black Death, and then the Poor Law Act of 1834, which sought to address a similar problem caused by agricultural technology advances,and bad harvests, in combination with the devastation of worker numbers during the Napoleonic Wars.

The examples go on, and there are limited characters to work with here. Get my drift? People have known about these things for generations, my grandfather knew them, his father, and his father before him, and my mother too. Nothing new there.

Anyone who talks UFO's being real is declared mentally unstable by the media. Millions have seen them and many have been abducted and there supposedly have been crashes. In 1980 in Rendlesham Forest military people were first hand witnesses and there have been UFO's over missile silos that activated and deactivated nukes. There are witnesses but no green men or craft in museums. Are you, poster, still in the gov't camp that this is a non existent phenomena?

Of course not. Sights have been seen, of that I have no doubt. My issue is that some people, Icke being one of them, like to entangle truth with untested theory, and make actual CLAIMS about these incidents, without actually having any reason, other than some decidedly shakey logic, to do so. It is enough that these things happen in my opinion, and there is no need to muddy the waters with predictions and possibilities, when what is needed is independant scientific research into the origins of these objects.

Until we get that, all the theorising in the world is not adding anything of any worth WHAT SO EVER, to the discussion, and prevents engineers and physicists of repute, being able to approach the subject without loosing credibility, by being associated with such spurious suggestions as are being made, often by people with little to no understanding of the sciences.

If Icke was the crackpot you make him out to be then why did he start out as a majority of one and is now sold out wherever and whenever he speaks. Millions of People intuitively and collectively know that the world we see in MSM is not the real world and information that should be in the public domain is intentionally withheld under the umbrella of national security.

Lets say a thousand and one people are in a room. One of them sets the other thousand a question. If one person works out the answer correctly, and the others are in factual error, what importance can you place on the opinion of an ignorant mass?

You claim not to know what his game is. His game is to tell the world that governments and the upper echelon are in bed together exploiting you through Babylon magic fiat money creation. He is telling you that you are being screwed by the system that wages war to enrich themselves and sacrifice lives for the benefit of whoever they worship. Icke is a watchman and that's what his game is. I am wondering what your game is?

Some flop haired former footballer has NOTHING to teach me about ANYTHING! I grew up with the reality of poverty, something Mr Icke either never experienced, or has not had to concern himself with for decades. His thinking is not new, and where he is factually correct he has not "pioneered" anything, merely parroted history.

He is not a saviour, or a guru, or a foreteller of fortunes, nor a seer into the past. He is yet another self important bastard who likes making money out of people, who are too bloody dim to see the truth for themselves, without some halfwitted tour guide to reality to help them on their way. I say screw them, and screw him too. I live on the raggedy edge of the issues he talks about, and for anyone to say they never knew about it before reading his work, merely marks them out as part of the problem, and not its solution.

Icke's evidence is gleaned from connecting the dots and seeing where we are headed. Of course he plagerizes the work of others. Isn't that what footnotes in books are all about. I am sure Icke earns a very good living doing what he does. If his work was not appreciated he would be out of a job.
It is very easy to be a critic and ridicule Icke. Please tell us why you are a better man than him and why you have a right to be so critical. Please feel free to present your evidence.

Sure. Evidence. Icke does not use EVIDENCE! Evidence can be tested in a lab, worked over with a microscope, peer reveiwed, stored for future examination, has legal rammifications when discovered. The man has never HAD any evidence worth a crap, about any particular thing, particularly his veiws on world government. He is nothing more than an alternative pundit, saying what he sees. The man is as familiar with a test tube, as I am with the feeling of being on the dark side of the moon.

I have a right to criticise because I come from the part of the population which gets the thin end of the stick, and I am seeing this man paid for writing about my life, and the lives of my people, the people I come from, the kind of people I grew up around, and making himself out to be the messiah of this age, when all he is, is a guy with an opinion, and not the merest capability to back it up with evidence.

When I see something I want to know more about, I take a sample jar, and a cotton swab, and I take samples. Like this...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

When HE sees something he wants to know more about, he forms an opinion, and goes looking for the answers he wants, and that is NOT helpful to any one of the subjects he speaks about.

Whether we are talking the impoverished people who suffer under the control of the elite, or the UFOlogy feild which suffers a lack of proper scientific rigour (thanks to people like him mostly) he makes all the things he comments on, harder to find solutions for by being the man he is. Whats worse, is that he makes money while holding the rest of us back. He has not freed anyone from ignorance, but has doomed us to more of it.

jaws1975
Now I have seen it all, the skeptics of ATS are now making up their own conspiracy theories. Did we enter the twilight zone or something? You all sound as kooky as the no planers right now, either that or it's just another serving of character assassination on icke. As you (skeptics) always say, "show the evidence" of icke promoting his show with this "fake" hit piece, or shut your pie holes.

Thank you.

Well said.

What is it that the so called skeptics keep saying about burden of truth?

Even if there is no actual link the idea that the MSM needs some sort of incident like this to slag David Dicke (sic) is nonsense - the man does it to himself every time he opens his mouth.

Bad reporting - maybe. A campaign to discredit Dicke (sic) because he is "close to the truth"? - pure self aggrandizement on his part - he is a legend in his own lunchtime and a joke except to his victims - who are the people who believe him!

If David Icke cared about the truth then he wouldn't of made up false claims about Freemasons and ban anyone who disagrees with him. The good thing for him is it's almost impossible to prove reptilians, hollow moon, hollow earth, and their is some secret group controlling freemasonry from within.

reply to post by newsaddict


Wait haven't they already done this to Icke , how many times can you try to convince the public a man is crazy to discredit them?

reply to post by TrueBrit


Your comment is rude and too emotional to be considered serious...also, no valid contra-arguments; there is a very old and lovely story about the frog and the well...this well was so big for the little frog, it thought the well was the whole big world...what would have happened to the poor frog if it saw the whole garden...mmmm head explodes

TrueBrit
It is deeply unfortunate in my opinion, because the way I see it, he has invalidated himself on so many occasions that a campaign of this magnitude is surely unnecessary in any case.

Well, someone in high places appears to disagree with you. TPTB don't target individuals in this manner for no reason.

He's obviously trodden on someone's toes, and considering he names many famous people as satanic, reptilian paedophiles and has never been charged with slander or sued for defamation of character, I'd say he has spoken the truth about someone and they didn't like it...

reply to post by pixelbob


"Check out these videos debunking David Icke:
www.youtube.com..."

How do you debunk a "man"? David Icke is a real, living human being, yes? Are you saying David Icke doesn't exist? Why not try "debunking" his facts, and his ideas, or something specific?

reply to post by MeTarzan


You're right pal. Thanks for pointing out the mistake. I forgot to mention the videos' subject because it was a youtube channel. Peace

reply to post by pixelbob


That's cool, don't know why I get so defensive about DI, probably because most of the "criticism" is so lame, not you, just in general. Broadstroke "wingnut-conspiracy theorist" kind of complaints with no real meat on them. If DI is just flat out demonstrably wrong about something, I'm all ears.

David's "gift," I guess, is "enabling" people to reexamine their presuppositions. Nothing wrong with that. Most of our cherished "presuppositions" are going down the drain, anyway.

He doesn't travel with a huge entourage. He lives rather cheaply, for an "international celebrity." He started with less than nothing (the ridicule of his fellow countrymen), and through hard work has actually made something of himself. Doubtful he's getting "rich," and no one can begrudge him making a living. He is in my estimation what I call a blue-collar scholar, the intelligent "working man's" writer and presenter.

And he blew the whistle on Britain's pedophile elites 20 years ago, which is no small claim to fame. Peace yourself.

reply to post by TrueBrit


Even if you dont like the way he dresses and his far out theories, the crap you say about him makes no sense at all. He is not out to ridicule CT and this should be plain as day. Yes he is eccentric but he is entitled to opinions just like anyone else.

I realise you have a broader problem that extends to people like eric von daniken. You claimed to have read his book at age of 12 and then realised there are massive gaps between the information in his book and what mainstream science and history portray. Well obviously "genius" there will be some gaps if only some people know *the secret knowledge*. That is where people like eric von daniken, alex jones and david icke come in TO TRY and make it more mainstream.

I have read enough of your posts to think you want change, YET YOU RAIL AGAINST THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BRING MEANINGFUL CHANGE. Thats #ing retarded.

(i dont care if the mods delete my post. sick of the hypocrisy on this site. full vent)

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


I have no problem with people who want meaningful change, as long as their every utterance seeks to enable it, and unless they keep comments and suggestions that would be UNHELPFUL to that cause, to themselves. He,Icke fails at that, as do most people who are widely thought of as visionary in CT circles.

If you cannot see why these people are holding the feilds of UFOlogy, and the project of re-distribution of power away from wealthy elite types, toward the majority, back from the progress they so desperately need, then I am very sorry about that, but I am not sorry for what I said about Icke.

pixelbob
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

 

I dont. But since you mentioned elite pedos in response to icke's suppossed hit publicity piece. I thought you were the one providing the info. I just assumed icke was not middle lower class. Oops pal. Sorry honestly I didnt read the Jimmy Saville references in ur earlier post reply

edit on 18-11-2013 by pixelbob because: Referred to David Icke as elite pedophile.

Its being rather months since the "Paedophile" expose of Jimmy Saville in the Mainstream News Media have you noticed anything?'

All the quietness surrounding it but when it comes low class Paedophile's caught in a biggest sting is somehow news?

Chris Patten: “The BBC gets bashed more than Assad”

On Google only 4 search results have appeared for Jimmy Saville.

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


Jimmy Saville was a protected man. He told Esquire magazine: "I am the eminence grise: the grey, shadowy figure in the background. The thing about me is I get things done and I work under cover."

Whatever secrets he knew, he took them all to his grave.

reply to post by Cobaltic1978


of course David looks like a quack. anyone who dares speak out is immediately ostracized and slandered.poopie

reply to post by datruthexists


And anyone who is a quack looks like a quack.

reply to post by newsaddict


UPDATE


Just look at the disgusting smear campaign that the mainstream media tabloid "The Mirror" continues to run against David "Man of the People" Icke.




It's absolutely outrageous that they would help promote his new TV and radio station!

Obviously they are trying to confuse Ickes followers into believing that Icke has been bought by TPTB, or that The Mirror is not an Illuminati owned mainstream media outlet.


Despicable.