Living it up on the tax payers dime a weeks worth of food stamps

NavyDoc


But that's a bit of a false dichotomy: that someone who objects to forced redistribution of wealth and government mandated and managed charity must be uncompassionate. Who is more selfish? One who wants to keep what he earned to take care of his family or someone who wants to take from him what he earned and use it to take care of someone else's family?

Objecting to large government handout programs does not make one uncompassionate nor selfish.


Objecting to one government handout program is not endorsement of other government programs. One can object to individual welfare in one thread and corporate welfare in another.

edit on 19-11-2013 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)

So what?

What do you suject happens to the weak, ill and disabled who really have no chance of work?

You just cut them adrift to die?

They need some support.

This isnt about redistribution it about makeing sure the most vunrable of socity does not suffer!

Ok you cut all welfare.

So what do you suggest you do will all the ill and disabled?

Just cutting them adrift is uncompassionate and selfish! Especialy when welfare for the sick and disbaled is only a very very small part of most countrys take bills! Hell if you cut you bloated milliary in half or stoped paying for fancy gadgets and TV for the lazy unemployed or stoped giveing billions away in foreign aid you could afford it and still cut taxes!

macman
reply to post by LDragonFire

 

The proof is the removal of funds from my paycheck.
Are you honestly pushing the old internet debating tactic of "Pictures, or it didn't happen"?

And what side am I on exactly???
It is kind of hard to loose an election, when you bribe the masses with free stuff.
Also, kind of hard to win the Rep side of the vote, when the GOP puts up RINOs.

So..........

And I never stated I was not for helping others. Again, another attempt to redefine my statements to fit your narrative.

As for being my neighbor?? Sentiment is the same. I don't want to live next to someone that relies solely on the Govt to provide them stuff and false securities in life. Let alone someone that justifies stealing from me, to provide for yourself.

And you've touched upon a very good point. The politicians who are generous with your paycheck are not "compassionate" at all. All they care about is buying votes and the various programs they push do earn them those votes. Once 51% of the public depends on governmental largess, the politicians who give it to them will never be voted out of office and they know it.

reply to post by crazyewok


Yeah, so the Govt still has to set the standards, for the Docs to grade upon.

Your still steering towards Larger Govt. Regardless how much you protest that you aren't.

As for being stuck with it?? I guess, until the money runs dry.

crazyewok

NavyDoc


But that's a bit of a false dichotomy: that someone who objects to forced redistribution of wealth and government mandated and managed charity must be uncompassionate. Who is more selfish? One who wants to keep what he earned to take care of his family or someone who wants to take from him what he earned and use it to take care of someone else's family?

Objecting to large government handout programs does not make one uncompassionate nor selfish.


Objecting to one government handout program is not endorsement of other government programs. One can object to individual welfare in one thread and corporate welfare in another.

edit on 19-11-2013 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)

So what?

What do you suject happens to the weak, ill and disabled who really have no chance of work?

You just cut them adrift to die?

They need some support.

This isnt about redistribution it about makeing sure the most vunrable of socity does not suffer!

Ok you cut all welfare.

So what do you suggest you do will all the ill and disabled?

Just cutting them adrift is uncompassionate and selfish! Especialy when welfare for the sick and disbaled is only a very very small part of most countrys take bills! Hell if you cut you bloated milliary in half or stoped paying for fancy gadgets and TV for the lazy unemployed or stoped giveing billions away in foreign aid you could afford it and still cut taxes!

edit on 19-11-2013 by crazyewok because: (no reason given)

Is it selfish to cut them adrift? What about their families? Communities? Friends? Those who cry alligator tears about it but don't want to reach into their own pocketbook themselves?

If we only had a safety net for the truly disabled and cut out all of the lazy non-workers and the "my back hurts too much to go to work but I can play basketball fine or I got PTSD from watching CNN" fake disabled, then you might have a point, but Mac also still has a point--he is responsible enough to take care of himself and his family, why should be be punished or castigated for that?

Certainly we should cut off foreign aid, stop being the world's policeman, and stop subsidizing every cause under the sun in addition to cutting welfare and SSDI and other entitlement programs. Taxes would be low and the economy would be so much better than no one would have an excuse not to work or get by because there would be so much more opportunity.

NavyDoc

Is it selfish to cut them adrift? What about their families? Communities? Friends? Those who cry alligator tears about it but don't want to reach into their own pocketbook themselves?

Because not everyone has a loving supportive family, not everyone lives in a Community that is careing or rich enough to support someone ect.

NavyDoc
cut out all of the lazy non-workers and the "my back hurts too much to go to work but I can play basketball fine or I got PTSD from watching CNN" fake disabled, then you might have a point,

And Im all for that. Why doctors should be able to make that descion with strict penatlys for corrupting the system.

NavyDoc
but Mac also still has a point--he is responsible enough to take care of himself and his family, why should be be punished or castigated for that?

If the system was shaken up to gets the frauds out of it them I hardly call paying a few cents punishment, hell if you cut spending in other areas import taxes would pay for it.

NavyDoc
no one would have an excuse not to work or get by because there would be so much more opportunity.

Im not talking about the unmeployed here, only those too ill to work or every hope to get employment.

NavyDoc
Is it selfish to cut them adrift? What about their families? Communities? Friends? Those who cry alligator tears about it but don't want to reach into their own pocketbook themselves?

By Jove! My heart almost bursts with joy! You are, like me, a socialist Sir!

Because it are socialists that think that municipalities, cities, counties or countries - communities - should be responsible for proper care for the sick, elderly and unemployed. Socialists feel - like you seem to do - that all should pay a fair share of the costs involved, so that "those who cry alligator tears" can not hide and have to "reach into their own pocketboosk themselves".

You almost fooled me, but now I see

reply to post by macman

Those people eating do nothing for me, except remove additoonal money from my paycheck.

You may end up in the same situation yourself one day, and then one's foot may end up in one's mouth.

And you should care about the 'additoonal' money given to those less fortunate, it's called charity and compassion and everybody should be entitled to it when times are tough.

Thank Yoda that you aren't on the bottom wrung of society, and maybe you should question where your tax dollars really go before you start blaming the 'moochers' for stealing your hard earned dollars.

Thecakeisalie

You may end up in the same situation yourself one day, and then one's foot may end up in one's mouth.

Thats what makes me laugh.

Unless he has $500,000 tucked away then all it would take is for his kids to develop some chronic genetic condition that he can wave goodbye to everything he owns just for the medical bills, and unless he wanted his familiy to stave then it goverment help.

That is of course unless he he is as cold hearted as he seems and just put a bullet through the sick kid head as a usless eater.

ForteanOrg

NavyDoc
Is it selfish to cut them adrift? What about their families? Communities? Friends? Those who cry alligator tears about it but don't want to reach into their own pocketbook themselves?

By Jove! My heart almost bursts with joy! You are, like me, a socialist Sir!

Because it are socialists that think that municipalities, cities, counties or countries - communities - should be responsible for proper care for the sick, elderly and unemployed. Socialists feel - like you seem to do - that all should pay a fair share of the costs involved, so that "those who cry alligator tears" can not hide and have to "reach into their own pocketboosk themselves".

You almost fooled me, but now I see

Now, now, since you made me laugh quite heartily in that other thread, I have promised myself not to argue with you for the rest of the year. Happy Holidays!

reply to post by Thecakeisalie


No, charity is voluntary.

What the Govt provides is slavery, bought with theft.

You really need to get your stuff straight.

I have yet to see where the Govt is compassionate, as with what the Govt gives, it comes with strings attached. I guess you are okay with living your life in this manner.

Don't forget, since I am basically your bankroll, I in turn should be able to tell you what you can and can't do.

reply to post by crazyewok


**Sigh** yep, because that is exactly what was conveyed.

Nothing like going from not wanting to be stolen from, to my kids dieing to tug the heart strings.

macman
So, please proceed then. Or are you just waxing the light fantastic.

Sure, why not.

That is nice and all, but what is your point?
So I guess that those with money don't contribute in other means.
You are very one sided in your view of wealthy people.
And since you seemingly have written off the application of money as a factor in society, you then have no problem leaving my money alone.

You are minimizing my perspective to fit into some box you have already labelled me. The issue is far deeper than you seem to understand. Example: Money is only a form of resource exchange, it can and does happen in other viable ways. But this is not being used to help people in need. I can go into this more, but you obviously are having a conversation with someone in your head that you have created.

Geez, sounds exactly like what I am saying.

Yeah, you would be surprised at how similar it is if you actually read what I was saying.

Excuse me???
My want to keep the money I earned is creating this??
Now I know that you are just a Progressive ideologue.

I was talking about the government programs, why would you think everything is about you?

Honestly, do you and other Progressives share a brain, or just run with monthly talking points.

From your perspective, the answer is obvious. Despite reality being quite different...

Just because I don't offer a solution, or one that you would like, doesn't mean I need to be silent in the wrong doings that are happening.
MY money is being stolen by the Govt to give to others. That is theft in any other aspect of life.

You realize that to receive assistance, you must pay into the system first, correct? And that in accordance to what has been paid in, that is what you receive. Regardless, the system is BROKEN. Let me repeat that; THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN.

Yeah, again, the typical Progressive response. Because I want lower taxes and smaller Govt, I in turn want no rules and so on.
Let me remind you, I am the one working a job, building a business, sleeping 5 hours a night only to have someone like you attempt to berate me when I say I am tired of paying for others journey in life.

You arent even remotely catching what I am throwing here. Nor do you seem to understand how the actual system works, or what percentage of your paycheck actually goes to things, or what things you should actually be angry about. Not only do I want smaller government and lower taxes, I go beyond that in wanting the taxes that ARE paid to be used efficiently. But, you automatically disagree due to some thing you have in your mind. It seems the plan is working splendidly on parts of the population.

Yeah, this isn't an OWS rally. You will not get anything from me in regards to this.

So, you are entirely against providing support in real life terms, like cooking education, efficient shopping practices, nutrition, gardening, etc because you want it to STAY as just throwing money at the problem? That makes no sense to me, perhaps you can explain. So, when you say you dont want to help people and government is helping to create abusers, and I say we should create a system that enables citizens to be self sufficient and independent, we are agreeing. But I was obviously right about the "red-zone"

But......how will you possible do this without Govt help, and my money????

That wasnt my point, and you are off on some tirade of your own making. By creating dependence, we stifle education, creativity, and innovation. The governmental systems do this.

I will wait, patiently in the corner for such a release.

Would you mind putting it, in writing, that such things coming from a lower bracket will not be used by you? I would consider it theft, since otherwise, you would be receiving all of the results of my hard work for free.

ColeYounger
The abuses within the food stamp and welfare programs are INSANE. I routinely see "poor" people use their SNAP\EBT cards to buy groceries, and then leave the store in a $60,000 vehicle adorned with $3000 wheels.

If the govt would weed these parasitic pieces of excrement out of the system, there would be more for those who really need it. As a taxpayer, this really bugs me. By the same token, I'll gladly pay my fair share to help truly needy folks.

Well, these are state run and administered programs, so why doesn't your state crack down on it? Probably because the state doesn't have the money to do so, or doesn't want to spend the money it would take to do so. A couple states set up a drug test for benefits program, but the thrifty food stamp abuser saves some cash for the masking agent to take before going in to renew benefits...

reply to post by macman


Ah.. my situation I got through, and am happy that I am working again... no, I don't think strangers are responsible for me... but its what we are told we pay taxes for... its why I paid them, its why you paid them, so that one portion goes to help people in need.

your right, I found out very quickly that the government isn't helping those in need... found that out the hard way....

At the same time, I will always give all I am able to others I know who are in need... I would not wish what I went through on anyone... not everyone in this world ends up with family to help them... and no matter how we achieve that help for others... something needs to be there...

Whether it is from our churches and other religious institutions, or government, or something, some way... people in this country shouldn't be allowed to go hungry... not when this nation seems to believe it has unlimited funds for everything else that is unnecessary... like mechanical bulls in the middle of the government shut down...

Why cant we as a nation figure out a workable solution to helping each other? Once, people had that capacity. They didn't need a government to do it... now no one wants to do it...not government or people.

I just think we need better solutions in this country... rather than anger... if we are going to be angry, it should be at those who are scamming the government system, and those who allow or promote such a thing. But we cannot be so blinded with anger that we aren't helping our neighbors at all because of it.

BTW, all this is why I said I am somewhere in between... I am at neither extreme... you and those you are arguing with are at extreme ends of the spectrum. I am somewhere in the middle.

Daughter2

macman
reply to post by LDragonFire

 

No, others don't take care of me. I don't receive Govt handouts. Never have.
And spare me the whole "Well, what if you did", or "It may happen" crap.
I will not take Govt handouts. I have planed accordingly in life. Others should and need to do the same.

You don't receive Govt handouts? So you have your own private roads, security force, fire department, do quality checks on your own water and food, and conduct your own medical research? Do you deduct your children or home interest? I bet if your kid had cancer, you would refuse any treatments paid for with Govt funds?

You get PLENTY of government benefits - but since they haven't yet been labeled as benefits.

As for your plans, haha........NO ONE IS IMMUNE FROM NEEDING HELP!

Extremely good point, you won't hear any of them admitting to that though. They want their cake and eat it too as the old saying goes. It's pathetic how these people think. Almost every pill you take was created because your government subsidized and or paid for the research. How many would die without food inspection and protection. It literally touches every aspect of your life but they don't want to talk about that, no they would rather get rid of epa, fda, etc. Put that in perspective, would you like your air to look like china's right now.

I mean some of these whacko want to destroy this country. Their leader, ted Cruz, has accepted the anointing as king of the government. You can't make this stuff up, he and they, are that crazy.

Again I think all the poor bashing and negative crap has been a sad look at how our society is divided. Really sad...

The Bot

This whole thread is ridiculous and really epitomizes what is wrong with America today. Millions of Americans who work and earn a paycheck have 1/3 of it taken away, run through a terribly corrupt and inefficient government system, and then handed to people like the OP to (hopefully) buy food. And how does this person feel about taking money from others who worked and earned it to feed himself? He complains and whines about it. Those of us who work don't get all the food we want to buy either! Like everyone else is getting steak and you're not?? We can't afford that stuff and we actually earn an income.

dlbott

Daughter2

macman
reply to post by LDragonFire

 

No, others don't take care of me. I don't receive Govt handouts. Never have.
And spare me the whole "Well, what if you did", or "It may happen" crap.
I will not take Govt handouts. I have planed accordingly in life. Others should and need to do the same.

You don't receive Govt handouts? So you have your own private roads, security force, fire department, do quality checks on your own water and food, and conduct your own medical research? Do you deduct your children or home interest? I bet if your kid had cancer, you would refuse any treatments paid for with Govt funds?

You get PLENTY of government benefits - but since they haven't yet been labeled as benefits.

As for your plans, haha........NO ONE IS IMMUNE FROM NEEDING HELP!

Extremely good point, you won't hear any of them admitting to that though. They want their cake and eat it too as the old saying goes. It's pathetic how these people think. Almost every pill you take was created because your government subsidized and or paid for the research. How many would die without food inspection and protection. It literally touches every aspect of your life but they don't want to talk about that, no they would rather get rid of epa, fda, etc. Put that in perspective, would you like your air to look like china's right now.

I mean some of these whacko want to destroy this country. Their leader, ted Cruz, has accepted the anointing as king of the government. You can't make this stuff up, he and they, are that crazy.

Again I think all the poor bashing and negative crap has been a sad look at how our society is divided. Really sad...

The Bot

Do you see any posts from tax payers whining and complaining about fire departments or roads or cancer treatments? But you do see them from people whining about food stamps and unemployment and welfare.

As far as destroying the country there won't be anything left by the time Obama is gone so why worry about Cruz or anyone else?

TheWrightWing
Welcome to the progressive utopia (The Glorious World of Next Tuesday!), komrade.

What you have there is a huge improvement over the old state-provided daily turnip the proletariat used to get. Progress!

I bet you're thinking you should continue to vote for the party who promises to give ever more scraps, er I mean, uh... Riches?

If you are experiencing difficulty adjusting to life in the peoples utopia, you're in luck!

Re-educate yourself at once!: thepeoplescube.com...

Don't forget: Big brother loves you.

lol... you write this as if not enough money for foodstamps is the fault of the "progressives" aka "liberals."


But wait a minute... aren't the liberals (aka "closet commie socialists") the ones who support filthy socialist programs like foodstamps...?

....and the Conservatives typically being against such "entitlement programs?"



Am I remembering all this wrong?



Please do tell me how support for the conservatives, rather than the "evil socialist liberals" (who support these programs) would improve the situation.

reply to post by wantsome


Lets get real here.

Damn why do you all get sucked into fighting over the breadcrumbs?

When you know damn well where all the money goes that should be going to the people.

If you don't well look here:-

They make you squabble amongst yourselves over scraps , shhhish.

en.wikipedia.org...

Eat bullets and military hardware , the Governments got loads of it to share around the U.S and the World.

Nice little devil number there 666

iwilliam

Please do tell me how support for the conservatives, rather than the "evil socialist liberals" (who support these programs) would improve the situation.

Its very simple, leftists in power = ever more job killing and economy collapsing policies for the purpose of ever larger segments of the populace dependent on government 'benevolence' which in turn creates a larger voter base of people who will vote for ever more scraps and expansion of government power for the illusion of safety, until the dependent class out numbers the productive class.

What was the last number of entitled dependents from the last election? 47% I believe.

Is there any reason to believe that number will ever diminish?