Is religion a mental disorder?

wildtimes
Perhaps not, but each person has their reasons for "not admitting" things about themselves.

They can do whatever they like but when they derail, misdirect, use biblical passages and ignore the OP material...THEN it becomes a problem and that's pretty much what every single one of them has done with only one or two exceptions.

For whatever it's worth, I'll keep planting seeds. One never knows when they might "take." Someday a load of fertile soil might show up and allow it to sprout, long after I've left the area. Science has proven that.

I'm not. It's a total waste of time. It would take trauma or therapy for them to change and I am not counting on them recieving either. When I do this...I am speaking to agnostics who might have a better chance of breaking free of the ignorance of god. The religious are lost to me...like Latin is a dead language.

-Peace-

reply to post by Eryiedes


Well, then perhaps you need to find another outlet for your frustration?

An OP with a title such as this one is "baiting" to begin with. People will read the headline, and jump automatically to a defensive stance if the question - the very QUESTION - arouses their insecurities. A person who looks at the title of the OP will have 'answers' already in mind.

Questioning a person's "ideology" is something that those who DEPEND on their ideology to be true are not comfortable with.

And, just btw, I see lots of anger, frustration, hostility and impatience coming from your posts. Which is a "projection" of your own internal debate or ideology. Is that intended?

wildtimes
I think you might be taking the videos a little further than the producer would have intended.

Obviously he is taking things to an extreme.

"ANYTHING taken to an extreme is a mental disorder." -Wildtimes

Popular, mainstream religion is a defense mechanism against profound religious experiences. But, we need profound religious experiences (dangerous as they are) or society goes crazy. Sort of like how we need to dream.

I think I am going to take it upon myself to diagnose industrialized society with a disorder - soul loss.

"In our culture, soul loss is occurring to various people all the time. Thankfully, sometimes the parts return spontaneously after time (after illness, grief, periods of withdrawal, etc.). However, most people are walking around missing portions (sometimes very generous portions) of their essence, partially because there is a lack of persons trained to note when loss has occurred and return the essence to the body."

liberatedlifecoaching.com...

If Religion was a solid structure and your thoughts were made of water,
It would be like building a dam in the river of your mind.

It doesn't make it disorganized but rather more complicated to undo.

reply to post by wildtimes


Check your PM's.

-Peace-

reply to post by wildtimes

All we can do is plant the seeds and water them from time to time.

I agree with much of what you say, but, what kinds of seeds have you been planting?

reply to post by Stormdancer777

what kinds of seeds have you been planting?

Not sure if this is a veiled attack or not.

"Planting seeds" for me means 'making suggestions', 'presenting ideas'. It's simply food for thought. If someone doesn't want to hear it, so be it. But sometimes it only takes one sentence, one gesture, one idea, to eventually get people to think about things further than they would if they don't ever leave their "comfort zones." It might not even occur to them "where", "when", "how", or "from whom" they heard it.



I assure you, they are non-toxic. Just in case that was what you suspected.

BlueMule


I think I am going to take it upon myself to diagnose industrialized society with a disorder - soul loss.

"In our culture, soul loss is occurring to various people all the time. Thankfully, sometimes the parts return spontaneously after time (after illness, grief, periods of withdrawal, etc.). However, most people are walking around missing portions (sometimes very generous portions) of their essence, partially because there is a lack of persons trained to note when loss has occurred and return the essence to the body."

liberatedlifecoaching.com...

edit on 25-11-2013 by BlueMule because: (no reason given)

Stripping of soul from your body is a very profound and intensely physical experience,
and only the Blood of Jesus and His Mighty Grace can do that and thereafter
You are free of your sin laden soul.
For The lord Said : When I set you free, you shall be free indeed.
Praise The Lord

wildtimes
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

what kinds of seeds have you been planting?

Not sure if this is a veiled attack or not.

"Planting seeds" for me means 'making suggestions', 'presenting ideas'. It's simply food for thought. If someone doesn't want to hear it, so be it. But sometimes it only takes one sentence, one gesture, one idea, to eventually get people to think about things further than they would if they don't ever leave their "comfort zones." It might not even occur to them "where", "when", "how", or "from whom" they heard it.



I assure you, they are non-toxic. Just in case that was what you suspected.

edit on 11/25/13 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)

No no attack, when do I ever attack?

Are you trying to influences people to become atheist?

reply to post by Angelic Resurrection

Um ... I"m not sure if I'm following what you say ....
Are you saying that a body can run around 'soul-less'??
You are Christian and according to your faith ... that's not possible.
YOU are the SOUL. It's the real you.
(according to Christianity ... which you are, right?)
So I don't think I understand what you just said.

wildtimes
I assure you, they are non-toxic.

You aren't a 'toxic poster'.
Toxic posters usually have 'disorders' (they can't function correctly in polite board conversations).
Thankfully, toxic posters usually end up eventually being banned.

Stormdancer777
Are you trying to influences people to become atheist?

I don't think wildtimes is atheist. She's Unitarian.

wildtimes
reply to post by SisyphusRide

 

I posted some links to an interesting question I wouldn't mind seeing you try to tackle... if you can tackle all the variables of the human being in question not being your own subject.

it can easily be deduced that William J. Murray was exposed to extremism, a radical transformation from not only what is natural in the human development, but from the reality of the social norms which surrounded him.

After some time and with independence he searched for the truth and found it.

Well, first of all, yes, I can tackle it. Happy to. It's called a "case study." EVERYONE is a "case study"...whether they like the 'label' or not, whether they KNOW they are the 'subject' or not. Perhaps you are unaware that I actually have training and the credentials to "tackle" the variables. I will look through the material on Murray.

But from just your quick treatment of it, I would insist that he has "mother issues" that run far deeper than the 'religious' acting out of their little drama.

It works both ways.

I usually do not consider the Freudian methodology, I prefer Carl Jung's approach.

there are too many variables for a case study on a human being unless that is they have truly been a lifelong subject, your own child for instance.

Freud was generally a creepy character, a coc aine addict and often giving a diagnosis just to force treatment on his subjects... money was involved here more so than his caring for the well being of his subjects.

the mother issues do not work because case study can not be applied to individuals in a psychiatric setting. Everyone is different and their own individual, no two 3lbs of grey matter are the same we are all very unique.

I honestly believe you should get a refund, you are lacking both perspectives. There are more people who act as psychiatrists to their peers, than all the so called professionals of this pseudoscience in the world combined... peers use a different method, and a more successful one at that.

reply to post by Stormdancer777

Are you trying to influences people to become atheist?

LOL!!!!
Erm....

no. If anything, as FlyersFan said, I'm a Unitarian Universalist. But actually I guess I could also fit in with "New Agers".

I'm trying to "influence" people to think about their worldview, to deconstruct it, to examine their upbringing and their responses to the world. That's all. MANY people have "coping mechanisms" that are counterproductive. That worked - to some extent - for them, until their lives become unmanageable, and those 'skills' rather than helping, CAUSE problems. It's not until someone finally realizes HOW they developed those skills and applied them, that they can revisit the construction of those skills and make obsolete the ones that clearly are "backfiring" and creating problems FOR THEM - then they can learn new 'mechanisms'.

Angelic Resurrection

BlueMule


I think I am going to take it upon myself to diagnose industrialized society with a disorder - soul loss.

"In our culture, soul loss is occurring to various people all the time. Thankfully, sometimes the parts return spontaneously after time (after illness, grief, periods of withdrawal, etc.). However, most people are walking around missing portions (sometimes very generous portions) of their essence, partially because there is a lack of persons trained to note when loss has occurred and return the essence to the body."

liberatedlifecoaching.com...

edit on 25-11-2013 by BlueMule because: (no reason given)

Stripping of soul from your body is a very profound and intensely physical experience,
and only the Blood of Jesus and His Mighty Grace can do that and thereafter
You are free of your sin laden soul.
For The lord Said : When I set you free, you shall be free indeed.
Praise The Lord

I'm making my diagnosis based on my qualifications as a shaman, and so you as a mainstream Christian would need to temporarily set aside your concepts in order to grok the ancient shamanic concept of soul loss and soul retrieval. I'll completely understand if you decline to do that, or if you insist on only looking at soul loss and soul retrieval through the filter of your local concepts.

"Animals and people experience soul loss in many ways. Each individual spirit has its own definition of ‘trauma’, but some of the common causes are near-death experiences, extreme illness or injury, surgery, loss of a loved one, war time stress, or any kind of abuse. As a survival mechanism, parts of the soul may leave during the event, helping the psyche cope with the experience. Some of the symptoms that may reflect this are extreme anxiety, chronic depression or fear, chronic illness, dissociation, aggression or just the feeling that one is scattered or ‘not playing with a full deck’. A person might say, “I’ve never been the same since…”

www.practicalshamanism.com...

reply to post by SisyphusRide

I usually do not consider the Freudian methodology, I prefer Carl Jung's approach.

I didn't say anything about Freud, and I don't follow his methodology either.

I folllow "Family Systems" methodology. Every one of us has a "family system" - the system in which we were brought up when we depended on adults for every need.

When one looks at PATTERNS of interactions as exhibited in families, one can see that relationships with important figures of authority (a parent, in this case, a mother) create a cycle.

I didn't say anything about Mr Murray being "sexually bothered" by his mother.

I was thinking more in terms of "Mommy Dearest", and "Sybil" (the multiple personality sufferer).

People have "styles" of interacting. This man's mother may well have been completely domineering, controlling, negative and so entrenched in her own 'issues' that she was not only "unavailable" emotionally for her son, but refused to recognize his own sensitivities/sensibilities or to adjust her parenting to better work WITH his.

reply to post by wildtimes

An OP with a title such as this one is "baiting" to begin with. People will read the headline, and jump automatically to a defensive stance if the question - the very QUESTION - arouses their insecurities. A person who looks at the title of the OP will have 'answers' already in mind.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who can see that as plain as day. When a combative title is chosen to deliberately bait a whole segment of a population in a personal way, just what is expected in reply?

Suggesting a fair % of the people alive today and ever having lived are victims of mental disease or defect is about as combative a starting place as I can imagine. I'm really just happy to see more didn't take deeper offense than happened already. Still, absolutely amazing to me that some don't understand why offense would be a natural result to expect.

* It's always interesting to me that people railing against religion the hardest for it being intolerant and unwilling to permit other views .....never stop to listen to themselves in relation to their own advice. Even for a moment. Problems might solve themselves, if more did. Eh?

reply to post by SisyphusRide

there are too many variables for a case study on a human being unless that is they have truly been a lifelong subject, your own child for instance.

Incorrect.

A skilled counselor learns to listen and identify 'hot buttons' (unless the person refuses to talk about it).

Dude, seriously. Were you, or are you now, a counselor? It's a matter of pinpointing the reasons for the unease that brought (or pushed) the client into a counselor's presence to begin with.

A skilled therapist is educated on MANY different theories (we hope -- but MANY are not), and uses the ones that are most effective in dealing with the problem at hand.

reply to post by wildtimes


it would have taken a group of peers to cure Freud's physiological and psychological addiction to his drug habit. His own case study of himself couldn't even cure that...

I draw my opinions only by what others say of themselves, you're very E.P. and Case Study minded, it is disrespectful to disregard individuality..

reply to post by SisyphusRide

I honestly believe you should get a refund, you are lacking both perspectives. There are more people who act as psychiatrists to their peers, than all the so called professionals of this pseudoscience in the world combined... peers use a different method, and a more successful one at that.

Dude, you have no place to "judge" my methods.

I am a "peer" on these forums. And frankly, you are using ad-hom nonsense to try to discredit me. Fail.

you're very E.P. and Case Study minded, it is disrespectful disregard to individuality.

WHAT?!!!!! LOLOLOL!!

That is a load of crap. I don't even know what you mean by E.P....but you are dead wrong about my approach to life and to the uniqueness of EVERY INDIVIDUAL. Try reading my posts; or don't. I don't care, and I don't need your "approval".

Back off of me, or I will alert you.

wildtimes
reply to post by SisyphusRide

 

I honestly believe you should get a refund, you are lacking both perspectives. There are more people who act as psychiatrists to their peers, than all the so called professionals of this pseudoscience in the world combined... peers use a different method, and a more successful one at that.

Dude, you have no place to "judge" my methods.

I am a "peer" on these forums. And frankly, you are using ad-hom nonsense to try to discredit me. Fail.

it's not a judgment... it's an observation.