Is even half of this true? Cause if it is how can the USA even call itself a "democracy" or a rep

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welcome to taxation without representation america.

I think you guys used to have an idea of what to do in this kind of situation but that was a long time ago...

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It's all more or less true but the US system can still function.

It can operate as a "game system" of checks and balances as long as no one entity can know every personal detail about every single judge and politician and use that to extort them.

Oh. really? Snowden? um... never mind.

So the idea is that, regardless of all of the political chicanery that might get bad people elected and bad legislation passed, these nine impartial judges, the greatest legal minds of their time, are able to keep things from going too wrong.

Impartial huh?

Slush fund accounts of major US politicians identified and seized at Vatican Bank (Rome). Connection established with Daniel Dal Bosco RICO indictment, which cites Giancarlo Bruno, Silvio Berlusconi & Ban Ki Moon. On Wednesday 5th January 2011, it emerged that US establishment-related slush fund accounts had been located in, and seized from, the Vatican Bank in Rome. The source of funds for these accounts in almost every instance was found to be the US Treasury.

Beneficiaries of the covert Vatican accounts include Barack Obama, Michelle Obama and each of the Obama children, Michelle Obama’s mother, all the Bushes and the Clintons, including Chelsea Clinton, Joe Biden, Timothy Geithner, Janet Napolitano, several US Senators, including Mitch McConnell, several US Congressmen including John Boehner, several US Military Chiefs of Staff, the US Provost Marshal, the US Judge Advocate General, the US Supreme Court Chief Justice, John Roberts, several US Judges, the Pope, and several cardinals. Big money was found in each of the accounts.

seeker401.wordpress.com... legatus-split/

Notice toward the end of the snippet, the mention of Supreme Court Chief Justice, John Roberts. I think he had the largest slush fund account according to the article. Our country has been bought and sold and the major name-brand politicians from both parties are involved. We've been betrayed and it's way past time for some serious payback.

Please note that the US was never a democracy. The US is a Republic in which the rights of the individual is supposed to be protected from mob rule (democracy).

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YA talk about messed up people are so ignorant they do not even understand this is not a democracy and was never meant to be one.





America is a republic ruled by law not a democracy. Let's really understand what that means and then start ranting.

Asktheanimals
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Or just read the link its pretty self-explanatory. Its a long artical and it would be very hard to sum it up ,at least with the limited time I have (you know work and earning money) shen you can just read it.

I think my opinion was very simpley put. If true what the hell!


Anyway added more.

Is even half of this true? Cause if it is how can the USA even call itself a "democracy"?

We don't call ourselves a democracy, never have. We are however a Republic.

monkofmimir
welcome to taxation without representation america.

I think you guys used to have an idea of what to do in this kind of situation but that was a long time ago...

You mean refuse to pay for the defense and upkeep of their colonies, falsely label them "taxes", appropriate rights given to Englishmen for themselves when they had no right to expect the same level of importance, start a war, run crying and bitching to the French, Dutch and Spanish with some BS sob story about tyranny, then spend the next 250 years bragging over a victory they played no part in?

juspassinthru

Please note that the US was never a democracy. The US is a Republic in which the rights of the individual is supposed to be protected from mob rule (democracy).

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Which I alway found funny as you politicans always refer to it as a democracy or when it starts one of its wars claims its "bring them democracy"

Anway it looks like you dont wben have a working Republic. I dont know what it , is there even a name for what you have?

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"Supreme Court justices for life" went against the grain of the founding fathers but they had to allow it. The original Founders wanted them to be elected to terms like the president, Senate and House. They understood the problems with permanent tenure but had to compromise to get other things (like the Bill of Rights). Being in "office" for life was a hold over from the many elements that supported the English crown.

Long live the King.

So we're stuck. Once appointed, Judges are there for life. Come to think of it, most representatives these days are reinstated despite numerous elections. Hmmm…

Somewhere I read that they have a higher percentage of remaining in office than Politbutro members did in the Soviet Union.

Carreau

Is even half of this true? Cause if it is how can the USA even call itself a "democracy"?

We don't call ourselves a democracy, never have. We are however a Republic.

edit on 15-11-2013 by Carreau because: (no reason given)

I know that! Hence why Democracy was put as "democracy".

But tell your politicans that. As theu call the USA a democracy all the time.


Plus did you read the link? Cause according to that you dont even have a working republic!

The United States is NOT a Democracy. It never HAS been a Democracy and it just grates to hear the utter ignorance of people I know have taken their PLS requirements to know better, still calling it something it is not.

Democracy would be direct voting for leaders and laws by the people ...and we'd be a nation ruled almost entirely from the leading 13-15 metro areas by population and amassed political power among those areas alone.

What we have is a representative Republic, which sounds like a distinction without a difference to some, but it's a DRAMATIC difference. So, the points the OP article points to as weakness are what I think actually give the system it's strength. It's a messy thing at times, but then, England has had far worse history for what happens when Monarchy goes sideways and the King turns out to be a Sadist.

crazyewok
Anway it looks like you dont wben have a working Republic. I dont know what it , is there even a name for what you have?

Remnants of a republic post-coup?

More realistically, perhaps we should just call it a National Mafia, because there damn-sure is no legitimacy left.

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I read your link and that OPINION piece was so simplistic and full of half truths I don't even know where to begin. I don't start threads complaining about British politics for a couple of reasons.

1. I don't care

2. It's none of my business and

3. I clean up my own yard before looking over my neighbor's fence.

Why don't you try giving any/all three of those a whirl?

Wrabbit2000
The United States is NOT a Democracy. It never HAS been a Democracy and it just grates to hear the utter ignorance of people I know have taken their PLS requirements to know better, still calling it something it is not.

Democracy would be direct voting for leaders and laws by the people ...and we'd be a nation ruled almost entirely from the leading 13-15 metro areas by population and amassed political power among those areas alone.

What we have is a representative Republic, which sounds like a distinction without a difference to some, but it's a DRAMATIC difference. So, the points the OP article points to as weakness are what I think actually give the system it's strength. It's a messy thing at times, but then, England has had far worse history for what happens when Monarchy goes sideways and the King turns out to be a Sadist.

I have to disgree 100% how can a system be strong (at least in a freedom sense and Anti Tyranny sense) when polticans are in position that when voted in its almost impossible to shift them because of twisted voteing bounderys. And how can a system be anywere near fair if only 2 partys can dominate the senate and lock out other partys. Why bother voteing? Why dont just give senators there positions for life and let there children take over from there jobs? (which seems to happen in some areas anyway).


Republic or Democracy? Either way now you seemjust sheep at the mercy of thier huge faceless bureaucratic goverment

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I know that! Hence why Democracy was put as "democracy".

But tell your politicans that. As they call the USA a democracy all the time.

Calling US a "Democracy" is one of the disinformation tactics used against the people. Officiladom knows that, they promote the term like you said.

We are supposed to be a Republic. "Rep"resentatives of the "Public" voted into office by Democratic means.

Calling it a 'democracy' is a misnomer. But it does effectively remove the word "public" from the equation.

Carreau
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I read your link and that OPINION piece was so simplistic and full of half truths I don't even know where to begin. I don't start threads complaining about British politics for a couple of reasons.

1. I don't care

2. It's none of my business and

3. I clean up my own yard before looking over my neighbor's fence.

Why don't you try giving any/all three of those a whirl?

edit on 15-11-2013 by Carreau because: (no reason given)

So, your whole argument is: "You can't talk about our politics because you are a foreigner.".

Hahaha. Good luck with that one.

Carreau
I don't start threads complaining about British politics for a couple of reasons.

Here my three points
1) International forum, Dont like it join a American only forum.
2) American politica affects ME seeing as you nation bully ever other and has the UK under its thunb
3) Free speach so spin on it.

So why dont you go and shot something or wave your flag around abit?.