Humans do NOT come from Earth – and sunburn, bad backs and pain during labour prove it, expert cla

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I think ist funny that if there is a High Advance Race of Beings that Created Us in Their Image..
from Another World GOD or Civilization type 3 , 4, ETC... Ions Ago... and Terra form this Planet

From Modification of Hominids to just what we are Now ...


Yet Now We Can Do the Same !! BIO Engineering Clone Modifications Hybrids to Chimeras playing god with Genes and DNA !!

Scientists Create First 'Synthetic' Cells
May 21, 2010
By MICHAEL SMITH

abcnews.go.com...

In a development that seems likely to stir a firestorm of controversy, researchers said Thursday that they have used genes made in the lab to create a synthetic species of bacteria.

"We're here to announce the first synthetic cell," said J. Craig Venter, head of the self-named J. Craig Venter Institute in Rockville, Md., and leader of one of the teams that decoded the human genome.

He told reporters that the new species -- dubbed Mycoplasma mycoides JCVI-syn1.0 -- is similar to one found in nature, except that the chromosome that controls each cell was created from scratch. The research is reported in the May 20 issue of the journal Science.

The new species, Venter said, started with researchers digitizing the genetic code for the new species on computers, then assembling the nucleotides using "four bottles of chemicals" into sections of DNA. The DNA sections were assembled in yeast cells to form a synthetic chromosome, which was then transferred to a related species of bacteria, M. capricolum

Late in March, the researchers told reporters, the modified cells began replicating and formed a "blue colony" of the new species.

"This is the first self-replicating species that we've had on the planet whose parent is a computer," Venter said.

Indeed, he and his colleagues consistently used computer language to describe the work. The new chromosome is like an operating system, they said, and it reprograms the M. capricolum cells to become M. mycoides.

The Scary Thought is !!

Will we see a Humanoid Cylon (Battlestar Galactica) or a Nexus 6 (Bladerunner)

in the Near Future !!

and Who to Say An Ancient Alien Race has Done this to Us Ions ago..

It’s alive! Researchers use 3D printer to create human-like cells
venturebeat.com...

A team of scientists at Oxford University have printed — yes, printed — what could be the predecessors to usable synthetic human tissue.

The researchers released a paper called A Tissue-Like Material, announcing that they created their own version of a 3D printer, saying the current ones on the market couldn’t print what they were after, according to PhsyOrg. And what were they after? A protein sack of water that can mold itself into different shapes and perform similar functions to human cells. After developing the printer, the team was able to print out a series of droplets that formed a network of human-like cells that could act like nerves and send electrical signals across the network.

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Good you like insects, I acknowledge them as smart but frankly I don't like them. But have to admit they ar e more fittable than the "superior life forms" to inhabit the early galaxies shown in the farthest window of Hubble, Spitzer, other telescopes. Galaxies formed from scratch soon after the matter formed, according to Big Bang theory... And what if that theory is just as wrong as the previous one of a static universe? What if not 13 bln years (17 bln previously) but let say 100 bln years age and so much distance IF the universe expanded close to the speed of light? Another big IF because of the Inflation theory that says: faster than the speed of light.

Evolution is impossible to be driving force everywhere because it is too slow if we are talking of random choices of nature. "God does not play dice" said Einstein. Rather what we see on earth is so complex pyramid of interconnected species that we would die off without the simple bees. And they themselves are organized as an imperial structure aren't they? Are they intelligent? May be not the bees on earth but may be elsewhere. Someone estimated for the DNA and other complex molecules they cannot evolve by random chance because that chance is larger than the age of the universe. It was Michio Kaku? No it wasn't he but he used that comparison too. We have to take as given fact that the complex DNA are given to us from above. How we should call that above, heaven, God, is up to our understanding.

From that moment on, the first ones who got it, the intelligent life, probably got it with the mission to spread it further. Are we talking of creatures known later as "angels" and their opposite ones - those who always mess up things as Annunaki did? I don't know and am afraid to fix nature with religion because such fixes in the past failed after each next discovery. Because it might happen it is not one universe but many, either in succession line or existing parallel to each other. Then our scales are desperately outdated and we can get life everywhere that helps life to grow everywhere too. Across universe boundaries. Is it all a good experiment? The one on earth proved a bad one. A very, very bad one. Destroyed once in the Flood it walks towards the next promised destruction - by Fire (ref. 2 Peter). The bad experiments are usually closed at one point. Hope more people will be count worthy to pass thru the gates.

Having discovered bilions of galaxies to exist very close to the so called Big Bang, that assume possibility of some form of life to appear very early in this Universe. Other theories suggest a sequence Big Bang - Big Crunch - New Big Bang. If so, for the entire time of the old Universe there is a theoretical possibility at least ONE supercivilization to find a way to survive the Shrinking universe and to emerge in the new Universe with unparalleled start positions.

If there is not ony one succession of bangs, but the much more modern term Multiverse - parael Universes, then we are talking of such big opportunities that our minds are too little to comprehend. Still DNA or whatever other physical platform of life are too complex to be formed by any evolution out of chance or random mutation. Still many of us believe the spirit is what is the initial and only then the matter materializes according to it, i.e. we are talking not of bio-robots (as some Grey are) but we are talking of SOULS INCARNATE in bodies sophisticated enough to support life functions. Still, we will not find the answer of who created the first civilization or the first life ever, unless we turn to that super-being that many call simply God the creator. The same question comes even if we don't consider the biology but only the non-living matter of stars and galaxies. The question who created them first stays over there exposed to everyone who searches that answer. be it a human on Earth, a human on Pleiades, or some thinking Bee in galaxy M 101.

Why don't we stil get in touch with each other then? They know of us much better than we imagine of them. Because of a quarantine? Perhaps the efforts to shed light that started to be more energetic than ever, are part of the removal of quarantine as well. I am sorry to see religion and state do not walk the same way necessarily. Still Medvedev found the way to "joke" of extraterrestrials - his own contribution to the big push of humanity to finally find its place among brothers and sisters, and naughty neighbors as well.

Cobaltic1978
We certainly struggle with sunlight as well, having to wear shades or putting our hands over our brow to see in sunlight direction. I have always found this odd, as if we truly evolved on Earth, then surely our brow would be protruding?

So every other species here has a protruding brow for their eyes? or are those other species who lack natural built in shades also transplants?

Who says every species must be perfectly evolved in every beneficial way anyway? I know us humans tend to expect the utmost comfort, but this isn't a realistic expectation.

Why aren't our feet covered in hard shells so thorns don't poke us, and poison plants make them itch, clearly the nature here on earth doesn't favor our feet cause so many of natures creations can hurt our feet. If we leave them in water to long they start fall apart. We must be from a plant made of clouds that we walk on.

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This other thread explores the same area albeit from the perspective that the earth may have been terraformed/adapted and settled.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Change exists. No argument there. Whether we were dumped here, or born here we need to adapt to change.

How can one argue that evolution theory is wrong, and then turn on the weather forecast to see what tomorrow will bring?

It is my personal belief that life exists from an initial "breath" of an unknown force, which is most probably, carefully hidden on the other side of quantum physics. Call it whatever you want. Quantum physics or some other mathematical endless loops, exists as a "division by zero", one-way firewall, to prevent us from looking out, while still allowing life to breath in.

Evolution is not a possibility. It's a reality, especially when defined as an adaptation change, to preserve life. You check the weather. Why? So you can adapt. Right there I have shown, evolution as adaptation to conditions, to exist. In our timescale evolution seems slow, or even stagnant. But, on the grand timescale of infinity, it can be an infinitely speedy process.

Just look at a virus building an immunity to a vaccine if you need more proof of adaptation to environmental factors.

I have come to believe that an infinitely simple form of life will evolve at an infinitely fast rate. On the other end, the more complex the form of life, the slower it evolves. Eventually it reaches a point of infinitely slow evolution. This is PROBABLY, the rule of the creator, the life-breath, that keeps life in a "sweet-spot" of existence.

It has to be a self checking system that keeps everything in balance, but will not allow total extinction of the life-breath, nor allow over-evolution. This guarantees total and infinite life preservation, while preventing a runaway developmental situation.

These existential limitations prevent anything from ever evolving enough to reach the "whole truth".

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Evolution no doubt happens, as plant and animal life can change somewhat due to environmental changes. But larger force still is 'Creation' of life forms at the start of the Universe.

I know it is very difficult to accept God as Creator. It goes against current 'scientific notions'. But it is a reality.

God has given humans the ability to build ships (including ships for inter-planetary travel). So life-forms can propagate beyond their original planet. This is the real cause of animal forms that appear in certain eons and then die out (many times due to non-adaptation to climate changes).

Humans have not been able to create life artificially. Even an Amoeba has not been created from its raw materials (elements). So humans are in NO position to challenge God as creator.

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I know it is very difficult to accept God as Creator. It goes against current 'scientific notions'.

No it doesn't. Science does not address the matter since it is not a testable hypothesis.

Humans have not been able to create life artificially.

Who says life was created artificially?

To the matter of the OP: Anyone who thinks that evolution leads to perfection does not understand evolution. Sunburn and back pain does not prevent one from reproducing.

Oh...I don't have a bad back.

2012newstart

One may say "God did it" for us and others, or you may think of the fact that God doesn't actually have hands to do it because he is Spirit, but has to send someone to do it in his name? We are temporarily banned from space yet we are a chosen race. God chose us the bad and stupid ones to show his strength.

Congrats you were able to mix it all. Aliens and God...good job...

We are chosen because we say we are...hmmmm BTW do you have a copy of the 5000 year ban? I would like to read the small print.

GargIndia

Humans have not been able to create life artificially. Even an Amoeba has not been created from its raw materials (elements). So humans are in NO position to challenge God as creator.

does this include clones?? or IVF babies?

choos

GargIndia

Humans have not been able to create life artificially. Even an Amoeba has not been created from its raw materials (elements). So humans are in NO position to challenge God as creator.

does this include clones?? or IVF babies?

I think what the poster means is our origins... it does seem and I have heard it in may documentaries not even related to theism or evolution.

they use one main example that we're not built for this environment like other animals are, that we are not born on our feet and following our parent in the wild... that we require years of nurture before we are able to fend on our own.

there has been no proof that in the past during our journey to modern humans that anything or at any time things have been different.

cave babies weren't born on their feet with a spear in their hand...

Phage
Who says life was created artificially?

who says something came from nothing?

who said we are the universe evolving and growing intelligent so it can learn about itself? I'll give you a hint, it was Carl Sagan

SisyphusRide

I think what the poster means is our origins... it does seem and I have heard it in may documentaries not even related to theism or evolution.

they use one main example that we're not built for this environment like other animals are, that we are not born on our feet and following our parent in the wild... that we require years of nurture before we are able to fend on our own.

there has been no proof that in the past during our journey to modern humans that anything or at any time things have been different.

cave babies weren't born on their feet with a spear in their hand...

thats weird.. many newborn animals have trouble standing.. newborn birds cant even fly.. they have never had technology to help them raise their young whereas we have..

in a certain respect human dependency on technology has made us "lazy"

but having said that, humans have been one of the most outstanding endurance runners in the entire animal kingdom.. but since we are not born running its proof that we were placed here? doesnt make much sense..

choos

SisyphusRide

I think what the poster means is our origins... it does seem and I have heard it in may documentaries not even related to theism or evolution.

they use one main example that we're not built for this environment like other animals are, that we are not born on our feet and following our parent in the wild... that we require years of nurture before we are able to fend on our own.

there has been no proof that in the past during our journey to modern humans that anything or at any time things have been different.

cave babies weren't born on their feet with a spear in their hand...

thats weird.. many newborn animals have trouble standing.. newborn birds cant even fly.. they have never had technology to help them raise their young whereas we have..

in a certain respect human dependency on technology has made us "lazy"

but having said that, humans have been one of the most outstanding endurance runners in the entire animal kingdom.. but since we are not born running its proof that we were placed here? doesnt make much sense..

these animals and birds you mention learn before winter, or they do not survive.

this has never been the case for the human mammal.

I'll see if I can turn up a video clip on it... I'm not too knowledgeable on the subject, I just mentioned it.

SisyphusRide

these animals and birds you mention learn before winter, or they do not survive.

this has never been the case for the human mammal.

I'll see if I can turn up a video clip on it... I'm not too knowledgeable on the subject, I just mentioned it.

i get that, but my point was that they are kind of forced to..

whereas we humans do not force our newborn children to run or let them die, we merely encourage them to stand or walk and this has been happening for a very long time..

it is not life or death for our children if they do not learn to run before winter arrives, technology has given us the means to not prioritise that.

Phage
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I know it is very difficult to accept God as Creator. It goes against current 'scientific notions'.

Phage + No it doesn't. Science does not address the matter since it is not a testable hypothesis.

GargIndia+ Humans have not been able to create life artificially.


Phage + Who says life was created artificially?

To the matter of the OP: Anyone who thinks that evolution leads to perfection does not understand evolution. Sunburn and back pain does not prevent one from reproducing.

Oh...I don't have a bad back.

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OHH REALLY !!!??? Man has Not Created Life Artificially ??? ( WRONG ANSWER )

( TED )
Craig Venter: Watch me unveil "synthetic life"
www.ted.com...

Craig Venter and team make a historic announcement: they've created the first fully functioning, reproducing cell controlled by synthetic DNA. He explains how they did it and why the achievement marks the beginning of a new era for science.

In 2001, Craig Venter made headlines for sequencing the human genome. In 2003, he started mapping the ocean's biodiversity. And now he's created the first synthetic lifeforms -- microorganisms that can produce alternative fuels.

Researchers Say They Created a ‘Synthetic Cell’
By NICHOLAS WADE
Published: May 20, 2010

www.nytimes.com...

Scientists Create First Synthetic Cell


Say Hello to NEXUS 6 ( Movie Bladerunner ) Humanoid CYlONS ( Battle Star Galactica ) in the Near Future

Well we also can Can Alter Manipulate Genes DNA of ALL Life making Hybrids/ Chimeras in BIO Engineering

WE are The Gods Now well lol kinda sorta

Animal Farm Episode 1, Part 1 of 10

www.youtube.com...

choos

SisyphusRide

these animals and birds you mention learn before winter, or they do not survive.

this has never been the case for the human mammal.

I'll see if I can turn up a video clip on it... I'm not too knowledgeable on the subject, I just mentioned it.

i get that, but my point was that they are kind of forced to..

whereas we humans do not force our newborn children to run or let them die, we merely encourage them to stand or walk and this has been happening for a very long time..

it is not life or death for our children if they do not learn to run before winter arrives, technology has given us the means to not prioritise that.

yes but when was it "run or die" for humans or our ancestors? Was it during the neanderthal era? or before... did Lucy make her kid fend for itself?

I don't think grave history will provide these answers, as by the time we started burying our dead we had a love for them... can you imagine if it takes at least 15 years now for a human to run or die as you put it, how long then did it take back in the day? was it a shorter time period or longer?

It is possible the time frame has always been about the same, considering physical attributes would only permit so much in a hostile world of sabertooth tigers.

how did our cousins survive naked in a hostile world where most every other animal and predator out bred the humans and had their offspring up and hunting by winter?

technology has made us the top of the food chain, but for most of earth history we have not been or had that title.

there is a weird transitional period I am missing here... we must have stayed deep in those caves and our diet consisted of earth worms and easy scavenger foods...

how did Australopithecus survive and thrive when monkeys and apes are protected species today? you know without us they would be possibly hunted to extinction.

Wolfenz
WE are The Gods Now well lol kinda sorta

they in fact did not create anything... specially from nothing.

they copied work already done...

very similar to how lady gaga is a rip off of madonna.

when they create the matter to make the cell let me know...

why do i like clogs, tan cargo shorts and play the blooze?

we do have a circadian rhythm, more inline with mars.

so i've heard.

i like the water ape thing.