A Manual For Creating Atheists

reply to post by CornShucker


You know, I honestly genuinely don't like a whole lot of people. Most people are very bland and grayscale. If you are two-dimensional, I want nothing to do with you. The more layers, the better.

CornShucker

You should have a read about this since you brought it up earlier in the thread.
No Faith in Science Why the Higgs boson is not like a sea of milk that sustains the gods.

Since I was the one who mentioned it (apparently), I went and read the provided link. Considering the almost certain fact that I'll never actually see a Higgs boson, guess I'll have to have faith they have been proven to exist.

Couldn't help but notice the linked article ends with an insult. Seems to be pattern here...

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Well I can't actually see electricity in the walls either but I have faith when I flip the switch the lights will come on. I don't think anyone would equivocate that kind of faith with the kind needed to believe in the god of thunder Thor.

AfterInfinity
reply to post by Eryiedes

 

I didn't ask you to help me.

Then you have some idea of why I don't need your spelling lessons.
Assistance is nice if it's asked for but not when it's thrown in your face before you even have need of it.

-Peace-

reply to post by Grimpachi

Seems ridiculous.

Certainly unnecessary. Anyone sane rational person who reads the bible with an open mind and without cherry picking it is almost certain to end up an atheist before they get through it.

reply to post by Eryiedes


Dude. Chill out. It's not the end of the world. I try to have a little fun with you, but you are apparently new to the internet, so I'll give you some time to explore the culture and heal your butthurt before I dance with you again. Something tells me that'll take a while.

Peace.

yeah, I guess this is a lot worse than George w. bush going to a "jews for jesus" conference and getting paid for talking about converting jews into christians

Grimpachi
Well I can't actually see electricity in the walls either but I have faith when I flip the switch the lights will come on. I don't think anyone would equivocate that kind of faith with the kind needed to believe in the god of thunder Thor.

I had the first issue, btw... Wish I'd had the sense to keep my Marvel #1s in good condition.

I actually have no bone to pick with science. I'm glad it's there. The LHC just came to mind because of the immensity of the project before testing could even be started. In the link about it, the author mentions something (in a paraphrasing sort of way) that I said to a physics friend of mine who claim to be a skeptic in the classical sense. He made the comment, "It is gratifying that we now know the laws of physics apply throughout the universe." I pointed out that a true skeptic would include the qualifier "appear to apply." Of course he didn't agree, but I got over it...

AfterInfinity
reply to post by Eryiedes

 

Dude. Chill out. It's not the end of the world. I try to have a little fun with you, but you are apparently new to the internet, so I'll give you some time to explore the culture and heal your butthurt before I dance with you again. Something tells me that'll take a while.

Don't try and solve this by sticking another foot in your mouth with hurling insults.
Just stop already.

-Amitabha-

AfterInfinity
reply to post by CornShucker

 

You know, I honestly genuinely don't like a whole lot of people. Most people are very bland and grayscale. If you are two-dimensional, I want nothing to do with you. The more layers, the better.

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Agreed! I give the benefit of doubt longer than I probably should sometimes, but there are some individuals that have learned to survive by playing their cards close to the vest. Takes a little longer to draw them out. Once I realize there's not much chance of a stimulating conversation I move on, as well.

reply to post by CornShucker


I think you were correct when telling him that. I am pretty sure I read a article adressing just that. There are still things in this universe that need to be explained and the current laws of physics do not seem to account for. Some of the laws may need revising in fact we may need all new ones. Dark Matter comes to mind hell we can't even prove such a thing exists yet based on the laws of physics we are pretty certain it is there. Black holes seem to be another we know they exist yet they are not fully understood some have been theorized as portals to other dimensions. I remain optimistic that one day those things will be explained. Probably not in my life though.

reply to post by Grimpachi

A Manual For Creating Atheists

Until I read more I thought you meant the bible--it's dual purpose as it also creates agnostics.

Oh and gives "faith" to those with a willful belief in mythology.

Chamberf=6
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

A Manual For Creating Atheists

Until I read more I thought you meant the bible--it's dual purpose as it also creates agnostics.

Oh and gives "faith" to those with a willful belief in mythology.

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You are one of my favorite posters, and respect your opinion, and I understand your point, but I also have seen the power of the holy spirit and the word of god melt the hardest hearts.

MY youngest son was deeply into the occult, he was a satanist as a matter of fact, did all the rituals the cape, the knives the chalices, the books of A.Crowley, it was actually my book when I was into New Age.

When he was a teenager I talked him into going to church, he had no idea what to expect, there was a prayer line at the alter and the guest speaker went up to him and laid hands on him.

Now at the age of 30, although still not a Christian, I would say he is agnostic, he loves to tell that story how he was zapped by that power that threw him to the ground, he was not into the sermon, he didn't expect the experience, he didn't see it coming, but that was the move of the holy spirit.

He says that was the real deal, much more powerful than anything he delved into before.

And he witnesses of that experiences, that powerful experience to his atheist friends when they are trashing Christians.

Anyway, I have had many experiences myself, but no one want to hear about personal experiences.

reply to post by Stormdancer777

Just speaking my own opinion, although looking back at it it does seem kinda offensive. Sorry.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


I would say that no one knows what those powers are. Did we know what electricity was before we started using it? Did we know what water was before we harnessed its potential? Did we understand the mechanics of the atmosphere before we set sail using the wind to propel us to far shores?

Experience is not the same thing as comprehension.

AfterInfinity
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

I would say that no one knows what those powers are. Did we know what electricity was before we started using it? Did we know what water was before we harnessed its potential? Did we understand the mechanics of the atmosphere before we set sail using the wind to propel us to far shores?

Experience is not the same thing as comprehension.

Absolutely, you turn a light switch off and on, this power seems to be generated by prayer.

I have seen many miracles by laying on of hands, to many to discount it as coincidental.

Regarding comprehension, I was one of those who read the Bible over and over, eventually I started getting little glimpses beyond the normal comprehension.

Things preachers never talk about.

Chamberf=6
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Just speaking my own opinion, although looking back at it it does seem kinda offensive. Sorry.

You don't have to apologize,

reply to post by Stormdancer777

Absolutely, you turn a light switch off and on, this power seems to be generated by prayer.

I have seen many miracles by laying on of hands, to many to discount it as coincidental.

But what is answering the prayer? Do you know this for a fact?

CornShucker

You should have a read about this since you brought it up earlier in the thread.
No Faith in Science Why the Higgs boson is not like a sea of milk that sustains the gods.

Since I was the one who mentioned it (apparently), I went and read the provided link. Considering the almost certain fact that I'll never actually see a Higgs boson, guess I'll have to have faith they have been proven to exist.

Couldn't help but notice the linked article ends with an insult. Seems to be pattern here...

ETA:
I think that came out sounding other than I intended. I was talking about scientific rebuttals of faith, not you. You turned me on to Stefan Molyneux & for that I am grateful.

The linked article is entirely disingenuous as a reply to what I posted about the Higgs Boson discovery, and had nothing to do with unnaturalness or unexpected fine tuning, read a bit of it and whent WTH? That it ends in an insult isn't surprising. The posting of it and then reposting of it with a heap of insults by that rude atheist poster above isn't surprising either.

It's not God who is hurt by any of this insulting mannerism by atheists, but we the people of God, although we were told this would happen, best to count our blessings I guess and be "exceedingly glad" as Jesus suggested might be the appropriate response to be so reviled, so detested in our beliefs and understanding, and in some cases our comprehension of things that the atheist is, apparently, incapable of grasping.

It makes me want to call "them" losers, with a capital L, but that's not how I'm taught to react/respond. Therefore thanks for putting my Christian teachings to the test dear losers I meant atheists! LOL

Then again I do love all people, so I must stand in that love for others even when they are exceedingly rude and ignorant. "forgive them father for they know not what they do."


Best Regards,

NAM

Higgs Boson Discovery


Now this right here is perhaps THE most courageous, and possibly the FUNNIEST thing a modern physicist has ever stated.

“There are frustrating theoretical problems in quantum field theory that demand solutions, but the string theory ‘landscape’ of 10/500 solutions does not make sense to me. Neither does the multiverse concept OR the anthropic principle,”

“New discoveries tend to be intuitive, just on the borderline of believability. Later, they become obvious.”

~ David J. Gross, Nobel Prize-winning physicist.