My pet theory

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When the Travis Walton abduction took place , he claims the smell of fungi in the holding bay of the ship was quite strong. Bear in mind that his companions only saw the light /orb. Did he wander into an information exchange/download. He was an avid reader of Si fi. I'm coming to the conclusion that information such as. The herb for getting out of the body to check your position under the forest canopy to a lost Amerindian . Is just a valid information download , to aid an Amerindians survival in the jungle. The information to make korari, in a very specific way, wasn't gained in a Lab. Or getting information from the God of Salvia Divinorum either. To name but a couple. These information downloads are amazing in the fact they are direct to the human psych, And usually include some astral travel/shamanistic flight, or time dilation. Or can they be considered as places visited without the encumbrance of flesh. Or even e=mc2 obtained by Einstein in the bath dreaming? These Herbs when they are used for their purpose and not casual novelty, seem to suggest strangeness.

anonentity
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When the Travis Walton abduction took place , he claims the smell of fungi in the holding bay of the ship was quite strong. Bear in mind that his companions only saw the light /orb. Did he wander into an information exchange/download. He was an avid reader of Si fi. I'm coming to the conclusion that information such as. The herb for getting out of the body to check your position under the forest canopy to a lost Amerindian . Is just a valid information download , to aid an Amerindians survival in the jungle. The information to make korari, in a very specific way, wasn't gained in a Lab. Or getting information from the God of Salvia Divinorum either. To name but a couple. These information downloads are amazing in the fact they are direct to the human psych, And usually include some astral travel/shamanistic flight, or time dilation. Or can they be considered as places visited without the encumbrance of flesh. Or even e=mc2 obtained by Einstein in the bath dreaming? These Herbs when they are used for their purpose and not casual novelty, seem to suggest strangeness.

I have wondered about how ethnogens could be used in researching this stuff...

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The black eyed children. The men in black The gentry The pixies. Those that fly on broomsticks.UFO's All seem to have objective consciousness. The same as EVP's. They all seem to have a light that can paralyse you on the spot if they want to.(sleep paralysis) If you meet with them their time is different.(missing time) Like waking after a dream? but not weeks. They are world wide and the reports have very little cultural dissimilarity, down through the ages. They are age specific to historical timelines. They will take you away and will bring you back. They will play tricks on you. They will be nice to you if they like you. but generally have good natures. Although some are not so nice. They seem to have the ultimate camouflage, they seem to travel in vehicles, but they are more advanced than ours. Sometimes these vehicles leave imprints sometimes they don't. They just hover. We think were the most intelligent life form on earth, if they are not us we have a problem.

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The creditable reports of "strangeness" down through the ages. Seem to suggest a fashionable mirroring where applicable of the time, as then considered to be "modern". Whether the phenomenon of interaction with fairies Madonna lighter than air ships or Saucers. The sociological interactions, would seem to suggest shared sociological or even a cultural history. The interactions with the entities, are one of superior to inferior, we being the inferior, they can zap us, move us etc. Fool us, in other words do what they like with us. If they so choose. Their technology is so various that any manufactory of the said ships, has no logical dimension. They range to every geometry that we can think of. The description of the occupants range ,from virtually every humanoid shape you can think up, to half formed robot. Can we conclude that they are sometimes 3 dimensional imaginings sometimes perfectly formed sometimes imperfectly. They are not perfect! a bit like us? The thought forms are very similar to our own creative imaginings. When they interact we gain not a shred of creditable scientific data. Why not, if they are superior?... because (!).they don't know anymore or less than the inferior being they are reacting with/or(2) their is no point in telling us/or(3) they are keeping it from us. Or (4) We know already? I would guess all four have a place.
Firstly why do they culturally mirror us down through the ages? this could be a good clue, i would suggest that they are us, or were us recently enough to have the trappings of the present fashion. logical? They very well could be what we always used to think of them as, and worship them as our ancestors. Such are fashions. Or to put it more clearly the Dead.
Agreed this is where it could get a bit hairy!. Lets have a theoretical death, to run with an idea.
Charlie has been an electronics engineer all his life, his main hobby has been investigating electromagnet flight, as he lies on the bed breathing his last breath, his loved ones are supressing tears, he feels sorry for them. Because the drugs he has been given to ease the pain have him wondering what all the fuss is about. When his heart finally stops. He does loose consciousness for a few seconds, then sits up in his bed and looks at his lifeless body, as he has done numerous times before but the difference now is he remembers because he has full consciousness, where he doesn't have to spread it around all the cells of his body, to maintain their function. So he, unlike so many in this situation goes off to the lab where he and a few friends continue to do some experiments. He did have a funny moment where he wanted to comfort his daughter , but he most likely will see her soon if she can get some sleep. As she also shares his interest in electromagnetic flight, as she also helps in the lab. Charlie, is a fairly advanced sober coherent individual, who actually had a lot of " Soul".
Not like his nephew, Flic who on wrapping his motorbike around a lamppost, stoned, found that after he had got used to his new situation wandered around, and thought it was fun to make out with sleeping females, most of the time they were compliant, but sometimes gave him what for when there consciousness wasn't compromised. However one night something happened that really messed up the fun times, and got grabbed by a developing foetus, which drained the brightness of his encounters to a significant degree.
So under this scenario, the strangeness might not be so strange anymore, the variations of encounters are as variable as the range of human psyches on the planet. The full on communication with an entity, would not be remembered that well, much the same as a dream, depending on the level of recall. Or the ability of the entity, alive or dead, to manipulate energy to make the contact. Until we get to be fully conscious and avoid the traps that Flic fell into....Or something like that?. Its a theory that could bring it all together, under some existing disciplines..We either have an Astral counterpart, or we have not. If we have, it effects everything, The cells of our body use what consciousness is available or they don't have consciousness. Since consciousness is what its all about, because without it you don't have life. The details can get filled in almost any fashion available that the imagination can think up.

There are two new John Keel collections available on Amazon. Its a damn shame Keel never got together with Marshall Maclaren...Medium is the message and all.

Interesting quote from the first collection:
"A lot of things are still going on in West Vkrginia . I still get mail from a lot of people down there, some that I knew 30 years ago. One of the mysteries that I tried to untangle - and found hopeless - was that there were a number of babies born during that period who seemed to be rather unusual. After the babies were born, they were surrounded by poltergeist activity, and other odd things..."

Makes one wonder about Pulharich's kids and his turkey farm...

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When you get good EVP's like Hoffs, he makes sure that only decent type entities get to talk. He had been hassled by nastiness in the early days of his investigations, but he seemed to wise up and realise they could be dismissed as minor nuisances, much the same as we would dismiss unhelpful social interactions, Sometimes you can hear them chatting just like anyone else, in the background. Why would the recently deceased want to chat with the living if that's what we are.? I'd guess for the same reason that we want to chat with them, which is many and varied reasons. But primarily because they can. Its probably the easiest thing to actually do. Then you can ask how many, for the want of a better word "dead" people are there? it must be mind boggling, because basically that's what we are doing supplying, people for this other environment. You might just say how ridiculous! but its no more ridiculous then how we come into this reality. Then get socialised, into accepting this reality as the norm. Their environmental reality must be constructed very similar to ours. If that is so, there must be social enclaves of just about everything and everyone that you can imagine. If we forget about Demons, Gods Angels, and all the rest of the unhelpful fashionable theatrical superstition, that tries to confound the logic. Then we are left with socially the same things that exist in our reality. Which would confound the investigator, as he/she isn't expecting or looking for, people like us, that have there own problems and interactions and interests just like we do. Some would be intelligent some would be dumb, some would be shocked at there new situation, some nice some a## holes.
If the main focus of our existence is to supply beings for this other reality, then we are as necessary as them, if the supply looks like it could be stopped by a holocaust, then its no surprise that they would engage with missile silos and deactivate them. Plus doing all the things required to keep life going. Which is what they seem to be doing.

anonentity
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If the main focus of our existence is to supply beings for this other reality, then we are as necessary as them, if the supply looks like it could be stopped by a holocaust, then its no surprise that they would engage with missile silos and deactivate them. Plus doing all the things required to keep life going. Which is what they seem to be doing.

Charles Fort:
"Would we, if we could, educate and sophisticate pigs, geese, cattle? Would it be wise to establish diplomatic relation with the hen that now functions, satisfied with mere sense of achievement by way of compensation? I think we're property. I should say we belong to something: That once upon a time, this earth was No-man's Land, that other worlds explored and colonized here, and fought among themselves for possession, but that now it's owned by something: That something owns this earth—all others warned off."

Fort and Keel were more important than the contemporary UFO scene would have people believe.

I would like to ask my audience to suggest any avenues to investigate the 'secret schools'/gifted kids programs that swirled around the military-occult complex. Seriously, I believe that at minimum - even if there really is no 'UFO' phenomena - that we might have something very dark to uncover. This guy is the key. Dude with a hardcore eugenics background working with gifted kids for Sandia Lab...who turned out to be an active NAMBLA supporter and serial child molester. This seriously needs a good investigative reporter to do a story on it or something.

Pulharich's 'Space Kids' is another area we should look into. He seemed to run some kind of operation with these kids in New York at his 'Turkey Farm' - which burned down in the 1970's. Was he the legal guardian of these kids? Who were they, and where the hell are they now? ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.ca...

Finally, I did find a reference in H G M Hermans' book "Memories of A Maverick." Hermans was a former wife of Puharich. "A series of events that had taken place in May 1975 made him decide to start a program with children. While in England he'd met several children ...who could bend spoons, blades, or pocketknives and keys...he took the kids to Glastonbury Tor...this experience with the kids was the first time that Andrija thought about a program for children. The second time occurred two weeks later in Mexico." (pp130-131.) He went to Mexico at the request of a Mexican TV station and as a result of his visit, "...three boys, Jaime, Jonathan and Octavio were so impressive that he decided to invite them to Ossining for a summer program." (p.131.)
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In July 1975 Puhrich wrote to Hermans that "I am now turning my attention to healing work, and work with children. I started an experimental school. The 9 "space kids" are all here." (p.132.) Hermans' 14 year old son Andy was at Ossining at that time. "All the kids lived by themselves at the "Turkey Farm" a house on the estate and maintained a strict daily routine of meditation, dream telling sessions, hobby time workouts and swimming. They took turns cleaning the house and do the cooking. Either Andrija or somebody else would give talks on the hazards of drugs or smoking..." (p.132.) Speaking of her son Andy, Hermans said "...Andy never told me what it meant to be a 'space kid' until recently. If he had told me then that each kid was hypnotized in order to go back to his 'parent civilisation' I would probably have flipped and kept him home." (p.132.)
"According to Andy, most of the kids present came from another planet. They had voluntarily returned to planet Earth to help in the raising of human consciousness." (pp132-133.) "That's why daddy set up the program," Andy told me "to remind these kids of their mission in life..." (p.133.) "The program with the kids lasted until the end of August, but all through 1975 and 1976, young people from all over the world kept coming to Ossining." (p.133.)

You know what else is interesting about Ossining?

That's the freakin' Hudson Valley.

edit: Anyone know if Elon Musk has been poking around the field?
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Under the scenario, in an infinite Universe, anything can and does happen. The manifestations to our restricted understandings, are because.? As yet in our development we are not fully coherent to the rules of cause and effect, imposed on our consciousness by the very act of living.? Or that we are not fully conscious until we drop the meat.? Some of these which are mostly encounters of the third /fourth kind. Many of the encounters require the patient/abductee, to be sedated. Because they could be a threat to the entity during the mission. Not the action of the omnipotent.
Take the case of Ausso who after going to the trouble to abduct. decides that the candidate isn't suitable and drops them back to where he was taken from with a few loose ends, that he cant be bothered to tidy up, like the car being in an impossible position to drive out. Ausso has abducted before, if we are to believe this report, he is amiable. he doesn't have to do any deals with anyone to get what he wants. Perhaps that is the problem that T.P.T.B. have, which is that they might know more than us, but it wont guarantee any compliance for their purpose. I cant get the page to come up. If you go to UFO.org and hit "cases" then in that menu "close encounters of the third kind" you should get it. Ausso that is. www.ufoevidence.org... section..

anonentity
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Under the scenario, in an infinite Universe, anything can and does happen. The manifestations to our restricted understandings, are because.? As yet in our development we are not fully coherent to the rules of cause and effect, imposed on our consciousness by the very act of living.? Or that we are not fully conscious until we drop the meat.? Some of these which are mostly encounters of the third /fourth kind. Many of the encounters require the patient/abductee, to be sedated. Because they could be a threat to the entity during the mission. Not the action of the omnipotent.
Take the case of Ausso who after going to the trouble to abduct. decides that the candidate isn't suitable and drops them back to where he was taken from with a few loose ends, that he cant be bothered to tidy up, like the car being in an impossible position to drive out. Ausso has abducted before, if we are to believe this report, he is amiable. he doesn't have to do any deals with anyone to get what he wants. Perhaps that is the problem that T.P.T.B. have, which is that they might know more than us, but it wont guarantee any compliance for their purpose. I cant get the page to come up. If you go to UFO.org and hit "cases" then in that menu "close encounters of the third kind" you should get it. Ausso that is. www.ufoevidence.org... section..

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Thought provoking stuff man.

The new Keel collections are GOLDMINES of good stuff. I encourage folks to check them out. Apparently Fred Crisman and friends were hanging around the Point Pleasant area in the 1960's, apparently at the behest of the Defence Logistics Agency - which incidentally is where Jack Vorona ended up in the 1990's.

Also Keel and Ivan Sanderson investigated a New Jersey town in 1969 where apparently everyone lost three hours after hearing a beeping sound. What.

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I have been trying to find a case where the abductee is seen to have been abducted, that on investigation doesn't reek of hoax. Until I do I'm forced to stick with the Astral hypothesis .Although that doesn't mean that there are no 3 dimensional saucers , it just means there is one heck of a lot more involved with regards to the hypothesis. Or even reality for that matter. It did strike me that all the reports of diminutive beings, might actually have been those of children dreaming. Especially where the incident dribbles into inactivity. They might be nearer the source while they are getting programed. .

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Here we have some compelling evidence with regards to NDE. That consciousness doesn't require a physical body, and that the persons involved, had the same life changing revelations, that the abductees seemed to manifest. thecid.com... The basic paradigm of the experiencers life seems to be maintained. The fact that they met entities, in various environments, is another factor. Beam of light ,coupled with body paralysis taken as a fact, time dilation as well. With sometimes what seems to be the ,overwhelming sense that on returning to the body you were imprisoned? mmmm?
Another thing is that the sightings of strange things in the sky, is tied to human consciousness in the fact that its the same distribution in the northern hemisphere as the southern one. At least with regards to the human calendar. Thus nothing to do with seasonal changes. thecid.com... Human concerns are also shown with the distribution and placing of sightings. thecid.com... where main hotspots show up where nuclear facilities are situated. There is also a correlation with regards to normal population distribution which I guess would be what you would expect. But also the fact that rural areas are more likely to have 100% more probabilities of sightings, That's really interesting as one would expect the more density of people the more "strangeness" would be experienced. I'd suggest if anyone had the time to sit and observe a common shopping mall for any length of time, we should expect to see a lot of strangeness, but because of the focused, activity, its probably missed. As no observer is going to go up to a random person whom one suspects of not being there and pinching them lol.

anonentity
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I have been trying to find a case where the abductee is seen to have been abducted, that on investigation doesn't reek of hoax. Until I do I'm forced to stick with the Astral hypothesis .Although that doesn't mean that there are no 3 dimensional saucers , it just means there is one heck of a lot more involved with regards to the hypothesis. Or even reality for that matter. It did strike me that all the reports of diminutive beings, might actually have been those of children dreaming. Especially where the incident dribbles into inactivity. They might be nearer the source while they are getting programed. .

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Well the material seems to suggest the EM effects occur within 200 feet of the anomaly...

Also fun bit of info from the second Keel collection: Fred Crisman was in the Point Pleasant area during the whole Mothman shindig - apparently attached to the Defence Logistics Agency.

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I was reading a few cases of NDE's one was where a kid of about 8 was being operated on, he went out into the waiting room and saw his mother, he pulled at her sleeve, and wondered why she wasn't responding to him. Many years later when his mother was dying he mentioned it to her, she said she remembered the tug on her sleeve. So for all intent and purpose he could be defined as a ghost/demon/apparition/for the given amount of time. Depending on the paradigm of the observer. Another was where during the NDE, he met a man, on mentioning it to his mother, she admitted that he was born out of wedlock, to a Jewish guy who went back to Europe and died fighting during the war, when she showed him a photo of his real father it was the guy in the NDE. Whom he had never met before. The quality of the NDE's depend on short term memory recall. Many stories have entities informing the person experiencing the NDE that it isn't their time yet, in some cases they have a choice whether they want to go back into the body or not. We seem to have a lot of linguistic clues. "I was beside myself" "I jumped out of my skin" "I was out of it" "I was knocked out" (out of what?) There are more. They describe states of consciousness. Reminiscent of us being the ghost in the machine. So why if these are the real facts of it, why bother with a body in the first place? The only thing I can come up with is that, the moment a babies, cord is cut, consciousness enters the body and we have a coherent individual consciousness forming. The quality of which is dependent on the present mores for the" good home" etc. If that's right or something like it, then are things like orbs consciousness, looking for a place to become coherent .If so, it might work both ways when a developed consciousness can use an Orb, as a vehicle? The trouble with these musings, anything to do with the edges of reality can start a cult which stifles honest enquiry.
Either way a lot of money is being thrown in for NDE's If people that are blind from birth can see during an NDE then the line of enquiry seems valid. www.near-death.com...

1ofthe9
Also fun bit of info from the second Keel collection: Fred Crisman was in the Point Pleasant area during the whole Mothman shindig - apparently attached to the Defence Logistics Agency.

If that turns out to be accurate, then Fred Crisman is the Forrest Gump of high-strangeness conspiracy!! Looking forward to digging into that lead.

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well there's only one problem to the approach that ETs are just a psywar, and that is, the huge, and i mean HUGE amount of references in ancient texts to beings flying around in the sky in various vehicles of differing description

Ancient texts also had Zeus turning into a swan to rape Leda.

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They seem to be evolving at about the same rate we are, thus Pegasus becomes a flying vehicle etc. Is it a possibility under the Astral hypothesis that that a guy called Zeus on finding that he is dead thinks it would be fun to be a God for a bit and hang around the old place for a bit of fun. Deciding of course to gather a few friends around him as they become available? and enact strangeness with his favourites. Then where various people have exhibited a "strangeness" knowing that an NDE'er can be a proxy entity and effect matter in this reality, then maybe the "friend" that others cant see, is doing the business for various reasons. Until they give up for reasons only known to them. According to the Bardo Thol, the dying have to be aware that to escape the wheel of continuous incarnations, you have to be aware, of not hanging around for to long or you will be reincarnated. Plato was up with the play.www.near-death.com... see how his reports are "fashionable" with his time, but explanatory even today.

Eric Davis and Jacque Vallee did a paper together.

I think its a good indication of what Bigelow - at least - believes is going on.

1ofthe9
Eric Davis and Jacque Vallee did a paper together.

I think its a good indication of what Bigelow - at least - believes is going on.

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The conclusion is that of something material and psychic at the same time. Which seems to be the same as described in the Sanskrit texts, with regards to the Vimanas. Which seem to totally mirror the confusion of there origins in exactly the same way as we have to day. In so much as some were driven by Demons. Some from Outer space. and some man made. Where if you wanted to be a UFO pilot you had to learn certain things , like being able to zig zag them in flight, hide from the enemy by becoming invisible and making it look like there were more than one of you, and appearing in different places at once. Plus learning how to use Prana to power them? They might be right but it sounds like they had about as much knowledge about them as we have.Tibetan lore has it that they are Tulpas, which sometimes take off and do there own thing with a rudimentary consciousness if the creator doesn't dismantle them. Since they are the only people that make Tulpas these days as a formal part of their training, might we have a fourth theory of manufacture. That is someone from a discipline that can create thought forms.

I don't know how to embed videos but I would urge you to look up" fake plane-helicopters" on youtube especially those by mon roe. The ufo problem is a horror story that most dont have the guts to accept. Where this guy lives there is a porthole he even has footage of a jinn posing as a bird flying in the clouds, when it senses he's watching it does a flyby of his position. The more you take a good look at this stuff the more you realise we are in way over our heads.

Bilky
I don't know how to embed videos but I would urge you to look up" fake plane-helicopters" on youtube especially those by mon roe. The ufo problem is a horror story that most dont have the guts to accept. Where this guy lives there is a porthole he even has footage of a jinn posing as a bird flying in the clouds, when it senses he's watching it does a flyby of his position. The more you take a good look at this stuff the more you realise we are in way over our heads.

Yes but by the same token, its like they don't really understand either. Why create a plane or helicopter to accompany them, unless the someone doing the thought form, is stuffing up somehow. Or that the talent is high but the intelligence is low. Or god forbid are we looking at multiple source phenomenon?