Nearly half of the 'deep web' goes dark following child porn bust

reply to post by Evil_Santa


It says August 5, 2013 when I click on it. Comments are also a few months old. What I came on to say was that something really weird just happened. I was on ATS - left myself logged in like I always do and set my ipad down to do a few things. I picked it up and there is porn on it. It had taken the place of the ATS page. I clicked the back button and was back on ATS.

The only time I even came close to this dark world was with research years ago for my masters theses (and even one accidental entrance into an inappropriate site can render a computer ruined in my experience). No one uses my ipad except my child who watches sponge bob and other annoying reruns on you tube (I'm there when he uses it), and my nephew once and awhile to do a job search. I really thought that was the only way it could latch onto your computer like a leach from hell. Now it appears it may come in other ways? Why does this "dark web" do this? How does it do it?

It is a necessary evil to have this darker side to the web IMO - so detectives can find the people who harm children (or even harm adults). If my own child was missing I know I would be searching (if it didn't kill me first from heartbreak). There is a positive side to it but I don't want this crap popping up on my devices - kicking me off of my present pages aside. I didn't invite it in anyway so does anyone know why this would happen?

Those TOR users are becoming a bit surprised that they can be logged rather easily.
(maybe too busy watching porn lol)

All a website has to do is scan the TOR exit lists for IP's used, when a TOR user visits.

Doesn't readily identify them, but that is just the starting point.

It aint so anon any more.

andy06shake
I mean if it helps stop kiddie porn then im all for it, all through i strongly suspect there will be some ulterior motives involved.

The copyright lobby loves child porn and they have ulterior motives:

The Copyright Lobby Absolutely Loves Child Pornography

“Child pornography is great,” the man said enthusiastically. “Politicians do not understand file sharing, but they understand child pornography, and they want to filter that to score points with the public. Once we get them to filter child pornography, we can get them to extend the block to file sharing.”

I don't know the details of this deep web stuff but at least there is precedence for having ulterior motives when it comes to saying they are blocking child porn, maybe they are interested in blocking something else like free, anonymous speech?

Blocking the child porn I can understand, but blocking free speech and even file sharing is another issue which shouldn't be confused with child porn but that seems to be exactly the motive of the copyright lobby.

reply to post by andy06shake


A guy that lives across the street from my mom just got raided for kiddie porn about a week ago.I guess from what my mom told me,she used to talk to the guy regularly.She said she was VERY surprised to learn what he got busted for because he was such a nice guy.

I wonder if he used the deep web.


E.T.A...The strange thing about it is the raid never made our local newspaper.I live in a small town and this should have been front page.

reply to post by Dianec


Summerlightning/Dianec/Evil_Santa Thanks for bringing the publication date to my attention.

For some reason this article came up on my news feed yesterday marked 8/11/2013. As has been pointed out the actual date of publication was sometime in August this year.

So nothing to see here i'm afraid, the Silk Road 2.0 is most lightly still up and running.

My bad, oops! LoL

ItCameFromOuterSpace
Dang. A lot of people here that want to kill other people. What a lot of hypocrites.

I don't see any hypocrisy. Unless you are accusing everyone on here of being a paedophile?

Beyond that, rather than killing all the paedos, perhaps you'd be open to the idea of you living on an island with all of them after they've been captured....since, y'know, we'd all be hypocrites to murder such "precious" souls. You could be their warden-slash-caretaker. What fun for you.

Think before you post.

reply to post by Dianec


Then you might have a virus on your iPad. You can't get to these kiddy porn sites without having an active connection to TOR, which requires specialized software to create an additional layer on your system. These hidden sites are hidden from the normal internet and operate on the .onion domain which requires TOR to resolve.

So, your whole argument about "think about the children" for being against TOR and anonymous internet is weak at best because TOR isn't the reason why your iPad has porn. It has porn because either ATS is spreading malware (again) or you picked up malware from another location.

Hendrick99

ItCameFromOuterSpace
Dang. A lot of people here that want to kill other people. What a lot of hypocrites.

I don't see any hypocrisy. Unless you are accusing everyone on here of being a paedophile?

Beyond that, rather than killing all the paedos, perhaps you'd be open to the idea of you living on an island with all of them after they've been captured....since, y'know, we'd all be hypocrites to murder such "precious" souls. You could be their warden-slash-caretaker. What fun for you.

Think before you post.

Give me $50 million dollars, an island and a team of 20 neurofeedback therapists/researchers and you have a deal.

Edit: The $50 million can be transfered from current funds used to incarcerate pedophiles.

I can't see how this all still happening.. With current tech and smart coders out there, this should all traced and killed by now.

andy06shake
reply to post by seeker1963

 

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What's NOT GOOD is taking away people's right to anonymity by claiming child pornography is involved. And its an "old chestnut" that has been used on numerous occasions by TPTB, throughout recorded history to colour and sway opinions.

I, too, get an uneasy feeling about this - classically, these perps have hundreds or thousands of images; but occasionally, I see arrests for people having '1' or '2' pics - doesn't really sound right, and these make me wonder if something else might be afoot there - for example, imagine the damage a psycho ex could do you with access to your computer ...

Anyway, as to "anonymity", I think that's mostly a good thing. But I'm afraid with the amount of financial damage caused by id thieves, fraudsters, etc, I see things going in the opposite direction. As usual, the relatively few scumbags ruining things for everyone else ...

The deep Web is still there and silkroad 2.0. Is rolling in the Bitcoins
As for CP it is the Internet the hidden Internet at that and most of the CP comes from other countries where rules are lax or no body gives a crap. I have been to the deep Web and seen things I cannot unsee now.... Violence and Porn go hand in hand on the dark side.

What to do with people who abuse children sexually? Throw them in jail, but that won't help the mental illness they are suffering from and apon release they will be angry at the system and repeat the offense in a endless loop.
If we treat these people like humans for a minute and help solve the mental issue of being sexually attracted to young children maybe just maybe we can be rid of this whole disgusting topic once and for all.

Saying hang them or kill them all is not how we should be dealing with human issues in the 21st. Century. IMHO.

According to my googling they need the user to have an already out of date version of Tor Browser Bundle and JavaScript must be enabled for it to work. So those who took basic precautions were not caught by this.

Snowden leaks included a NSA presentation about tor where some ways of revealing real identities of tor users were discussed, however it also said that the NSA has not managed to compromise the security of tor network.

rt.com...

So for all intents and purposes (maybe unless you are a major terrorist and they invest lots of resources to get you) tor seems to be secure if you take some basic precautions.

reply to post by Evil_Santa


It was not child pornography. That would have had me driving to the FBI to give them the ipad. It was just "regular porn" (woman being tied up I believe but clicked back button too quick - for sure not a child though). I guess it's time to take the device to a specialist to scan for a virus. Thanks for your help.

Agent008
The deep Web is still there and silkroad 2.0. Is rolling in the Bitcoins
As for CP it is the Internet the hidden Internet at that and most of the CP comes from other countries where rules are lax or no body gives a crap. I have been to the deep Web and seen things I cannot unsee now.... Violence and Porn go hand in hand on the dark side.

What to do with people who abuse children sexually? Throw them in jail, but that won't help the mental illness they are suffering from and apon release they will be angry at the system and repeat the offense in a endless loop.
If we treat these people like humans for a minute and help solve the mental issue of being sexually attracted to young children maybe just maybe we can be rid of this whole disgusting topic once and for all.

Saying hang them or kill them all is not how we should be dealing with human issues in the 21st. Century. IMHO.

Sadly there is no cure for people who are attracted to children. It is like telling a straight man to be sexually attracted to other men or attempting to change their sexual orientation. That is the barrier professionals face. Add to that its addictive - think of how hard it is to treat alcohol and/or substance abuse disorders. There really is a lot working against a treatment for this.

Having said that - some recover. However, it is a one day at a time recovery and relapse is high. There needs to be a strong willingness and continual support. If they fall off the wagon, so to speak, they ruin a life. That is why this issue comes with dramatic solutions.

I've spent a fair number of hours on the Tor network, browsing the various auction-type sites and being amazed at the sheer quantity of illicit things to be had - from methamphetamine, raw opium, heroin.. in terms of drugs, imagine it and it's freely available, guns, explosives, assassins (with positive feedback from previous customers, no kidding). I once saw an M72 LAW rocket launcher, lightly used. Not once did I see anything to do with child pornography or sexual exploitation.

Then again, I stuck to mainly the well-known sites. My understanding is that it's all there, but I didn't go looking for it, and even on the dark web it's not out in your face.

Keep in mind that on P2P networks, like Limewire which was once enormously popular, something like half of all traffic had to do with child pornography. Pretty scary once you realize just how much of it is out there. Makes me feel sick to my stomach, but I wouldn't use that figure to demonize every Limewire user.

Like any normal person I despise pornography of this nature. But with that said, and with what many of us on ATS know, don't you think we should be careful about buying into ANYTHING the government says when it comes to our personal freedoms and rights? What I mean is that a person should be 100% certain that what the government says it is doing is actually the truth. It would not be the first time the government associated one thing with another thing, just to take both of those things away.

By claiming child pornography they could actually be attempting to crack down on anonymous browsing altogether. It is not possible to track this area of the web, and I'm sure that gets under their skin quite badly. So like I said, we should be careful. It is just like taking guns away by sensationalizing gun crimes, when the vast majority of gun owners are law-abiding citizens.

Tomorrow I will be upgrading to a fiber-optic Internet connection from my 1.5Mbps DSL, and have always wanted to donate bandwidth to the Tor network once I made the switch. I agree with their original philosophy regarding Internet anonymity and neutrality, and their original aims to provide unfiltered Internet access to restricted nations such as China, Libya and later Egypt.

However, with all the latest news media reports about Silk Road and child pornography on the 'Deep Web' I am having second thoughts. While my belief in anonymity and neutrality still holds paramount, I can't help but also now believe that there are far more users utilizing the Tor network for illegal and immoral purposes rather than more legitimate ones. So why would I support it?

I'm so damn conflicted. I was even contemplating running an exit node, but that is right out of the question; the possibility of a Tor relay is still open as of the time of me writing this, but the thought of potentially allowing a pedophile easier access to a hidden child pornography repository is quite unsettling to me.

reply to post by opethPA


I had never heard of the dark web until recently....and it was from a thread on here....so I went to it...I was completely baffled more that I didnt know anything about it. I went to several the main search links...instantly there was drug and child porn links everywhere. I thought the idea of searching and remaining annonymous would be nice but found everything ran slower and the fact is...someone else could be using your ip who was up to nefarious activities.....I never went back to it again.

I agree Kidde porn is bad stuff, anyone caught hurting children in anyway should be severely punished, or IMO a dirt nap party.

What is bad about the distribution of porn, is that some unsuspecting people's computers can/are used for storage.

Yes, trojans or exploits can be used to hack your very own computer, and it can become a small hub for distribution.

Always monitor your ports and incoming and outgoing traffic, times of day and times during the night when you think your computer maybe idle. This is a tell-tale sign.

I was hacked years ago, and watched the brain surgeon uploading files that were not illegal porn, but software apps. I am not up to par like I used to be, but I still do monitor my ports and traffic.

Anyone can frame anyone these days

reply to post by seeker1963


GOOD!

I second that.

I agree with everything you have written.

utter utter bastards, hope they rot in hell.

There is a charity part of world vision that instead of sponsoring a child, you can donate money every month that specifically deals with 'saving kids' and well I was sponsoring a child and paying 15 dollars p month and I got 4 thanks you's from different kids which confused me cos I was 'I don't sponsor a kid called that' etc and then I found out those 4 kids had been rescued from hell.